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Re: Why is model theory needed?

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Date 2023-06-01 11:43 -0700
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Subject Re: Why is model theory needed?
From Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>

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On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 9:13:00 PM UTC-7, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 1:10:17 PM UTC-7, Dan Christensen wrote: 
> > On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 2:50:58 PM UTC-4, Ross Finlayson wrote: 
> > > On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 8:39:03 AM UTC-7, Dan Christensen wrote: 
> > > > On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 11:28:54 AM UTC-4, Ross Finlayson wrote: 
> > > > > On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 8:21:19 AM UTC-7, Dan Christensen wrote: 
> > > > > > On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 5:09:14 AM UTC-4, Mild Shock wrote: 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Dan Christensens proof still uses a lot of double negation 
> > > > > > > removal, is not constructive as it is presented currently: 
> > > > > > > http://www.dcproof.com/UniversalSet.htm 
> > > > > > Double negation removal is a legitimate method of proof accepted by the vast majority of mathematicians. Must be frustrating as hell for you, Mr. Collapse. (Hee, hee!) 
> > > > > > Dan 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Download my DC Proof 2.0 freeware at http://www.dcproof.com 
> > > > > > Visit my Math Blog at http://www.dcproof.wordpress.com 
> > > > > So are a bunch of derivation rules in the contrapositive about 
> > > > > implications, the direct variety: legitimate derivation rules, 
> > > > > that applied to "material implications": result garbage. 
> > > > > 
> > > > A proof of said "garbage" would be nice, but I won't hold my breath. 
> > > Well it's simple, you apply the contrapositive to material implication, 
> > > but don't know whether you're negating thusly what _was_ a true, 
> > > or, ..., _wasn't_, a false, all vacuous. 
> > > 
> > [snip] 
> > 
> > You are making no sense. 
> > 
> > 1. A => B 
> > Premise 
> > 
> > 2. ~B 
> > Premise 
> > 
> > 3. A 
> > Premise 
> > 
> > 4. B 
> > Detach, 1, 3 
> > 
> > 5. ~B & B 
> > Join, 2, 4 
> > 
> > 6. ~A 
> > Conclusion, 3 
> > 
> > 7. ~B => ~A 
> > Conclusion, 2 
> > 
> > 8. A => B => [~B => ~A] 
> > Conclusion, 1 
> > 
> > This result doesn't depend of the truth value of either A or B. What combination of truth values do you imagine would negate this result? Alternatively, which is the first invalid statement here and why. 
> > Dan 
> > 
> > Download my DC Proof 2.0 freeware at http://www.dcproof.com 
> > Visit my Math Blog at http://www.dcproof.wordpress.com
> I've been looking at it and what I need to figure out is about when a premise is discharged, 
> how to build for it cases, because otherwise there's only one case. I.e., a premise can be 
> made multiple times, and has to be discharged each time. The idea is that putting it in 
> multiple orders, it gets discharged out various ways, or "last wins", and then the various 
> ways together contradict each other. (That ~A => B and ~A => ~B contradict each other, 
> because B and ~B contradict each other.) 
> 
> The other way is about the proof of "completeness", which allows the "vacuity", and basically 
> looking into an "infinite inference", then for example about what happens when there is an 
> infinite chain of inferences, how it would roll around contradicting itself. 
> 
> ...Then of course showing that with "direct implication" the resulting contradictions don't follow. 
> 
> About the contrapositive and derivation rules, is that with direct implication (or here, 
> just plain "implication", and only the affirmatory not the vacuous, vis-a-vis the causal 
> and coincident), that (~A -> B) -> (~B -> A), but also that (~A -> ~B) -> (B -> A). 
> 
> A -> ~B --> B -> ~A 
> A -> B --> ~B -> ~A 
> ~A -> ~B --> B -> A 
> ~A -> B --> ~B -> A 
> 
> 
> Also there's the bit about "eliminate double negative" is just written in those. 
> 
> About the vacuous, it's about as simple as having a set theory 
> with no empty set (no empty domain of entailment), thus that 
> the "monotonicity that makes the completeness that makes the 
> sasisfiability", is kind of the same when everything's framed in the affirmatory.


It's kind of like if you define "CONTRADICT-EACH-OTHER", 
and "A=>B and A=>~B" as "CONTRADICT-EACH-OTHER", 
then you can see why to exclude "material" "implication".

It's just an empty case to stub out "entailment: a model thereof, 
in a model of models and please don't ask for just one, beccause 
what we call monotonicity is just to make it so concatenation 
doesn't mean re-work, though our 'theorem of completeness' 
is contrived and also breaks itself open, please don't ask ".

Really, you should look into the derivations and what makes modern, 
"propositional logic", about why it's _not_ classical and _not_ De Morgan's, 
if you want to look schooled and well-rounded and open-minded, 
and sound and valid and well-formed, then for any amtters of "complete".

I.e., the, "postmodern" logic, is to be extra-ordinary again, 
and not "this is our funnel right to our box".  This is for 
deconstructive and reconstructive accounts, in axiomatics 
but really in the elementary, and of course for the complementary 
duals, of partitioning and collecting things.

(That model each other in a unified model, or "a theory".)

Or, you know, dump it in the funnel and see where it comes out.

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