Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees

From	Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
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Subject	Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees
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On 7/9/24 10:24 AM, olcott wrote:
> On 7/9/2024 1:28 AM, Mikko wrote:
>> On 2024-07-08 23:45:16 +0000, olcott said:
>>
>>> On 7/8/2024 6:26 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>> On 7/8/24 9:04 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 7/8/2024 2:22 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-07-07 14:16:10 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _DDD()
>>>>>>> [00002172] 55               push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>>>>> [00002173] 8bec             mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>>>>>> [00002175] 6872210000       push 00002172 ; push DDD
>>>>>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff       call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
>>>>>>> [0000217f] 83c404           add esp,+04
>>>>>>> [00002182] 5d               pop ebp
>>>>>>> [00002183] c3               ret
>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sufficient knowledge of the x86 language conclusively proves
>>>>>>> that the call from DDD correctly emulated by HHH to HHH(DDD)
>>>>>>> cannot possibly return for any pure function HHH.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Suffifcient knowledge of the x86 language makes obvious that
>>>>>> DDD returns if and only if HHH returns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That is insufficient knowledge. Sufficient knowledge proves that
>>>>> DDD correctly simulated by HHH meets this criteria.
>>>>
>>>> Nope, YOU have the insufficent knowledge, since you don't understand 
>>>> that the x86 language says programs are deterministic, and their 
>>>> behavior is fully establish when they are written, and running or 
>>>> simulating them is only a way to observe that behavior, and the only 
>>>> CORRECT observation of all the behavior, so letting that operation 
>>>> reach its final state.
>>>>
>>>
>>> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>>      If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
>>>      until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never
>>>      stop running unless aborted then
>>>
>>>      H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
>>>      specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
>>> </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>>
>>> *Ben agrees that the "if" statement has been met*
>>
>> How is that relevant? Even if he did, you can't prove that he was not
>> mistaken. If you could. you wouldn't need to mention him.
>>
>>> *Ben agrees that the "if" statement has been met*
>>> *Ben agrees that the "if" statement has been met*
>>>
>>> On 10/14/2022 7:44 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>  > I don't think that is the shell game.  PO really /has/ an H (it's
>>>  > trivial to do for this one case) that correctly determines that P(P)
>>>  > *would* never stop running *unless* aborted.
>>> ...
>>>  > But H determines (correctly) that D would not halt if it were not
>>>  > halted.  That much is a truism.
>>>
>>> *Ben fails to understand this*
>>> If HHH reported that it did not need to abort DDD
>>> before it aborted DDD then HHH would be lying.
>>
>> If he fails to understand one thing you should not assume that
>> he does understand another thing.
>>
> 
> Ben proves that he agrees that the If part of the Professor
> Sipser approved criteria has been met when he paraphrases
> this into his own words:

Nope, he agreed that based on YOUR definiton of the words (and not the 
conventional one that Professor Sipser uses) that your H is a correct 
POOP decider (since what it decides is NOT "Halting" but some strange 
concept of "Needed to abort" based on things being able to be things 
they are not).

> 
> On 10/14/2022 7:44 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>  > But H determines (correctly) that D would not halt
>  > if it were not halted.  That much is a truism.
> 
> *Here is the part that Ben fails to understand*
> *I have never explained this issue to Ben this clearly before*
> Ben seems to believe that HHH must report that it need not
> abort its emulation of DDD because AFTER HHH has already
> aborted this emulation DDD does not need to be aborted.
> 

Right, To be a Halt Decider, HHH must report on the actual behavior of 
the direct execution of the input, and if that halts, then H didn't 
actually need to have done the abort it did. If you changed H to not 
abort, and built D by the actual rules so it still had its copy of the 
original H, you would see that the non-aborting H' would be able to 
simulate the D calling the aborting H would have the aborting H return 
to it and it halts.

Thus, H really didn't need to abort, but only because it did. You 
created the paradox by not using the right computation model, as your H 
and P are not actualy seperate computations as needed.

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Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-07 09:16 -0500
  Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-07 13:28 -0400
    Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 10:10 -0500
      Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-09 22:52 -0400
  Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-08 10:22 +0300
    Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-08 08:04 -0500
      Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-08 19:26 -0400
        Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-08 18:45 -0500
          Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-08 19:59 -0400
            Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-08 19:21 -0500
              Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-08 20:31 -0400
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-08 19:47 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-08 21:27 -0400
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-08 20:37 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-08 21:53 -0400
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-08 21:01 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees to something different. Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-08 22:11 -0400
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben proves that he agrees to my meanings olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-08 21:42 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben proves that he agrees to my meanings Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-08 22:59 -0400
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben proves that he agrees to my meanings olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-08 23:22 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben proves that he agrees to my meanings Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-09 07:29 -0400
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben proves that he agrees to my meanings olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 09:40 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben proves that he agrees to my meanings Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-09 22:52 -0400
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-08 19:51 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-08 21:30 -0400
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-08 20:38 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-08 21:53 -0400
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-08 21:00 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-08 22:08 -0400
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-09 09:35 +0300
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-09 07:29 -0400
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-10 10:42 +0300
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-10 07:24 -0400
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-11 10:14 +0300
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-10 08:48 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-10 20:01 -0400
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-11 10:15 +0300
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-11 09:44 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-08 20:23 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-08 22:01 -0400
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-08 21:06 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-08 22:13 -0400
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-08 21:44 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-08 22:59 -0400
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-08 23:01 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-09 07:29 -0400
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 09:44 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-09 22:52 -0400
          Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-09 09:28 +0300
            Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 09:24 -0500
              Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-09 22:52 -0400
              Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-10 10:27 +0300
      Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-09 09:22 +0300
        Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 09:19 -0500
          Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-09 16:38 +0200
            Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 09:46 -0500
              Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-09 17:21 +0200
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 11:44 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-09 18:51 +0200
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 12:02 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-09 18:55 +0000
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-09 22:31 +0200
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 16:18 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-10 04:01 +0000
                DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 23:19 -0500
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-10 13:27 +0000
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-10 08:41 -0500
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-10 20:01 -0400
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-10 19:24 -0500
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt, thinks olcott, but it does. Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-10 20:37 -0400
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt, thinks olcott, but it does. olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-10 20:01 -0500
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt, thinks olcott, but it does. Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-10 21:11 -0400
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-10 20:21 -0500
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-10 21:50 -0400
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-11 09:51 -0500
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-11 22:08 -0400
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-11 21:28 -0500
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-11 23:18 -0400
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-11 22:30 -0500
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-12 08:05 +0000
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-12 07:08 -0500
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-12 15:02 +0200
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-12 09:51 -0500
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-12 22:36 +0200
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-13 11:04 +0300
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-12 19:10 -0400
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-13 23:00 +0000
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-13 18:12 -0500
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-13 19:42 -0400
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt Because HHH that correctly simulates does not Halt Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-12 07:15 -0400
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-12 07:28 -0500
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-12 15:18 +0200
                Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-12 13:41 +0000
                Re: DDD correctly but partially emulated by HHH cannot possibly be seen to halt by HHH, but do halt Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-12 19:23 -0400
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-10 09:13 +0200
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-10 07:37 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-10 16:09 +0200
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-10 09:16 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-10 16:41 +0200
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-10 09:53 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-10 19:38 +0200
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-10 12:41 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-10 20:19 +0200
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-11 10:22 +0300
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-11 09:49 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-11 22:08 -0400
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-12 12:08 +0300
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-12 08:35 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-13 11:12 +0300
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-13 07:44 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-14 11:37 +0300
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters -- Professor Hehner olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-14 10:02 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters -- Professor Hehner Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-14 17:41 -0400
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters -- Professor Hehner Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-15 10:25 +0300
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters -- Professor Hehner olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-15 08:07 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters -- Professor Hehner Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-16 09:54 +0300
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-12 12:01 +0200
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-12 07:33 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-12 14:53 +0200
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-12 08:45 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-12 13:57 +0000
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-12 16:42 +0200
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-12 13:43 +0000
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters ---clarification olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 16:22 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- one more freaking time olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 16:25 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-09 22:52 -0400
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-09 18:50 +0000
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 14:09 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 14:26 -0500
                Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-09 22:52 -0400
              Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-09 22:52 -0400
          Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-09 22:52 -0400
          Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-10 10:36 +0300

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