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Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there?

From Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.sys.pdp11
Subject Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there?
Date 2024-11-12 20:09 -0800
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Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes:
> There is no relation between the various Lisp implementations (really
> ports) of the Emacs style of editor and the original TECO based
> implementation, any more than there is with the Algol implementation
> AMIS, but they are hardly toys.

I think Robin Haberkorn was referring to retro-ish implementations of
TECO that were written in Emacs Lisp, not the other way around.  The
claim was that those are probably toy versions of TECO, not that either
the original ITS Emacs or the later GNU Emacs were toy versions of
Emacs.

I think the early versions of TECO were designed for use predominantly
with quite slow printing terminals (10 cps Teletypes or even slower),
and its command set grew around that.  You would enter a long editing
command specifying a complicate sequence of edits and cursor motions,
and TECO would execute them without having to noisily and slowly retype
the lines being edited.  The Unix editor "ed" was sort of ok with a 30
cps printing terminal and reasonably nice with 120 cps.  But it would
have been painful at 10 cps because of retyping the line so often.

TECO of course later grew screen editing features and morphed into an
implementation language for editors, most notably ITS Emacs and its
later Twenex port.

I remember becoming somewhat adept at using TECO under TOPS-10, so the
PDP-11 version that I mentioned was of some interest to me.  But I think
not that many people want to edit directly with TECO these days.

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Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Robin Haberkorn <robin.haberkorn@googlemail.com> - 2024-11-12 16:50 +0300
  Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2024-11-12 08:03 -0800
    Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Robin Haberkorn <robin.haberkorn@googlemail.com> - 2024-11-12 20:49 +0300
      Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-11-12 20:02 +0000
      Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2024-11-12 12:47 -0800
      Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-14 22:20 +0000
        Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-11-14 23:50 +0000
  Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-11-12 15:55 -0500
    Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2024-11-12 20:09 -0800
      Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Robin Haberkorn <robin.haberkorn@googlemail.com> - 2024-11-13 11:30 +0300
        Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2024-11-13 10:25 -0800
        Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-11-13 14:36 -0500
          Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2024-11-13 15:12 -0800
            Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2024-11-14 06:29 +0000
          Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-14 22:24 +0000
      Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Robin Haberkorn <robin.haberkorn@googlemail.com> - 2024-11-13 11:46 +0300
      Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-11-13 09:00 +0000
        Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-11-13 15:30 +0000
        Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2024-11-13 10:29 -0800
    Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Robin Haberkorn <robin.haberkorn@googlemail.com> - 2024-11-13 10:31 +0300
      Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2024-11-13 19:11 +0000
    Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Robin Haberkorn <robin.haberkorn@googlemail.com> - 2024-11-16 10:00 +0300
    Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2024-12-02 23:58 +0100
      Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-12-03 16:38 -0500
        Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2024-12-04 08:24 +0000
        Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2024-12-04 17:48 +0100
          Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2024-12-04 18:36 +0000
            Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-01-08 17:19 +0100
              Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2025-01-09 08:29 +0000
  Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2024-11-13 14:28 +0000
    Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Robin Haberkorn <robin.haberkorn@googlemail.com> - 2024-11-14 09:44 +0300
      Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2024-11-14 07:03 +0000
        Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Robin Haberkorn <robin.haberkorn@googlemail.com> - 2024-11-14 10:34 +0300
          Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2024-11-14 08:05 +0000
            Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2024-11-14 08:25 +0000
              Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Robin Haberkorn <robin.haberkorn@googlemail.com> - 2024-11-14 17:42 +0300
            Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Robin Haberkorn <robin.haberkorn@googlemail.com> - 2024-11-14 17:09 +0300
              Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2024-11-16 15:37 +0000
              Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2024-12-03 00:07 +0100
                Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Robin Haberkorn <robin.haberkorn@googlemail.com> - 2024-12-03 18:55 +0300
                Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2024-12-04 17:45 +0100
          Re: Interactive Development (was Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there?) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-14 22:19 +0000
            Re: Interactive Development (was Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there?) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-11-14 14:34 -0800
              Re: Interactive Development (was Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there?) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-15 00:03 +0000
            Re: Interactive Development (was Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there?) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2024-11-14 16:23 -0800
              Re: Interactive Development (was Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there?) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-15 01:52 +0000
            Re: Interactive Development (was Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there?) Robin Haberkorn <robin.haberkorn@googlemail.com> - 2024-11-15 16:26 +0300
              Re: Interactive Development (was Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there?) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2024-11-15 11:25 -0800
                Re: Interactive Development (was Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there?) Robin Haberkorn <robin.haberkorn@googlemail.com> - 2024-11-16 04:47 +0300
              Re: Interactive Development (was Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there?) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-15 22:13 +0000
                Re: Interactive Development (was Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there?) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-11-15 15:08 -0800
                Re: Interactive Development (was Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there?) Robin Haberkorn <robin.haberkorn@googlemail.com> - 2024-11-16 05:11 +0300
                Re: Interactive Development (was Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there?) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-16 03:28 +0000
                Re: Interactive Development (was Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there?) Robin Haberkorn <robin.haberkorn@googlemail.com> - 2024-11-16 10:33 +0300
                Re: Interactive Development (was Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there?) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-16 21:53 +0000
    Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2024-11-14 06:51 +0000
      Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Robin Haberkorn <robin.haberkorn@googlemail.com> - 2024-11-14 10:35 +0300
        Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2024-11-14 07:56 +0000
        Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-14 22:26 +0000
          Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2024-11-15 07:24 +0000
  Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Robin Haberkorn <robin.haberkorn@googlemail.com> - 2024-11-14 10:14 +0300
    Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2024-11-14 07:55 +0000
  Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-14 22:11 +0000
    Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-11-15 01:40 +0100
      Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-15 01:56 +0000
        Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-11-15 14:28 +0100
          Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-15 21:58 +0000
            Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-11-16 01:18 +0100
              Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-11-15 15:21 -1000
              Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-16 01:52 +0000
                Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-11-16 03:03 +0100
                Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-16 03:33 +0000
                Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-11-16 15:14 +0000
                Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-11-16 22:21 +0000
                Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? "John H. Reinhardt" <johnhreinhardt@thereinhardts.org> - 2024-11-16 18:01 -0600
                Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-11-17 18:12 +0000
                Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-11-17 18:57 +0000
                Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-11-16 21:05 +0100
    Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Robin Haberkorn <robin.haberkorn@googlemail.com> - 2024-11-15 15:49 +0300
      Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Robin Haberkorn <robin.haberkorn@googlemail.com> - 2024-11-15 16:51 +0300
        Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-15 22:01 +0000
          Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2024-11-15 15:41 -0800
            Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-11-16 22:32 +0000
          Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Robin Haberkorn <robin.haberkorn@googlemail.com> - 2024-11-16 05:03 +0300
            Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-16 03:35 +0000
              Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Robin Haberkorn <robin.haberkorn@googlemail.com> - 2024-11-16 10:20 +0300
      Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-15 22:10 +0000
        Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Robin Haberkorn <robin.haberkorn@googlemail.com> - 2024-11-16 05:09 +0300
          Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-16 03:40 +0000
  Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-11-18 16:57 -0500
    Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2024-11-19 14:26 +0000
      Re: Any interesting PDP/TECO photos out there? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-11-19 11:51 -0500

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