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Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search

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Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> writes:

> On 24-Jan-25 3:33 am, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-01-21, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>>>>> Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> writes:
>>   >>> How is this going to '"better protect" Google Search against
>>   >>> malicious activity, such as bots and spam'?
>>   >> I believe the idea is that if the robot doesn't speak
>> Javascript,
>>   >> it's an easy denial by the web server.  And making bots speak
>>   >> Javascript is one step up.  And with Javascript they can likely
>>   >> monitor things like mouse movement to detect whether the user
>>   >> is a human or a robot.
>>   > Which of course is one of Google's main businesses, with their
>>   > Captchas that don't always need to show a puzzle in order to
>>   > validate users as humans.  So if anyone _thinks_ they can achieve
>>   > that, you'd expect it to be Google.
>> 	And they don't even need it to be perfect: a robot that
>> 	implements the relevant browser APIs, while possible, /will/
>> 	be costlier to run and maintain, thus reducing the profits of
>> 	the robot operators, in turn disincentivizing them.
>> 	Even if that doesn't solve the problem altogether, it will
>> 	still likely result in less load for their servers.
>> 	Not that it invalidates any other reasons they might want to
>> 	require Javascript / APIs regardless, mind you.
>
> A bot only needs to be able to send the correct data to the
> server. how difficult that is obviously depends on the details of the
> Javascript's interactions with the server, but frequent interactions
> themselves create a higher server load.
>
> One example would be the mouse-movement based human detection. If the
> script just sends a yes/no message to the server, then the bot doesn't
> need to try to emulate a human at all.
>
> Sylvia.

That's useful. I set my Seamonkey user agent string to a Lynx user agent
string and now google search works without javascript.

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[LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-01-21 07:10 +1000
  Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-21 10:23 +0100
  Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2025-01-21 20:18 +0800
    Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Jan van den Broek <balglaas@dds.nl> - 2025-01-21 12:56 +0000
      Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-21 19:18 +0100
    Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-01-21 10:33 -0300
      Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-01-21 18:12 +0000
      Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-01-22 06:56 +1000
        Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-01-23 19:33 +0000
          Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2025-01-24 13:30 +0800
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      Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-01-29 19:00 +0000
        Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-01-29 19:33 +0000
          Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-01-29 20:04 +0000
            Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-01-29 22:15 +0000
              Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-30 10:50 +0100
              Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-01-30 18:47 +0000
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              Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2025-01-30 01:53 +0042
                Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-01-30 03:38 +0000
                Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2025-01-30 04:43 +0042
        Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-24 05:38 +0000
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    Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-21 19:21 +0100
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    Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-01-22 06:47 +1000
      Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2025-01-21 22:49 +0042
        Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2025-01-22 13:04 +1000
          Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2025-01-22 12:58 +0042
          Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-01-25 15:15 +0000
  Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2025-01-21 20:57 +0000

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