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Re: Why is model theory needed?

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Date 2023-05-31 11:50 -0700
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Subject Re: Why is model theory needed?
From Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>

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On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 8:39:03 AM UTC-7, Dan Christensen wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 11:28:54 AM UTC-4, Ross Finlayson wrote: 
> > On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 8:21:19 AM UTC-7, Dan Christensen wrote: 
> > > On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 5:09:14 AM UTC-4, Mild Shock wrote: 
> > > 
> > > > Dan Christensens proof still uses a lot of double negation 
> > > > removal, is not constructive as it is presented currently: 
> > > > http://www.dcproof.com/UniversalSet.htm 
> > > Double negation removal is a legitimate method of proof accepted by the vast majority of mathematicians. Must be frustrating as hell for you, Mr. Collapse. (Hee, hee!) 
> > > Dan 
> > > 
> > > Download my DC Proof 2.0 freeware at http://www.dcproof.com 
> > > Visit my Math Blog at http://www.dcproof.wordpress.com 
> > So are a bunch of derivation rules in the contrapositive about 
> > implications, the direct variety: legitimate derivation rules, 
> > that applied to "material implications": result garbage. 
> >
> A proof of said "garbage" would be nice, but I won't hold my breath.
> Dan 
> 
> Download my DC Proof 2.0 freeware at http://www.dcproof.com 
> Visit my Math Blog at http://www.dcproof.wordpress.com

Well it's simple, you apply the contrapositive to material implication, 
but don't know whether you're negating thusly what _was_ a true, 
or, ..., _wasn't_, a false, all vacuous.

So, those derivation rules about "implication" can't be included in 
your "material implication, but I mean not implication in case 
the antecedent's false and LEM would imply the contrapositive".

Bloop

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