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Re: Space and spacetime

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Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>
> W dniu 18.06.2024 o 11:01, Richard Hachel pisze:
> >
> > Le 18/06/2024 à 06:07, hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) a écrit :
> > >
> > > Neither is this an argument, counter or otherwise.  Science is NOT
> > > based on what is said or written.  It is based on whether the
> > > analysis agrees with what occurs, i.e., the outcomes of
> experiments.
> > 
> > This is science as you imagine it.
> > This is not always true. We must not neglect the human aspect.

Do you mean [gasp!] that scientists would LIE about their experiments?
What about Dr. Hachel who never does any experiments, but lies about
them anyway?

> > Especially when it comes to theoretical science or medical science
> where 
> you can either hide because it's embarrassing, or lie to make money.

I don't know any rich theoretical physicists, nor any that hide. 
Proposing
new ideas based upon extending present understanding is a good thing,
IMHO,
but proposing opinions based on fluff is not.

“All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust,
sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others.”
 -- Douglas Adams

> > What is said or written is not only
> > the basement, but also the only content
> > of science.

Nope.  The foundation is what has been written about a phenomenon AND
what
has been verified by repeated experiments.  Theoretical physics is not
in
the same category - until it has been verified - by observation and/ or
by
experiment.

There are phenomena that are not exactly repeatable, subject to unknown
factors (human or otherwise), that are another category.

> Science is an advanced informational system.

That's too narrow a definition.

> And Harrie-like idiots are trying to include
> some Heavenly Force into it, because
> 1)they have no slighest clue how the system is
> developed and maintained
> 2)it would make them Heavenly Chosen Ones.

That sounds like Wozzie is describing himself :-)

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Re: Space and spacetime Roeidi Hegedüs <ddigsii@isi.hu> - 2024-06-15 12:07 +0000
  Re: Space and spacetime Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> - 2024-06-15 12:35 +0000
    Re: Space and spacetime Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-06-15 15:49 +0200
      Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-15 16:18 +0200
        Re: Space and spacetime Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-06-15 16:21 +0200
          Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-15 18:20 +0200
          Re: Space and spacetime Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> - 2024-06-15 17:04 +0000
            Re: Space and spacetime Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-06-15 23:34 +0200
              Re: Space and spacetime Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> - 2024-06-15 21:57 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Alejandro Ślązak Mei <ellla@krmlr.pl> - 2024-06-15 23:40 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-16 01:42 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-06-16 20:45 +0200
            Re: Space and spacetime Kory Muksinov Mak <vur@kvmooins.ru> - 2024-06-16 00:26 +0000
      Re: Space and spacetime Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> - 2024-06-15 16:49 +0000
        Re: Space and spacetime Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-06-15 23:05 +0200
          Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-15 23:24 +0200
            Re: Space and spacetime Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-06-15 23:35 +0200
              Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-16 07:28 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime Darin Stamatelos Zhai <tta@mtrd.gr> - 2024-06-16 11:19 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-16 17:35 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Osmel Pásztor Woo <ms@om.hu> - 2024-06-16 18:06 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime bertietaylor @novabbs.com.invalid (bertietaylor) - 2024-06-22 00:49 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-16 21:04 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-17 03:30 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-17 10:54 +0200
          Re: Space and spacetime Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> - 2024-06-15 21:47 +0000
            Re: Space and spacetime "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-06-16 20:22 +0200
    Re: Space and spacetime "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-06-15 20:17 +0200
    Re: Space and spacetime film.art@gmail.com (JanPB) - 2024-06-16 20:46 +0000
      Re: Space and spacetime Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> - 2024-06-16 21:28 +0000
        Re: Space and spacetime Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-17 11:13 +0200
          Re: Space and spacetime Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> - 2024-06-17 13:13 +0000
            Re: Space and spacetime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-18 04:07 +0000
              Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-18 08:01 +0200
              Re: Space and spacetime Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> - 2024-06-18 09:01 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-18 11:33 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-18 12:46 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-18 15:09 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-06-18 15:41 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-18 17:03 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-18 13:53 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-18 17:26 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-18 18:06 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-19 00:35 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-19 16:00 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-19 18:50 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-19 18:01 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-19 21:09 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-19 22:09 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-20 06:15 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-20 12:26 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-20 15:14 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-20 13:45 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-20 16:27 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-20 16:01 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-20 18:53 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-21 14:14 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-21 18:20 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-21 18:21 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-21 21:07 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-21 21:46 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-22 00:28 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-22 01:50 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-22 05:58 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-22 13:54 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-22 17:34 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-22 18:47 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-22 22:01 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-22 23:27 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-23 06:34 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-23 14:06 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-23 16:41 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-23 18:48 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-23 21:25 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-23 20:52 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-24 06:59 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime Hugo Madarász Hew <odu@azaes.hu> - 2024-06-24 11:21 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-24 11:45 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-24 15:40 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-24 14:50 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-24 17:05 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-24 16:58 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-24 19:47 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-24 22:43 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-25 05:53 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime Ommy Vadász <oya@omsmv.hu> - 2024-06-23 15:00 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Dieter Bakhmatov Bian <tok@akted.ru> - 2024-06-23 15:16 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-06-22 10:37 -0700
                Re: Space and spacetime Nestor Evelina Fei <vele@vea.net> - 2024-06-21 23:11 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Jerid Tsapaev Zhui <pvaa@epr.ru> - 2024-06-21 18:30 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2024-06-21 22:24 -0400
                Re: Space and spacetime Zackery Dudunov <vn@cduyr.ru> - 2024-06-26 20:19 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Westley Wojewódzki <ypikke@eke.pl> - 2024-06-26 20:30 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Malvin Deangela <eedaaem@av.com> - 2024-06-21 23:40 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> - 2024-06-20 14:43 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> - 2024-06-18 15:21 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-06-18 19:24 +0200
                Re: Space and spacetime Moody Slootmaekers Hong <keer@dmaoy.nl> - 2024-06-19 14:36 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> - 2024-06-18 15:34 +0000
        Re: Space and spacetime "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-06-17 19:07 +0200
      Re: Space and spacetime Jassen Christakos <kcsshn@saeoaos.gr> - 2024-06-17 10:01 +0000
  Re: Space and spacetime bertietaylor @novabbs.com.invalid (bertietaylor) - 2024-06-26 23:00 +0000
    Re: Space and spacetime Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2024-06-27 09:40 -0400
      Re: Space and spacetime Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2024-06-27 13:57 +0000
      Re: Space and spacetime Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2024-06-27 13:57 +0000
        Re: Space and spacetime Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2024-06-27 14:02 +0000
      Re: Space and spacetime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-06-27 15:59 +0200
        Re: Space and spacetime bertietaylor @novabbs.com.invalid (bertietaylor) - 2024-06-28 03:40 +0000
          Re: Space and spacetime Beuford Turarov <urtuue@tetr.ru> - 2024-06-28 10:32 +0000
            Re: Space and spacetime bertietaylor @novabbs.com.invalid (bertietaylor) - 2024-06-28 14:09 +0000
              Re: Space and spacetime nisha parveen <plnih@aeaiees.in> - 2024-06-28 22:09 +0000
                Re: Space and spacetime bertietaylor @novabbs.com.invalid (bertietaylor) - 2024-06-28 23:03 +0000
      Re: Space and spacetime Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2024-06-27 06:56 -0700
        Re: Space and spacetime Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2024-06-30 00:37 +0000
          Re: Space and spacetime hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-06-30 02:34 +0000
            Re: Space and spacetime Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2024-06-29 20:49 -0700
            Re: Space and spacetime bertietaylor @novabbs.com.invalid (bertietaylor) - 2024-06-30 04:49 +0000
              Re: Space and spacetime bertietaylor @novabbs.com.invalid (bertietaylor) - 2024-06-30 10:12 +0000
          Re: Space and spacetime Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2024-06-29 20:47 -0700
      Re: Space and spacetime Harlie Paraskos <aah@rhioah.gr> - 2024-06-27 14:56 +0000
      Re: Space and spacetime Baudilio Ibáñez Lang <bii@ed.es> - 2024-06-27 15:15 +0000
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