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Re: Stationary Points in Space

Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Date 2022-04-24 11:24 -0700
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Subject Re: Stationary Points in Space
From Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com>

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On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 12:42:54 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 4/24/2022 10:56 AM, Ed Lake wrote: 
> > On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 4:40:29 PM UTC-5, Stan Fultoni wrote: 
> >> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 1:35:27 PM UTC-7, wrote: 
> >>> If light moved at the same speed in all directions away from that point, 
> >>> and if we can pinpoint that location because a star in Andromeda was 
> >>> there 2,537,000 years ago, that point cannot be moving. 
> >> The problem with your reasoning is that light moves at the same speed in all 
> >> directions in terms of _every_ inertial reference system, so this doesn't enable 
> >> you to distinguish which reference system is the absolute rest system, which 
> >> is what you would need to declare that a supernova in Andromeda a million 
> >> years ago occurred at "this particular point in space". 
> > 
> > The problem with your reasoning is exactly what Einstein meant when he said, 
> > "As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far 
> > as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."
> Out of context.

Nope.  It is exactly on point.

> > 
> > I'm talking about reality. You are talking mathematics. When I look through a 
> > telescope at Andromeda, there is no other "reference system."
> There are an infinite number of reference frames. In this case, you are 
> using a reference frame in which you are stationary and Andromeda is 
> moving. The reality you see from where you are. Of course everyone on 
> earth will see almost the exact same thing as you when observing 
> Andromeda. It is equally valid, however, to use a frame where Andromeda 
> is stationary and you are moving. An observer in Andromeda would use 
> such a frame.

I DON"T CARE about what an Observer in Andromeda would see.  It has NOTHING
to do with the question.  The question is:  Did the light that I see come from
a STATIONARY POINT IN SPACE?

> > I am just trying 
> > to understand what I see.
> From your own reference frame. 100% understandable.
> > And I see photons coming from a point in space that 
> > I know is now empty, but Andromeda was at that point two and a half million 
> > years ago.
> And here, you have subconsciously done the mathematics of physics to see 
> how far Andromeda has moved in those 2 1/2 million years to conclude 
> Andromeda is no longer where you see Andromeda. So, from your reference 
> frame, that point is not in Andromeda, but somewhere "behind" Andromeda. 

I didn't do any mathematics.  I read in a book what astronomers had observed
and calculated.  I have no reason to question their mathematics.

> 
> From an observer in Andromeda, using himself as stationary in a frame, 
> ..... yada yada yada.

I DON"T GIVE A DAMN WHAT AN OBSERVER IN ANDROMEDA SEES!!!!!
I'm just trying to understand what I see.

> > Logically, the point of origin for those photons were stationary points 
> > in space. The points didn't move when Andromeda moved.
> Only from your reference. 

Yes.  And that is ALL I am interested in.

> First of all, that paragraph is pure physics and reality, not math. 
> Second, there is a whole universe out there making observations. 

WHO CARES?????  I don't!

> 
> Like it or not, physics is full of mathematics, even if you are not 
> aware of it. Indirectly, you used mathematics subconsciously to figure 
> out how far Andromeda moved in 2.5 million years and concluded that the 
> point is no longer located within Andromeda.

Right.  I let someone else do the math.  All I am wondering about is the
implications of that math.  The implication is that the light I see came
from STATIONARY POINTS IN SPACE.

Ed

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Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-23 13:35 -0700
  Re: Stationary Points in Space Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-04-23 14:31 -0700
  Re: Stationary Points in Space Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-04-23 14:40 -0700
    Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-24 07:56 -0700
      Re: Stationary Points in Space Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-04-24 09:06 -0700
        Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-24 11:12 -0700
          Re: Stationary Points in Space Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-04-24 12:11 -0700
            Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-24 13:14 -0700
              Re: Stationary Points in Space Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-04-24 22:29 +0200
              Re: Stationary Points in Space Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-04-24 13:43 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-25 08:26 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-25 16:25 +0000
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-25 13:59 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-25 21:45 +0000
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-26 07:49 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-26 16:04 +0000
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-26 09:43 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-04-26 09:56 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-26 10:05 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-26 17:18 +0000
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-26 13:37 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-26 21:10 +0000
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-27 07:02 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 14:26 +0000
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-27 09:15 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 17:32 +0000
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-26 23:20 -0400
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-27 08:21 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-27 13:26 -0400
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2022-04-26 12:45 -0500
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-04-26 11:47 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-26 17:18 +0000
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-26 13:27 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-26 21:01 +0000
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2022-04-25 20:36 -0500
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-26 08:45 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-04-26 13:00 -0500
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-26 19:16 +0000
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-26 23:38 -0400
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-27 08:39 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 16:45 +0000
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-27 10:22 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 17:48 +0000
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-27 12:52 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2022-04-27 14:20 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-27 14:36 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2022-04-27 15:22 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-04-28 01:36 +0200
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 21:49 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 16:44 +0000
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-28 07:40 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 14:56 +0000
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2022-04-28 12:11 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 16:28 +0000
                Re: Stationary Points in Space The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-28 11:23 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 20:26 +0000
                Re: Stationary Points in Space The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-28 15:01 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 22:26 +0000
                Re: Stationary Points in Space The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-28 16:09 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-28 17:01 -0700
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                Re: Stationary Points in Space Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2022-04-29 10:06 -0700
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                Re: Stationary Points in Space The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-30 12:12 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-30 14:39 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-27 20:01 -0400
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                Re: Stationary Points in Space Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-25 22:00 +0000
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                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-26 08:14 -0700
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                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-27 08:14 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-04-27 18:58 +0300
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-27 09:30 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-04-28 15:58 +0300
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ed Lake <detect@outlook.com> - 2022-04-28 07:52 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-27 14:36 -0400
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                Re: Stationary Points in Space Ufonaut <ufonaut9@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 17:25 -0700
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                Re: Stationary Points in Space Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2022-04-25 09:46 -0700
                Re: Stationary Points in Space Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-25 10:00 -0700
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