Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers

From	Gard Spreemann <gspr@nonempty.org>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.devel
Subject	Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers
Date	2024-12-10 09:40 +0100
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Since several people seem to be sharing their experiences with
(undesirable) challenges in becoming a DD, I thought I'd add a point
that seemingly hasn't been covered yet:

The BTS is core to Debian. It is e-mail based. While I personally think
e-mail-based workflows can be quite nice, the BTS' asynchronous nature
did cause me a lot of extra pointless work when I was an outsider
attempting to learn the ropes. Being not 100% confident with the system,
I way too often found myself waiting minutes – as much as 10 or 15 – for
replies to simple operations. Not only because being assigned a bug
number is actually necessary in order to move on with some processes
like initial packaging, but also because of the mental toll that comes
from not knowing that a past operation successfully completed, and
worrying that I'd have to return to it.

Admittedly, I still feel like that at times, some six years later (a DD
for four).

I suspect that this highly asynchronous nature of the BTS significantly
puts off new contributors.

This is not meant as an argument against e-mail based systems (although
I do suspect that that is also a hindrance to some new
contributors). Nor is it meant to suggest that we need to embrace
instant gratification. We certainly should not – but it is not
unreasonable to expect to be able to see a syntax error in bug report
modification without waiting ten minutes.

Just my 0.1 monetary units.


 Best,
 Gard

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Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Robert Chéramy <robert@cheramy.net> - 2024-12-04 17:10 +0100
  Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-12-04 17:40 +0100
  Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2024-12-04 19:20 +0100
    Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Mechtilde Stehmann <mechtilde@debian.org> - 2024-12-04 20:10 +0100
    Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2024-12-06 12:40 +0100
      Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Antonio Terceiro <terceiro@debian.org> - 2024-12-08 18:20 +0100
    Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2024-12-09 18:50 +0100
  Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2024-12-05 09:40 +0100
    Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2024-12-05 22:00 +0100
  Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Gard Spreemann <gspr@nonempty.org> - 2024-12-10 09:40 +0100
    Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-12-10 10:00 +0100
      Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Gard Spreemann <gspr@nonempty.org> - 2024-12-10 10:50 +0100
        Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Alexandre Detiste <alexandre.detiste@gmail.com> - 2024-12-10 11:00 +0100
          Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-12-10 15:10 +0100
          Re: Bug tracker speed (was: Bits from DPL) Matthias Urlichs <matthias@urlichs.de> - 2024-12-11 15:30 +0100
      Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2024-12-10 11:20 +0100
    Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2024-12-10 14:00 +0100
      Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Gard Spreemann <gspr@nonempty.org> - 2024-12-10 15:00 +0100
    Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2024-12-11 04:20 +0100
      Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2024-12-11 12:40 +0100
        Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2024-12-11 13:00 +0100
          Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2024-12-11 13:30 +0100
            Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2024-12-11 13:30 +0100
              Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2024-12-11 15:30 +0100
                Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2024-12-11 16:10 +0100
                Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2024-12-12 14:40 +0100
                Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2024-12-21 03:20 +0100
            Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-12-11 13:50 +0100
              Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2024-12-11 14:00 +0100
                Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers sre4ever@free.fr - 2024-12-11 14:10 +0100
                Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2024-12-11 14:10 +0100
                Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Sune Vuorela <nospam@vuorela.dk> - 2024-12-11 14:40 +0100
                Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2024-12-11 15:10 +0100
                Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers sre4ever@free.fr - 2024-12-11 15:40 +0100
                Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Philipp Kern <pkern@debian.org> - 2024-12-11 15:50 +0100
                Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-12-11 16:10 +0100
                Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers sre4ever@free.fr - 2024-12-11 15:30 +0100
                Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2024-12-11 17:00 +0100
            Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2024-12-11 17:00 +0100
            Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> - 2024-12-18 20:50 +0100
              Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Ananthu C V <weepingclown@debian.org> - 2024-12-18 21:00 +0100
        Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Paul Gevers <elbrus@debian.org> - 2024-12-12 22:10 +0100
    Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Richard Lewis <richard.lewis.debian@googlemail.com> - 2024-12-12 00:10 +0100
      Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2024-12-12 03:10 +0100
        Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Tiago Bortoletto Vaz <tiago@debian.org> - 2024-12-15 01:50 +0100
          A better bts? - https://fabre.debian.net (was: Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers) Richard Lewis <richard.lewis.debian@googlemail.com> - 2024-12-15 20:30 +0100
            Re: A better bts? - https://fabre.debian.net Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2024-12-15 20:40 +0100
      Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2024-12-12 05:10 +0100
      Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2024-12-12 07:50 +0100
    Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2024-12-13 05:20 +0100
      Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2024-12-21 03:20 +0100

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