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Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search

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On 24-Jan-25 3:33 am, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-01-21, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>>>> Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> writes:
> 
>   >>> How is this going to '"better protect" Google Search against
>   >>> malicious activity, such as bots and spam'?
> 
>   >> I believe the idea is that if the robot doesn't speak Javascript,
>   >> it's an easy denial by the web server.  And making bots speak
>   >> Javascript is one step up.  And with Javascript they can likely
>   >> monitor things like mouse movement to detect whether the user
>   >> is a human or a robot.
> 
>   > Which of course is one of Google's main businesses, with their
>   > Captchas that don't always need to show a puzzle in order to
>   > validate users as humans.  So if anyone _thinks_ they can achieve
>   > that, you'd expect it to be Google.
> 
> 	And they don't even need it to be perfect: a robot that
> 	implements the relevant browser APIs, while possible, /will/
> 	be costlier to run and maintain, thus reducing the profits of
> 	the robot operators, in turn disincentivizing them.
> 
> 	Even if that doesn't solve the problem altogether, it will
> 	still likely result in less load for their servers.
> 
> 	Not that it invalidates any other reasons they might want to
> 	require Javascript / APIs regardless, mind you.

A bot only needs to be able to send the correct data to the server. how 
difficult that is obviously depends on the details of the Javascript's 
interactions with the server, but frequent interactions themselves 
create a higher server load.

One example would be the mouse-movement based human detection. If the 
script just sends a yes/no message to the server, then the bot doesn't 
need to try to emulate a human at all.

Sylvia.

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[LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-01-21 07:10 +1000
  Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-21 10:23 +0100
  Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2025-01-21 20:18 +0800
    Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Jan van den Broek <balglaas@dds.nl> - 2025-01-21 12:56 +0000
      Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-21 19:18 +0100
    Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-01-21 10:33 -0300
      Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-01-21 18:12 +0000
      Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-01-22 06:56 +1000
        Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-01-23 19:33 +0000
          Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2025-01-24 13:30 +0800
            Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-01-27 20:56 +0000
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      Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-01-29 19:00 +0000
        Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-01-29 19:33 +0000
          Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-01-29 20:04 +0000
            Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-01-29 22:15 +0000
              Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-30 10:50 +0100
              Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-01-30 18:47 +0000
            Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-01-30 00:53 +0000
              Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2025-01-30 01:53 +0042
                Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-01-30 03:38 +0000
                Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2025-01-30 04:43 +0042
        Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-24 05:38 +0000
  Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2025-01-21 15:30 +0000
    Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search D <noreply@mixmin.net> - 2025-01-21 16:26 +0000
    Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-21 19:21 +0100
  Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-21 19:54 +0000
    Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-01-22 06:47 +1000
      Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2025-01-21 22:49 +0042
        Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2025-01-22 13:04 +1000
          Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2025-01-22 12:58 +0042
          Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-01-25 15:15 +0000
  Re: [LINK] Google begins requiring JavaScript for Google Search Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2025-01-21 20:57 +0000

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