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Re: The build is ON

Date 2025-01-31 23:32 -0500
Subject Re: The build is ON
Newsgroups alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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On 1/31/25 21:09, Paul wrote:
> On Fri, 1/31/2025 4:11 PM, bad sector wrote:
>> I'm also posting about this on the asus rog forum as towbar.
>>
>> Yes, it's been about 12-15 years. I had to bury my younger son in the middle of this one, the same one with whom we did two identical builds that last time. Being more than a little scatter-brained I need a Department-of-Corrections addendum here:
>>
>> The power comes ON but the fans stop, i.e. a shutdown when the yellow Q-LED light illuminates. That's the second one from inboard and the manual just says "DRAM".  It took me MONTHS to get an OK from Asus about my ddr5 ECC cards being approved for this board, another month to actually get them.
>>
>> https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0BH95T7K7?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title
>>
>> I've reseated them several times, also tried just either one in slot-1 alone. They're otherwise in slots 2 & 4.
> 
> ( ASUS X870E ProArt Creator WiFi )
> 
> *******
> 
> The picture seems wrong to me.
> 
> https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0BH95T7K7?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title

Amazon vendors are almost as bad a alibaba ones for putting up wrong 
pictures. The description in the ad seems to be what I ordered

Kingston Server Premier 32GB 4800MT/s DDR5 ECC CL40 DIMM 2Rx8 Hynix M 
Server Memory - KSM48E40BD8KM-32HM

but what they delivered is KSM48E40BD8KI-32HA

Return initiated

What they sent me is shown by Kingston on that x870e ProArt _page_ under 
the Server-Premier tab as being _therefore_ compatible and

KSM48E40BD8KI-32HA (what they sent me)
DDR5 4800MT/s ECC Unbuffered DIMM CL40 2RX8 1.1V 288-pin 16Gbit Hynix A




The weird thing is that the KSM48E40BD8KM-32HM that I "ordered" is NOT 
on that page at all. So did I order a fake but got delivered two lesser 
but RealKingston cards?

And if these are OK for my board/CPU combo, the what's puttint that 
light on?


> *******
> 
> https://www.kingston.com/en/memory/search/model/110021/asus-proart-x870e-creator-wifi
> 
>     "This system supports ECC or non-ECC memory depending on which processor is installed.
> 
>      Mixing ECC and non-ECC modules is not recommended. Please refer to manual or
>      CPU specifications for additional information."


The one they sent me is also shown as CPU/Chipset compatible

*** AMD Ryzen 9 7000/8000/9000 Series AMD X870E ***

my CPU is an AMD ryzen 9 9900X


> *******
> 
> The Kingston part,
> 
> https://www.kingston.com/en/memory/search/discontinuedmodels?partid=KSM48E40BD8KM-32HM
> 
>      Part Number: KSM48E40BD8KM-32HM   Replaced by KSM48E40BD8KI-32HA   <=== not important at the moment
> 
>      https://www.kingston.com/datasheets/KSM48E40BD8KM-32HM.pdf
> 
>      The replacement:
> 
>      https://www.kingston.com/datasheets/KSM48E40BD8KI-32HA.pdf
> 
>      The difference between the two is A-die versus M-die of Hynix.
> 
> I got a picture of a 48GB stick. I was mainly interested in whether the
> chip markings are all the same (4x8+1x4 as a part of a 72-bit scheme
> versus 5x8 used on 80-bit setups).
> 
>     KSM56E46BD8KM-48HM
> 
>     https://www.ebay.com/itm/204907615991
> 
>         https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/8doAAOSwxLVmvqWS/s-l1600.png

Here's the one that they sent me:

https://trixtar.org/temp-pub-buffer/badram.png

NB. I don't fucking believe it!  A do-not-remove sticker
right ON the chips that need cooling. Is there a special
oriental version of the Darwin award?





> *******
> 
> Summary:
> 
> 1) Check CPU spec is for the ECC ones.

as far as thge Kingston page and what I was delivered yes


> 2) Check the Asus Support page for the tested memory table.
>     See if the tested memory table includes mention of the CPU model used to test.
>     If CPU model is never mentioned, then their ECC results (that is, if any are offered),
>     are not valid without the CPU info as some sort of "hint" the combo worked.

On the Asus Ryzen 9 page @
https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/proart/proart-x870e-creator-wifi/helpdesk_qvl_memory?model2Name=ProArt-X870E-CREATOR-WIFI

There are only 4 Kingstons shown; they all begin with KF and they're all 
2x16gb

So what gives with the conflict with the also Asus mobo page above?



> 3) When going out on a limb like this, *always* buy a single stick
>     of the smallest capacity regular UDIMM (in this case NOT AN ECC),
>     as test materials for your motherboard verification. This gives you
>     materials for checking the end two slots (one channel at a time) for
>     successful channel or slot operation.

I've never seen such shit in my life!  You have to write a freakin' 
thesis to find a compatible ram card?


> Since you got a DRAM code, via the handy state LEDs, even without
> a SPKR connected, we know it's a-beeping right now, and it's
> not happy. This means either the BIOS code is too old for the CPU
> (check Support page for the CPUSupport document and verify versus
> whatever visible info is offered on the mobo). Or, there is some
> error in the knowledge about what an AMD CPU supports for ECC sticks.
> 
> The amd.com site, you may need to do a site search in Google:
> 
>     site:amd.com   xxxx CPU
> 
> and try to get to their spec page. At one time, you could trace down
> all sorts of useful stuff there, like a PDF for a bulldozer, but
> the info today is a lot harder to find.
> 
>    Paul

It doesn't look good. I'll send these ones TOO back for now.
The horror show has been going on since August.

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