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| From | Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.sys.acorn.misc |
| Subject | Re: Gove in a virtual world |
| Date | 2011-12-16 19:20 +0000 |
| Organization | None |
| Message-ID | <5242a198d7alan_calder@o2.co.uk> (permalink) |
| References | (2 earlier) <52422777dbdave@triffid.co.uk> <52422e1f31alan_calder@o2.co.uk> <5242746733riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <524282c456alan_calder@o2.co.uk> <524294eac4riscos@mdharding.org.uk> |
In article <524294eac4riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> wrote: > In article <524282c456alan_calder@o2.co.uk>, > Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote: [Snip] > That's what I was arguing: that it's a mere triviality that many > technical words are based on Latin/Greek. English is not Latinate. > Vocabulary is not the issue: the structure of sentences, of grammar, > is. I'm far from convinced that the structure and grammar of Modern English has much relation to Latin as it was originally mangled in the streets of Pompeii. Yes, there is some but nothing that would not be equally matched in French or Spanish. [Snip] > Of course you can learn other languages without Latin - everybody > does: I learned English from my parents. I think you misread me here. I wasn't referring to learning one's native language but to learning English when your native tongue is not even part of the Latin grouping. Hungarian, say, or Japanese. My Japanese sisters in law seem to have managed excellent English skills without the assistance of Kennedy's Latin Primer of unholy memory. [Snip] > I'm with you about the (fetishising) cultural snobs. But I won't > allow people to put down a subject which I found extremely helpful in > moving on to other languages, on the sole basis that it's "dead". > C.S. Lewis complained about "chronological snobbery" - the snobbery > of considering anything beneath one's consideration because it's too > new, or too old. I think that we are basically in agreement on the fetishising! It's the 'moving on to other languages' bit I'm not so sure of. You said it helped you with Russian but I wonder if learning Italian or Spanish might have been just as advantageous? I've mentioned my Japanese-speaking brother-in-law before. He learnt Russian at Bangor when he was still in his deepest Red phase and never touched Latin until his 40s when he decided to become an Oxford academic - he was always a one for playing the full part, right down to the tweed jacket with leather elbow patches. Mind you, some people just seem to have the knack when it comes to language. My music teacher wouldn't tolerate the notion that a person couldn't sing and my French partner is of the same mind on French pronunciation. She, at least, will admit that I can't sing but refuses to accept that I can't manage her preferred Avignon accent. I'm afraid I cannot see how learning Latin helps with learning Mandarin or Tamil. My beef isn't anything to do with Latin being dead, it's with the to my mind spurious notion that the language has special powers when it comes to education at primary or secondary levels. Been fun but we'd better be careful in case the Druck is listening. Wonder what the latin for a drucking is? Cheers Alan [Snip] -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
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Gove in a virtual world ChrisF <c.n.l.f@virgin.net> - 2011-12-15 20:47 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2011-12-15 20:53 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-12-15 21:06 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2011-12-15 22:19 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-12-16 07:18 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-16 09:14 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2011-12-16 09:34 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2011-12-16 10:46 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2011-12-17 14:48 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2011-12-17 15:10 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-18 09:20 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2011-12-19 11:36 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2011-12-16 07:04 -0800
Re: Gove in a virtual world Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-17 08:46 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2011-12-16 11:07 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2011-12-16 13:44 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2011-12-16 17:02 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2011-12-16 19:20 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-17 10:17 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2011-12-17 10:35 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2011-12-17 14:57 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world workstuff@mail.com - 2011-12-16 21:12 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2011-12-17 13:04 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-12-18 07:50 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2011-12-18 15:31 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world workstuff@mail.com - 2011-12-18 22:27 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world Patric Albutat <albutat@gmx.de> - 2011-12-19 01:32 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2011-12-19 12:32 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world workstuff@mail.com - 2011-12-19 14:22 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2011-12-19 14:00 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world nervus <nervus@spam.nl> - 2011-12-19 19:59 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2011-12-19 20:13 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world nervus <nervus@spam.nl> - 2011-12-19 21:35 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2011-12-19 21:05 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world nervus <nervus@spam.nl> - 2011-12-19 22:10 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2011-12-20 16:42 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-12-20 23:12 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-21 08:07 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-12-21 09:33 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-21 18:10 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world Patric Albutat <albutat@gmx.de> - 2011-12-21 20:46 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2011-12-21 21:21 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world John <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-12-21 14:00 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Chris <decordova@ukgateway.net> - 2011-12-24 19:46 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-20 06:26 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-12-18 08:15 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-17 09:41 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2011-12-17 15:21 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-17 21:24 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-18 08:09 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2011-12-18 10:32 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world trevj <trevj@cwazy.co.uk> - 2011-12-20 07:45 -0800
Re: Gove in a virtual world Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-21 08:08 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-17 10:33 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2011-12-17 15:46 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2011-12-17 15:37 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-12-18 08:23 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world "Bruce Goatly" <ss4@goatly.co.uk> - 2011-12-18 10:42 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2011-12-18 15:58 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2011-12-17 12:17 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2011-12-17 12:47 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2011-12-17 12:57 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-17 19:08 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2011-12-17 12:51 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2011-12-17 15:17 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2011-12-17 18:02 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> - 2011-12-18 10:18 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2011-12-18 18:25 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Steve Drain <steve@kappa.me.uk> - 2011-12-19 11:40 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2011-12-20 23:17 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-20 06:51 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2011-12-20 10:07 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2011-12-20 23:20 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2011-12-21 00:43 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-21 08:16 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2011-12-21 12:22 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2011-12-21 17:20 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2011-12-22 10:36 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-23 07:19 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2011-12-21 11:00 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2011-12-21 12:25 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2011-12-21 13:23 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world <cujimmy@nospam.co.uk> - 2011-12-21 19:50 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2011-12-21 22:13 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2011-12-26 10:50 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2011-12-21 11:58 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-21 19:11 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world Steve Drain <steve@kappa.me.uk> - 2011-12-21 22:18 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-23 07:38 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world Steve Drain <steve@kappa.me.uk> - 2011-12-23 12:31 +0000
APOLOGY to Steve Drain Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-24 05:52 +0100
Structures in BASIC Steve Drain <steve@kappa.me.uk> - 2011-12-24 11:38 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2011-12-21 18:35 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-23 07:32 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2011-12-23 09:58 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2011-12-23 10:12 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2011-12-23 10:31 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-24 05:55 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-24 05:56 +0100
Re: Gove in a virtual world M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2011-12-18 16:17 +0000
Re: Gove in a virtual world Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-20 07:24 +0100
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