Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers

From	Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.devel
Subject	Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers
Date	2024-12-12 03:10 +0100
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Hi,

> > While I personally think e-mail-based workflows can be quite nice, the
> > BTS' asynchronous nature did cause me a lot of extra pointless work
> > when I was an outsider attempting to learn the ropes. Being not 100%
> > confident with the system, I way too often found myself waiting
> > minutes – as much as 10 or 15 – for replies to simple operations.
>
> agree with this. Also the noisy reply to every message is pretty
> unhelpful - even gmail cant work out what is being acknowledged
>
>
> I'd like to help improve the docuemntation, and suggest ways to make it
> less confusing to use, but the bts's own bug list makes me wonder if
> anyone would review

I submitted 4 years ago
https://salsa.debian.org/debbugs-team/debbugs/-/merge_requests/6,
which got some approving comments, but nobody merged it. Your time is
probably better used contributing to the Debian Developers Reference
or other docs.

Honestly, I suspect bugs.debian.org is intentionally cumbersome to use
to deter "noobies", and raise the bar for submission so high, that any
bug that actually gets filed is likely already well researched by a
Debian expert and half of the time comes with a patch attached.
Unfortunately it also leads to maintainers having to put more effort
in maintaining the bug reports as the barrier for contributors to help
out with bug triage etc way too high.

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Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Robert Chéramy <robert@cheramy.net> - 2024-12-04 17:10 +0100
  Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-12-04 17:40 +0100
  Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2024-12-04 19:20 +0100
    Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Mechtilde Stehmann <mechtilde@debian.org> - 2024-12-04 20:10 +0100
    Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2024-12-06 12:40 +0100
      Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Antonio Terceiro <terceiro@debian.org> - 2024-12-08 18:20 +0100
    Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2024-12-09 18:50 +0100
  Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2024-12-05 09:40 +0100
    Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2024-12-05 22:00 +0100
  Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Gard Spreemann <gspr@nonempty.org> - 2024-12-10 09:40 +0100
    Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-12-10 10:00 +0100
      Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Gard Spreemann <gspr@nonempty.org> - 2024-12-10 10:50 +0100
        Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Alexandre Detiste <alexandre.detiste@gmail.com> - 2024-12-10 11:00 +0100
          Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-12-10 15:10 +0100
          Re: Bug tracker speed (was: Bits from DPL) Matthias Urlichs <matthias@urlichs.de> - 2024-12-11 15:30 +0100
      Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2024-12-10 11:20 +0100
    Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2024-12-10 14:00 +0100
      Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Gard Spreemann <gspr@nonempty.org> - 2024-12-10 15:00 +0100
    Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2024-12-11 04:20 +0100
      Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2024-12-11 12:40 +0100
        Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2024-12-11 13:00 +0100
          Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2024-12-11 13:30 +0100
            Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2024-12-11 13:30 +0100
              Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2024-12-11 15:30 +0100
                Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2024-12-11 16:10 +0100
                Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2024-12-12 14:40 +0100
                Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2024-12-21 03:20 +0100
            Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-12-11 13:50 +0100
              Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2024-12-11 14:00 +0100
                Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers sre4ever@free.fr - 2024-12-11 14:10 +0100
                Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2024-12-11 14:10 +0100
                Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Sune Vuorela <nospam@vuorela.dk> - 2024-12-11 14:40 +0100
                Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2024-12-11 15:10 +0100
                Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers sre4ever@free.fr - 2024-12-11 15:40 +0100
                Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Philipp Kern <pkern@debian.org> - 2024-12-11 15:50 +0100
                Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-12-11 16:10 +0100
                Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers sre4ever@free.fr - 2024-12-11 15:30 +0100
                Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2024-12-11 17:00 +0100
                Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Salvo Tomaselli <ltworf@debian.org> - 2025-01-08 22:30 +0100
            Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2024-12-11 17:00 +0100
            Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> - 2024-12-18 20:50 +0100
              Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Ananthu C V <weepingclown@debian.org> - 2024-12-18 21:00 +0100
        Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Paul Gevers <elbrus@debian.org> - 2024-12-12 22:10 +0100
    Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Richard Lewis <richard.lewis.debian@googlemail.com> - 2024-12-12 00:10 +0100
      Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2024-12-12 03:10 +0100
        Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Tiago Bortoletto Vaz <tiago@debian.org> - 2024-12-15 01:50 +0100
          A better bts? - https://fabre.debian.net (was: Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers) Richard Lewis <richard.lewis.debian@googlemail.com> - 2024-12-15 20:30 +0100
            Re: A better bts? - https://fabre.debian.net Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2024-12-15 20:40 +0100
      Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2024-12-12 05:10 +0100
      Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2024-12-12 07:50 +0100
    Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2024-12-13 05:20 +0100
      Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2024-12-21 03:20 +0100

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