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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
| Subject | Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers |
| Newsgroups | alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, misc.news.internet.discuss, comp.misc, sci.electronics.design |
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| Date | 2024-03-28 08:38 +1000 |
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Cross-posted to 4 groups.
In comp.misc Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote: > John Larkin <xx@yy.com> wrote: >>TSMC fabs what people design. Using mostly western fab equipment. >> >>Are there asian sources for lithography machines? GigaPhoton tried to >>compete with Cymer/ASML and mostly failed. > > Yes, but not with anywhere near the resolution. Chinese fab is a couple > generations behind the highest resolution available in Taiwan. This gives > them a lot of motivation into trying to get the best speed possible out of > what they have, through architectual optimization. But _are_ they made in mainland China? Another mainly state-funded Chinese company is making x86 CPUs and they've usually been made by TSMC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhaoxin However they're not saying where the latest model is being made: https://www.anandtech.com/show/21189/zhaoxin-unveils-kx7000-cpus-eight-x86-cores-at-up-to-370-ghz As for Loongson, the Wikipedia page says plainly that their chips are made by STMicroelectronics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loongson#History With this fairly recent reference (though not from a very relevent source): "STMicroelectronics, a French-Italian multinational electronics manufacturer, fabricates and markets Loongson's chips, which is fabless." https://www.verdict.co.uk/china-backed-chip-company-files-for-shanghai-ipo/ ST aren't known for making cutting-edge PC CPUs, but they don't have fabs in China (or Taiwan) either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STMicroelectronics In a practical sense an important factor for semiconductor fabs has always been yeild - how many failed chips they get in a batch. At some point before the PRC can produce such chips competitively with western/Taiwanese manufacturers, they'll probably be able to produce them at a lower yeild, but for a price that their government is willing to pay for the security of having full control over their production, and just to keep their fabs going/improving. In the mean time foreign fabs can be used to make the chips commercially for normal consumer products. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2024-03-26 23:08 -0700
Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> - 2024-03-27 07:50 -0700
Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2024-03-27 15:28 +0000
Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> - 2024-03-27 08:57 -0700
Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2024-03-27 19:28 +0000
Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-03-28 08:38 +1000
Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-03-28 08:44 +1000
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Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2024-03-27 21:42 -0700
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Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2024-03-29 00:00 -0400
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Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-03-29 14:18 +1100
Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2024-03-29 00:05 -0400
Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-03-29 16:50 +1100
Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2024-03-28 23:21 -0700
Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2024-03-29 05:02 -0400
Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2024-03-29 00:03 -0400
Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-03-29 16:55 +1100
Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2024-03-29 05:05 -0400
Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-03-29 14:10 +1100
Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-03-29 07:52 +1000
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