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Re: A thought of C

From wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: A thought of C
Date 2026-04-16 05:12 +0800
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On Wed, 2026-04-15 at 15:06 +0100, Bart wrote:
> On 15/04/2026 13:21, wij wrote:
> > On Wed, 2026-04-15 at 11:46 +0100, Bart wrote:
> > > On 15/04/2026 07:05, wij wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 2026-04-14 at 21:46 -0700, Keith Thompson wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > >    int a;
> > > > > >    char b;
> > > > > >    a=b;   // allow auto promotion
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >    while(a<b) {
> > > > > >      a+=1;
> > > > > >    }
> > > > > 
> > > > > You've claimed that that's assembly language.  What assembler?
> > > > > For what CPU?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Is it even for a real assembler?
> > > > 
> > > > I think you realize the example above is just an example to demo my idea.
> > > 
> > > So you've invented an 'assembly' syntax that looks exactly like C, in
> > > order to support your notion that C and assembly are really the same thing!
> > 
> > Exactly. But not really 'invented'. I feagured if anyone wants to implement
> > a 'portable assembly', he would find it not much different from C (from the
> > example shown, 'structured C'). So, in a sense, not worthy to implement.
> > 
> > > Real assembly generally uses explicit instructions and labels rather
> > > than the implicit ones used here. It would also have limits on the
> > > complexity of expressions. If your pseudo-assembler supports:
> > > 
> > >      a = b+c*f(x,y);
> > > 
> > > then you've invented a HLL.
> > 
> > You may say that.
> 
> It sounds like you don't understand the difference between a low-level 
> language and a high-level one.
> 
> These days C might be considered mid-level (I call it a lower-level HLL, 
> because so many HLLs are much higher level and more abstract).
> 
> Compiling a HLL involves lowering it to a different representation, say 
> from language A to language B.
> 
> But just because that translation happens to be routine, doesn't mean 
> and A is essentially B.
> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > > > > Yes, the C-like example above specifies exactly a sequence of CPU instructions
> > > > > > (well, small deviation is allowed, and assembly can also have function, macro)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > A C program specifies run-time behavior.  (A compiler generates CPU
> > > > > > > instructions behind the scenes to implement that behavior.)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Being 'portable', it should specify 'run-time behavior', no exact instructions.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yes, that's what I said.  And that's the fundamental difference between
> > > > > assembly and C.
> > > > 
> > > > How/what do you specify 'run-time behavior'? Not based on CPU?
> > > > 
> > > > E.g. in C, int types are fixed-size, have range, wrap-around, alignment
> > > > and 'atomic','overlapping' properties, you cannot really understand or hide it and
> > > > program C/C++ correctly from the high-level concept of 'integer'.
> > > > 
> > > > The point is that C has NO WAY get rid of these (hard-ware) features, no matter
> > > > how high-level one thinks C is or expect C would be.
> > > 
> > > There are a dozen or more HLLs that have exactly such a set of integer
> > > types. Actually, those have fixed-width integers with fixed ranges,
> > > wrap-around behaviour, twos complement format and so on, even more so
> > > than C.
> > > 
> > > So those HLLs (that is, C++, C#, D, Rust, Java, Zig, Go, ...) are even
> > > more closely tied to the machine than C is. (In C, built-in types are
> > > not sized, but have mininum widths, and until C23, integer
> > > representation was not specified.)
> > > 
> > > Would you claim that those are also essentially assembly? If not, why not?
> > 
> > I calim C is (maybe I should use 'may be'. Sometimes I feel the conversation
> > is difficult) 'portable assembly' is because C (subset) could map to 'assembly'
> > and in a sense have to. E.g.
> > 
> >    int p2; // p2 is connected to extern hardware
> > 
> >    p2=0;
> >    p2=0;  // significant (hard-ware knows the second 'touch' triggers different
> >           // action (or for delay purpose).
> 
> That won't work in C. 'p2' is likely to be in a register; that extra 
> write may be elided.
> 
> You'd have to use 'volatile' to guard against that. But you still can't 
> control where p2 is put into memory. C /is/ used for this stuff, but all 
> sorts of special extensions, or compiler specifics, may be employed.
> 
> In assembly it's much easier.
> 
> 
> > 
> > And, in union, I don't how 'high-level' can explain the way read/write part
> > of float object officially.
> >    union {
> >      char carr[sizeof(float)];   // C++ guarantees sizeof(char)==1
> >      float f;
> >    }
> 
> (Fixed that sizeof.)
> 
> I normally use my own systems language. That one is aligned much more 
> directly to hardware than C is, even though it is marginally higher level.
> 
> This is because C is intended to work on possible hardware, while mine 
> was created to work with one target as a time.
> 
> Also, when I started on mine (c. 1982 rather than 1972), hardware was 
> already standardising on 8-bit bytes, byte-addressed, power-of-two word 
> sizes, and twos-complement integers.
> 
> I don't however consider my language to be a form of assembly for lots 
> of reasons already mentioned.
> 
> Its compilers use 3 internal representations before it gets to native code:
> 
>    HLL source -> AST -> IL -> MCL -> Native
> 
> 'MCL' is the internal representation of the native code. If I need ASM 
> output, then MCL can be dumped into a suitable syntax (I support 4 
> different ASM syntaxes for x64).
> 
> This MCL/ASM itself has abstractions, so the same 'MOV' mnemonic is used 
> for a dozens of different move instructions that each have different 
> binary opcodes.

I have a Soft-CPU class you might be insterested suitable for various kind of
script languages. The idea should not be too difficult to implement in C.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wy.Sct.Spu(3wy)                                                 Wy.Sct.Spu(3wy)

NAME
       Spu - Class of general purpose Soft-CPU

SYNOPSIS
       Except POD types, C structures, all types are declared in namespace Wy.

       #include <CSCall/SctBase.h>

       Spu is an object oriented model (class) of Turing Machine that acts like
       a  general  purpose CPU-based computing machine to provide semantics for
       computing languages (for programming or for program communication).  Ap‐
       plications are both theoretical and practical.

       The  main differences of Spu and general purpose CPU (or TM) is that Spu
       has no ´register´ nor ´flag´ (which, along with  others,  can  be  simu‐
       lated),  Spu  has  only a tape and a stack. The tape is initially empty.
       Every object (referred to as tape variable or cell) in the tape is allo‐
       cated via instruction Alloc and identified by a continuous index number.
       Tape variable can be any C++ type, including Spu.

       The instructions of Spu  are  application  definable  because  they  are
       wildly varying from different purposes.  Except necessary few, about >30
       instructions  are  defined for convenience for common usage, see manpage
       Wy.Sct(3wy).
[cut] ....
-------------------------------

The boundary of assembly and HLL is not clear to me.
I had wrote a killer-grade commercial assembly program, it may still be running
today after >30 years. My experience is that assembly is not that scary as commonly 
thought, just don't think in low level. 

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                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-22 17:12 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-22 18:21 +0300
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-22 17:57 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-22 19:16 +0300
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-22 21:42 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-22 14:33 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-23 00:22 +0100
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-22 18:59 -0700
                Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-23 11:07 +0800
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-23 09:47 +0200
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-22 23:16 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-23 10:58 +0100
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-23 03:43 -0700
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-23 12:48 +0200
                Re: A thought of C James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-04-23 10:42 -0400
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-23 16:30 +0100
                Re: A thought of C Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-23 09:21 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-23 17:27 +0100
                Re: A thought of C Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-25 14:19 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-23 17:25 -0700
                Re: A thought of C James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-04-23 21:17 -0400
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-23 14:08 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-23 23:18 +0100
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-24 01:31 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-23 17:51 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 18:19 -0700
                Re: A thought of C James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-04-23 21:34 -0400
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-24 04:26 +0200
                Re: A thought of C James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-04-24 20:26 -0400
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 18:21 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 18:21 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 18:20 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 18:23 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 18:27 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 18:57 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 20:26 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 23:03 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 23:50 -0700
                Re: A thought of C James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-04-25 12:04 -0400
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 12:00 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-25 21:24 +0100
                Re: A thought of C Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-25 13:52 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-25 22:27 +0100
                Re: A thought of C Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-26 00:48 +0300
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 15:49 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-26 02:24 +0300
                Re: A thought of C James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-04-25 20:07 -0400
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 17:14 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-26 04:34 +0200
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 18:08 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-25 17:20 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-26 01:47 +0100
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 18:40 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-25 19:58 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 15:39 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-26 00:53 +0100
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 18:27 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-26 02:41 +0100
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 19:03 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 19:08 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-26 05:04 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-26 12:32 +0100
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-26 15:13 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-26 16:27 +0300
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-26 17:19 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-26 15:34 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-27 19:30 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-26 12:14 +0100
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-26 15:23 -0700
                Re: A thought of C James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-04-26 20:02 -0400
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-26 04:24 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 20:05 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-26 05:16 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 21:26 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-26 17:51 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 15:31 -0700
                Re: A thought of C James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-04-25 20:19 -0400
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 18:11 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 18:34 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-26 20:58 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 18:44 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 20:24 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 23:01 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 23:49 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 20:26 -0700
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-23 09:42 +0200
                Re: A thought of C antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-04-20 13:49 +0000
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-20 18:34 +0100
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-20 22:57 +0200
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                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-21 10:53 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-21 02:56 -0700
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-21 14:10 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-21 21:04 -0700
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-22 08:28 +0200
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                Re: A thought of C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-21 14:27 +0000
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-21 15:38 +0100
                Re: A thought of C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-21 15:38 +0000
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-21 17:55 +0100
                Re: A thought of C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-21 17:28 +0000
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-22 11:13 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-21 19:11 +0300
                Re: A thought of C Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-21 21:09 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-22 15:16 +0100
                Re: A thought of C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-22 15:13 +0000
                Re: A thought of C Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-22 18:26 +0300
                Re: A thought of C Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2026-04-22 16:09 +0000
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-23 08:18 +0200
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-23 01:56 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-24 02:29 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-23 18:18 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-24 03:57 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-23 19:11 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-23 09:14 -0700
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-22 17:27 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-22 18:52 +0300
                Re: A thought of C Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-22 20:39 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-23 13:15 +0300
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-23 12:50 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-23 08:46 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-24 02:40 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-23 18:31 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-22 20:37 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-23 02:37 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-23 06:46 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-19 16:54 +0300
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-19 16:02 +0100
                Re: A thought of C antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-04-20 00:49 +0000
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-20 17:17 +0100
                Re: A thought of C antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-04-26 22:57 +0000
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-27 02:55 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-27 02:06 +0100
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-29 02:00 +0100
                Re: A thought of C antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-04-29 04:31 +0000
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-19 15:36 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-17 10:25 -0700
                Re: A thought of C James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-04-17 16:30 -0400
        Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 12:20 +0800
          Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-15 11:21 +0100
            Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 19:52 +0800
              Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-15 14:24 +0100
                Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-16 00:40 +0800
  Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-14 15:31 -0700
    Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 12:15 +0800
      Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-14 21:46 -0700
        Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 14:05 +0800
          Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-15 10:24 +0200
          Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-15 11:46 +0100
            Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 20:21 +0800
              Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 20:26 +0800
              Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-15 15:38 +0200
                Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-16 00:58 +0800
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-15 22:11 +0200
                Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-16 05:38 +0800
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 15:48 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 23:31 -0700
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-16 09:13 +0200
                Re: A thought of C antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-04-16 04:43 +0000
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-16 09:23 +0200
                Re: A thought of C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-16 14:38 +0000
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-16 17:05 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2026-04-16 15:11 +0000
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-16 17:43 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2026-04-16 16:23 +0000
                Re: A thought of C cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-04-16 19:48 +0000
                Re: A thought of C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-16 19:04 +0000
                Re: A thought of C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-16 19:01 +0000
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 15:34 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 23:29 -0700
              Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-15 15:06 +0100
                Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-16 05:12 +0800
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-15 23:52 +0100
                Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-16 07:30 +0800
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-16 00:50 +0100
                Re: A thought of C Jonathan Lamothe <jonathan@jlamothe.net> - 2026-04-15 20:17 -0400
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-16 09:35 +0200
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 23:37 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 23:40 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 23:47 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-16 13:19 +0200
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-16 14:28 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 23:34 -0700
          Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 15:12 -0700
            Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-16 07:22 +0800
              Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 16:52 -0700
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  Re: A thought of C makendo <makendo@makendo.invalid> - 2026-04-15 21:40 +0800
    Re: A thought of C Jonathan Lamothe <jonathan@jlamothe.net> - 2026-04-15 10:51 -0400
      Re: A thought of C makendo <makendo@makendo.invalid> - 2026-04-16 12:44 +0800
    Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-16 01:11 +0800
    Re: A thought of C 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-04-15 20:23 +0200
      Re: A thought of C "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-04-15 21:01 +0100
        Re: A thought of C 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-04-15 22:40 +0200
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            Re: A thought of C "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-04-30 11:31 +0100
    Re: A thought of C Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-19 07:41 +0000
  Re: A thought of C Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-15 17:14 -0700
    Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-16 09:27 +0800
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          Re: A thought of C gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-04-16 13:10 +0000
            Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-16 22:21 +0800
              Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-16 17:03 +0200
          Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-16 22:14 +0800
            Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-18 22:17 +0800
              Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-21 06:29 +0800
              Re: A thought of C Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-24 02:27 +0000
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    Re: A thought of C cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-04-16 11:24 +0000
  Re: A thought of C Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-18 11:33 +0200

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