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| Subject | Re: COBOL and tricks |
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| From | "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> |
| Date | 2022-07-27 21:37 -0400 |
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Cross-posted to 2 groups.
On 7/25/22 7:37 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: > On 2022-07-24 00:23, Peter Flass wrote: > > 25B.Z959 <25B.Z959@nada.net> wrote: > >> Sometimes that IS a factor ... you have to have people who > >> can write it. But 1990 ... IMHO it should have been 'C'. > >> > > > > IMNSHO, COBOL. C is a terrible language for those types of language. > Things > > that are so dimple in COBOL, like moving a character string with blank > > fill, or formatting numeric output, requires calling subroutines in > C, and > > lack of length checking on string moves is a recipe for disaster. > This is one of the weirder arguments I've ever seen: > "requires calling a subroutine in C". As if that somehow is a problem? > Not to mention it's a function, and not a subroutine. Any claim of "used > the language quite a bit" sounds hollow after that. > > A statement to move a character string in COBOL will in the end be a > subroutine call as well. > > And lack of length checking depends on the function. Nothing prevents > you from using strncpy in C. Or write your own, with whatever > characteristic you want. It will actually be pretty efficient. > Comparable to the provided functions. > > > I have used both languages quite a bit, perhaps COBOL more, years > ago, but > > neither is my preferred language, so I have no dog in this fight. > > … > Seems like your C is both rusty and bad. > > >> Mostly I like "terse" languages - less typing and lots > >> of room left over for comments at the ends of the lines. > > > > Sounds like assembler ;-) > > > > It’s too easy to write tricky code with side-effects in C. COBOL > might not > > be as self-documenting as advertised, but the operation of each > statement > > is pretty obvious and easily understood. > What kind of side effects are we talking about? The operation of each > statement in C is very obvious and easy to understand. > Most people get into trouble because of memory handling. Not the > language semantics. > But that is where you get to the point where things gets even harder to > even do in COBOL. And if you manage to do it, it won't be easily > understood. Consider "print x" ... those of us that go back some years will acutely recognize how "print x" stands atop a veritable Everest of subroutines, device abstractors, drivers for display controllers ......... CPUs don't *have* a "print x". Long long back I was writing something akin to 'Notepad' for the first IBM-PCs (this was in the days of 'edlin' and the "A>" prompt) with MASM. Now I had (and still have) the IBM-PC TECHNICAL REFERENCE MANUAL and it was only there where all the ROM-BIOS calls were described in detail. You could "print x" ... but it took some BIOS calls to actually push it out to the screen. OR - you could poke values directly into the display buffer ... preferably during the blanking inverval. Depending on WHAT you need to do, COBOL can be great, or just awful, perhaps even unusable. Whatever it is you CAN do it in 'C' ... but it might take so MUCH 'C' that you never actually dare begin. In short, no 'perfect' all-purpose solutions. Be a bit versatile or you'll never get it done. All the talk about COBOL ... I've installed the OpenCOBOL IDE and am gonna re-learn the language to some degree :-)
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Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-08-01 14:15 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-01 19:47 +0100
Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-08-01 15:58 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-01 18:53 +0000
Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 20:41 +0100
Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 12:22 -0700
Re: COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-01 15:08 +0000
Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-01 17:31 +0100
Re: COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-01 17:05 +0000
Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 12:22 -0700
Re: COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-08-02 11:05 -0500
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 01:05 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-08-02 11:12 -0500
Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-02 09:29 -0700
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-03 00:42 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-02 23:47 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-02 09:23 -0700
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-03 00:51 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 12:22 -0700
Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 20:48 +0100
Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 19:11 -0700
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 01:54 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-26 13:49 -0700
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-27 22:48 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-27 21:37 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-28 13:02 +0000
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-28 23:40 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-29 15:54 +0000
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-31 23:47 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2022-07-29 17:02 -0500
Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-28 12:13 -0700
Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-28 19:49 +0000
Re: ancient I/O, was COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-29 18:37 +0000
Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-28 16:35 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-28 17:52 -0700
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-29 00:23 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks cb@elaine.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2022-07-29 09:15 +0000
Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-29 08:13 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-29 23:57 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-30 08:13 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-30 15:04 +0000
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 21:07 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-07-31 12:55 -0500
Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-31 19:32 +0100
Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-07-31 19:13 +0000
Re: COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-07-31 19:17 +0000
Re: COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-07-31 16:45 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-01 00:38 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 08:09 +0100
Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-01 11:02 +0100
Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 12:02 +0100
Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-01 17:35 +0100
Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-01 18:06 +0000
Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 19:05 +0100
Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 12:22 -0700
Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 20:35 +0100
Re: boot me, COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-01 21:10 +0000
Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-01 18:53 +0000
Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 12:22 -0700
Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 20:37 +0100
Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-02 09:39 +0100
Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-02 17:05 +0000
Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-03 01:05 -0400
Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-08-03 11:51 -0500
Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 22:11 -0400
Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-05 06:52 +0100
Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-06 00:30 -0400
Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-07 22:36 +0000
Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-07 20:27 -0400
Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-08 06:09 +0000
Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2022-08-13 14:53 -0400
Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-13 19:44 +0000
Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2022-08-13 16:51 -0400
Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-14 14:34 +0000
Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-01 08:19 +0100
Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-01 14:00 +0000
Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-01 14:46 +0000
Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-29 08:09 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-29 00:00 -0400
Re: different languages, was COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-29 18:55 +0000
Re: different languages, was COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 00:53 -0400
Re: different languages, was COBOL and tricks Timothy McCaffrey <timcaffrey420@gmail.com> - 2022-08-04 07:52 -0700
Re: different languages, was COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-04 17:00 +0000
Re: COBOL and tricks drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2022-07-29 16:41 -0500
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 01:03 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-30 08:16 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 19:50 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-30 14:56 +0000
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 20:35 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-31 21:51 +0100
Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-31 21:26 +0000
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 02:07 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-02 14:30 +0000
Re: COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-08-02 15:09 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-03 01:07 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-03 13:41 +0000
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 01:31 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-04 06:27 +0000
Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-04 08:23 -0700
Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-04 18:05 +0100
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 23:35 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-05 16:45 +0000
Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-05 21:50 +0100
Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-06 02:21 +0100
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 23:29 -0400
Re: cars and COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-05 03:33 +0000
Re: cars and COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-05 14:05 +0000
Re: cars and COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-05 16:01 +0000
Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-05 16:45 +0000
Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-08-05 13:13 -0400
Re: cars and COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-05 19:14 +0000
Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-08-05 23:20 -0400
Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-05 21:40 +0000
Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Ibmekon <Ibmekon@google.com> - 2022-08-05 23:35 +0100
Re: cars and COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-05 17:51 -0500
Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Ibmekon <Ibmekon@google.com> - 2022-08-06 00:30 +0100
Re: cars and COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-06 13:32 -0500
Re: cars and COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-06 07:06 +0000
Re: cars and COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-06 06:56 +0000
Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Ibmekon <Ibmekon@google.com> - 2022-08-06 17:39 +0100
Re: cars and COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-06 13:30 -0500
Re: cars and COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-05 19:12 +0000
Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-05 21:03 +0100
Re: cars and COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-05 21:45 -0400
Re: cars and COBOL and tricks J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2022-08-13 14:58 -0400
Re: cars and COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-06 02:19 +0100
Re: cars and COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-05 21:44 -0400
Re: cars and COBOL and tricks J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2022-08-13 15:03 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-06 02:15 +0100
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 01:03 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-28 23:43 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-29 15:23 -0700
Re: old firms, was COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-29 22:58 +0000
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 01:04 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-06 00:06 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 00:32 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-02 09:23 -0700
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 00:46 -0400
Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-04 10:34 +0100
Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 11:07 -0400
Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-20 11:42 +0100
Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-20 10:04 -0700
Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-20 17:16 +0000
Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-25 00:23 -0400
Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-25 05:45 +0000
Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 02:46 -0400
Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-26 20:43 +0000
Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2022-07-20 18:43 -0400
Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-21 06:01 +0100
Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-21 17:42 +0000
Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-21 19:52 +0100
Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2022-07-20 18:41 -0400
Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 23:19 -0400
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