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Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers

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John Larkin  <xx@yy.com> wrote:
>> > publication. All were from Chinese companies, Reuters reports. Among other
>> > things, China has built computers with its own Loongson 3A6000 chip, which
>> > is said to be at least as good as Intel's.
>
>It's a MIPS machine, another "Chinese Copy." Three guesses for what
>the OS will look like.
>
>Why don't they steal something more modern, like RISC-V?

The Loongson and Sunway processors were developed from Western risc
processors well over a decade ago and a whole lot of engineering have
gone into making them fast.  Tha latest Loongson has specmarks nearly
as good as the fastest Intel processor, while being designed on a
process that is two generations behind what Intel is using.

The Chinese are compensating for poorer process engineering by using 
better architectural engineering, which is something we could be doing
as well if it was possible to sell non-X86 systems into the US market.

Intel has repeatedly attempted to introduce high performance non-X86
systems over the years with the i860 and i960 (the Itanium2 was not
really Intel's fault as much as HPs but it should get an E for effort),
but they have never been able to get enough sales for the things in
order to afford to be able to put enough engineering into them to get
them up to top speed.

>>They will end up being better than Western chips. After all, the Western
>>companies that make the chips are really all Chinese companies, based much
>>more in Taiwan than in California.
>
>TSMC fabs what people design. Using mostly western fab equipment.
>
>Are there asian sources for lithography machines? GigaPhoton tried to
>compete with Cymer/ASML and mostly failed.

Yes, but not with anywhere near the resolution.  Chinese fab is a couple
generations behind the highest resolution available in Taiwan.  This gives
them a lot of motivation into trying to get the best speed possible out of
what they have, through architectual optimization. 
--scott
-- 
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers Here is the News <news@here.anon> - 2024-03-26 21:50 -0400
  Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2024-03-26 23:08 -0700
  Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> - 2024-03-27 07:50 -0700
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