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From	wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: A thought of C
Date	2026-04-16 05:38 +0800
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On Wed, 2026-04-15 at 22:11 +0200, David Brown wrote:
> On 15/04/2026 18:58, wij wrote:
> > On Wed, 2026-04-15 at 15:38 +0200, David Brown wrote:
> > > On 15/04/2026 14:21, wij wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 2026-04-15 at 11:46 +0100, Bart wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > There are a dozen or more HLLs that have exactly such a set of integer
> > > > > types. Actually, those have fixed-width integers with fixed ranges,
> > > > > wrap-around behaviour, twos complement format and so on, even more so
> > > > > than C.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So those HLLs (that is, C++, C#, D, Rust, Java, Zig, Go, ...) are even
> > > > > more closely tied to the machine than C is. (In C, built-in types are
> > > > > not sized, but have mininum widths, and until C23, integer
> > > > > representation was not specified.)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Would you claim that those are also essentially assembly? If not, why not?
> > > > 
> > > > I calim C is (maybe I should use 'may be'. Sometimes I feel the conversation
> > > > is difficult) 'portable assembly' is because C (subset) could map to 'assembly'
> > > > and in a sense have to. E.g.
> > > > 
> > > >     int p2; // p2 is connected to extern hardware
> > > > 
> > > >     p2=0;
> > > >     p2=0;  // significant (hard-ware knows the second 'touch' triggers different
> > > >            // action (or for delay purpose).
> > > > 
> > > You are not making any sense.  I don't think you understand what C is,
> > > how the language is defined, or how typical C implementations work.
> > 
> > I switched from C to C++ 30 years ago.
> 
> I don't think you understand C++ either.  In the context of this 
> discussion, it is not different from C.
> 
> > But that is 'theoretical', I see things
> > from real world side. I think you approach 'C' from standard documents, that is
> > not the way of understanding. You cannot understand the world by/from reading
> > the bible.
> 
> No, I understand C and C++ from using them in real-world code - as well 
> as knowing what the code means and what is guaranteed by the language. 
> Practical experience tells you what works well in practice - but 
> theoretical knowledge tells you what you can expect so that you are not 
> just programming by luck and "it worked for me when I tried it".
> 
> > 
> > > In C, when you write the code above there is /nothing/ to suggest that
> > > there should be two actions.
> > 
> > As I know, 'old-time' C has no optimization.
> > 
> 
> Nonsense.
> 
> Modern C compilers often do more optimisation than older ones, but there 
> was never a "pre-optimisation" world.  Things like eliminating dead 
> code, or optimising based on knowing that signed integer overflow never 
> occurs in a correct program, have been around from early tools.  I have 
> used heavily optimising compilers for 30 years.
> 
> > > C compilers can - and many will - combine
> > > the two "p2 = 0;" statements.  This is critical to understanding why C
> > > is not in any sense an "assembler".
> > 
> > Not a valid reason.
> > 
> 
> What do you mean by that?  It's a fact, not a "reason".
> 
> > >   In assembly languages, if you write
> > > the equivalent of "p2 = 0;" twice, you get the appropriate opcode twice.
> > 
> > Assembly compiler (or language) can also do the same optimization.
> > 
> 
> No, assemblers cannot do that - if they did, they would not be 
> assemblers.  An assembler directly translates your instructions from 
> mnemonic codes (assembly instructions) to binary opcodes.  Some 
> assemblers might have pseudo-instructions that translate to more than 
> one binary opcode, but always in a specific defined pattern.
> 
> > >    In C, the language do not require an operation for the statement "p2 =
> > > 0;".  They require that after that statement, any observable behaviour
> > > produced by the program will be as if the value 0 had been assigned to
> > > the object "p2".
> > 
> > You need a model now by saying so.
> 
> Again, I don't know what you are trying to say.
> 
> > 
> > > Repeating that same requirement does not change it -
> > > the compiler does not have to have implement "p2 = 0;" twice.  (It is
> > > free to do so twice - or two hundred times if it likes.  And if the
> > > value of p2 is not used, it can be completely eliminated.)
> > > 
> > > Have you actually done any C programming at all?
> > 
> > Nope, I quit C (but I keep watching C, since part of C++ is C)
> > 
> 
> Okay, have you ever actually done any C++ programming?  The languages 
> share the same philosophy here.

You are really a sick person. Looser of the real world. You just don't know
yourself.
I have a gold medal, an aluminum medal and a bronze commemorative plaque (for 
solving a riddle of Northrop Coorp.).  What you have? Well... a paper (paid for)
and still making false memory everyday for yourself. 
I retired at 37, can you?

Ah, recently, you also failed to verify a simple program that proves
3x+1 problem. Fact is not made by mouth (like DJT?), looser.

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                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-23 14:08 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-23 23:18 +0100
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-24 01:31 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-23 17:51 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 18:19 -0700
                Re: A thought of C James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-04-23 21:34 -0400
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-24 04:26 +0200
                Re: A thought of C James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-04-24 20:26 -0400
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 18:21 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 18:21 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 18:20 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 18:23 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 18:27 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 18:57 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 20:26 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 23:03 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 23:50 -0700
                Re: A thought of C James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-04-25 12:04 -0400
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 12:00 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-25 21:24 +0100
                Re: A thought of C Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-25 13:52 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-25 22:27 +0100
                Re: A thought of C Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-26 00:48 +0300
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 15:49 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-26 02:24 +0300
                Re: A thought of C James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-04-25 20:07 -0400
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 17:14 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-26 04:34 +0200
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 18:08 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-25 17:20 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-26 01:47 +0100
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 18:40 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-25 19:58 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 15:39 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-26 00:53 +0100
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 18:27 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-26 02:41 +0100
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 19:03 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 19:08 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-26 05:04 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-26 12:32 +0100
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-26 15:13 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-26 16:27 +0300
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-26 17:19 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-26 15:34 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-27 19:30 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-26 12:14 +0100
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-26 15:23 -0700
                Re: A thought of C James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-04-26 20:02 -0400
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-26 04:24 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 20:05 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-26 05:16 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 21:26 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-26 17:51 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 15:31 -0700
                Re: A thought of C James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-04-25 20:19 -0400
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 18:11 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 18:34 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-26 20:58 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 18:44 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 20:24 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 23:01 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 23:49 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 20:26 -0700
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-23 09:42 +0200
                Re: A thought of C antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-04-20 13:49 +0000
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-20 18:34 +0100
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-20 22:57 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-20 23:03 +0100
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-21 10:53 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-21 02:56 -0700
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-21 14:10 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-21 21:04 -0700
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-22 08:28 +0200
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                Re: A thought of C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-21 14:27 +0000
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-21 15:38 +0100
                Re: A thought of C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-21 15:38 +0000
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-21 17:55 +0100
                Re: A thought of C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-21 17:28 +0000
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-22 11:13 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-21 19:11 +0300
                Re: A thought of C Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-21 21:09 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-22 15:16 +0100
                Re: A thought of C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-22 15:13 +0000
                Re: A thought of C Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-22 18:26 +0300
                Re: A thought of C Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2026-04-22 16:09 +0000
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-23 08:18 +0200
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-23 01:56 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-24 02:29 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-23 18:18 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-24 03:57 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-23 19:11 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-23 09:14 -0700
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-22 17:27 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-22 18:52 +0300
                Re: A thought of C Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-22 20:39 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-23 13:15 +0300
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-23 12:50 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-23 08:46 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-24 02:40 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-23 18:31 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-22 20:37 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-23 02:37 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-23 06:46 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-19 16:54 +0300
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-19 16:02 +0100
                Re: A thought of C antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-04-20 00:49 +0000
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-20 17:17 +0100
                Re: A thought of C antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-04-26 22:57 +0000
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-27 02:55 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-27 02:06 +0100
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-19 15:36 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-17 10:25 -0700
                Re: A thought of C James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-04-17 16:30 -0400
        Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 12:20 +0800
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            Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 19:52 +0800
              Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-15 14:24 +0100
                Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-16 00:40 +0800
  Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-14 15:31 -0700
    Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 12:15 +0800
      Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-14 21:46 -0700
        Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 14:05 +0800
          Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-15 10:24 +0200
          Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-15 11:46 +0100
            Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 20:21 +0800
              Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 20:26 +0800
              Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-15 15:38 +0200
                Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-16 00:58 +0800
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-15 22:11 +0200
                Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-16 05:38 +0800
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 15:48 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 23:31 -0700
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-16 09:13 +0200
                Re: A thought of C antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-04-16 04:43 +0000
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-16 09:23 +0200
                Re: A thought of C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-16 14:38 +0000
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-16 17:05 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2026-04-16 15:11 +0000
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-16 17:43 +0200
                Re: A thought of C Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2026-04-16 16:23 +0000
                Re: A thought of C cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-04-16 19:48 +0000
                Re: A thought of C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-16 19:04 +0000
                Re: A thought of C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-16 19:01 +0000
                Re: A thought of C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 15:34 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 23:29 -0700
              Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-15 15:06 +0100
                Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-16 05:12 +0800
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-15 23:52 +0100
                Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-16 07:30 +0800
                Re: A thought of C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-16 00:50 +0100
                Re: A thought of C Jonathan Lamothe <jonathan@jlamothe.net> - 2026-04-15 20:17 -0400
                Re: A thought of C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-16 09:35 +0200
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 23:37 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 23:40 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 23:47 -0700
                Re: A thought of C Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-16 13:19 +0200
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-16 14:28 -0700
                Re: A thought of C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 23:34 -0700
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            Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-16 07:22 +0800
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  Re: A thought of C makendo <makendo@makendo.invalid> - 2026-04-15 21:40 +0800
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      Re: A thought of C makendo <makendo@makendo.invalid> - 2026-04-16 12:44 +0800
    Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-16 01:11 +0800
    Re: A thought of C 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-04-15 20:23 +0200
      Re: A thought of C "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-04-15 21:01 +0100
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    Re: A thought of C Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-19 07:41 +0000
  Re: A thought of C Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-15 17:14 -0700
    Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-16 09:27 +0800
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          Re: A thought of C gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-04-16 13:10 +0000
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          Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-16 22:14 +0800
            Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-18 22:17 +0800
              Re: A thought of C wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-21 06:29 +0800
              Re: A thought of C Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-24 02:27 +0000
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    Re: A thought of C cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-04-16 11:24 +0000
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