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| From | peter <peter.noreply@tin.it> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: Nested definitions |
| Date | 2025-07-03 19:42 +0200 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <20250703194202.0000508f@tin.it> (permalink) |
| References | (1 earlier) <1042s2o$3d58h$1@dont-email.me> <nnd$42f4ab46$0b513441@af5c09ac13877827> <1043831$3ggg9$1@dont-email.me> <nnd$7e37e0d7$356d78f7@89cf9450fb9d15a4> <1046c6b$8gru$1@dont-email.me> |
On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 20:47:07 +0400
Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2025-07-03 17:11, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
> > In article <1043831$3ggg9$1@dont-email.me>,
> > Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 2025-07-02 15:37, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
> >>> In article <1042s2o$3d58h$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>> Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 2025-06-24 01:03, minforth wrote:
> >>>> [...]
> >>>>
> >>>>> For me, the small syntax extension is a convenience when working
> >>>>> with longer definitions. A bit contrived (:= synonym for TO):
> >>>>>
> >>>>> : SOME-APP { a f: b c | temp == n: flag z: freq }
> >>>>> \ inputs: integer a, floats b c
> >>>>> \ uninitialized: float temp
> >>>>> \ outputs: integer flag, complex freq
> >>>>> <: FUNC < ... calc function ... > ;>
> >>>>
> >>>> BTW, why do you prefer the special syntax `<: ... ;>`
> >>>> over an extension to the existing words `:` and `;`
> >>>>
> >>>> : SOME-APP
> >>>> [ : FUNC < ... calc function ... > ; ]
> >>>> < ... >
> >>>> ;
> >>>>
> >>>> In this approach the word `:` knows that it's a nested
> >>>> definition and behaves accordingly.
> >>>
> >>> Or it has not even know it, if [ is smart enough to compile a
> >>> jump to after ].
> >>
> >> This can be tricky because the following should work:
> >>
> >> create foo [ 123 , ] [ 456 ,
> >>
> >> : bar [ ' foo compile, 123 lit, ] ;
> >
> > If this bothers you, rename it in [[ ]].
> >
> > Once we enhance [ ] to do things prohibited by the standard,
> > (adding nested definitions) I can't be bothered with this too much.
>
>
> The standard does not prohibit a system from supporting nested
> definitions in whichever way that does not violate the standard
> behavior.
>
>
> Yes, something like "private[ ... ]private" is a possible approach,
> and its implementation seems simpler than adding the smarts to `:`
> and `;` (and other defining words, if any).
>
> The advantage of this approach over "<: ... ;>" is that you can
> define not only colon-definitions, but also constants, variables,
> immediate words, one-time macros, etc.
>
>
> : foo ( F: r.coefficient -- r.result )
> private[
> variable cnt
> 0e fvalue k
> : [x] ... ; immediate
> ]private
> to k 0 cnt !
> ...
> ;
>
> It's also possible to associated the word list of private words with
> the containing word xt for debugging purposes.
>
>
> --
> Ruvim
>
In lxf I have module, private, public, end-module
your example would be
module
private
variable cnt
0e fvalue k
: [x] ... ; immediate
public
: foo ( F: r.coefficient -- r.result )
to k 0 cnt !
...
;
end-module
end-module will remove all headers from the private words in the module
I am not found of mixing definitions inside others.
BR
Peter
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Re: Vector sum (was: Parsing timestamps?) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-19 14:39 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? minforth <minforth@gmx.net> - 2025-07-16 18:15 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-16 16:23 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? minforth <minforth@gmx.net> - 2025-07-16 19:17 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-17 13:56 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? minforth <minforth@gmx.net> - 2025-07-17 18:02 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-16 16:02 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? mhx@iae.nl (mhx) - 2025-07-16 21:12 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-17 12:41 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? mhx@iae.nl (mhx) - 2025-07-18 05:25 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2025-07-14 01:24 -0700
Re: Parsing timestamps? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-14 10:11 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-07-18 17:44 +1000
Re: Parsing timestamps? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-18 15:34 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-07-20 13:16 +1000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2025-07-21 13:28 -0700
Re: Parsing timestamps? dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-07-22 11:52 +1000
Re: Parsing timestamps? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-11 08:33 +0000
Re: Floats minforth <minforth@gmx.net> - 2025-07-12 06:53 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? minforth <minforth@gmx.net> - 2025-07-11 09:09 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-11 07:02 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2025-07-11 01:15 -0700
Re: Parsing timestamps? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-11 10:14 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2025-06-30 02:44 -0700
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-30 09:52 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? melahi_ahmed@yahoo.fr (Ahmed) - 2025-06-30 10:25 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-30 10:43 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-07-01 18:53 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-06-30 13:07 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2025-06-29 15:26 -0700
Re: Parsing timestamps? dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-06-30 13:37 +1000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2025-06-29 23:18 -0700
Re: Parsing timestamps? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-06-29 20:25 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? sean@conman.org - 2025-06-30 01:43 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-07-01 19:34 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-06-24 16:37 +0000
Nested definitions (was: Parsing timestamps?) Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2025-07-02 12:53 +0400
Re: Nested definitions minforth <minforth@gmx.net> - 2025-07-02 11:02 +0200
Re: Nested definitions Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2025-07-02 13:50 +0400
Re: Nested definitions minforth <minforth@gmx.net> - 2025-07-02 18:15 +0200
Re: Nested definitions (was: Parsing timestamps?) albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-07-02 13:37 +0200
Re: Nested definitions Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2025-07-02 16:18 +0400
Re: Nested definitions anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-02 15:12 +0000
Re: Nested definitions minforth <minforth@gmx.net> - 2025-07-02 18:34 +0200
Re: Nested definitions Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2025-07-02 20:58 +0400
Re: Nested definitions anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-03 08:34 +0000
Re: Nested definitions albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-07-03 15:11 +0200
Re: Nested definitions Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2025-07-03 20:47 +0400
Re: Nested definitions peter <peter.noreply@tin.it> - 2025-07-03 19:42 +0200
Re: Nested definitions minforth@gmx.net (minforth) - 2025-07-03 18:46 +0000
Re: Nested definitions Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2025-07-03 23:47 +0400
Re: Nested definitions Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2025-07-04 00:11 +0400
Re: Nested definitions albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-07-03 20:57 +0200
Re: Nested definitions Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-07-07 14:31 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? mhx@iae.nl (mhx) - 2025-06-23 05:40 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? minforth@gmx.net (minforth) - 2025-06-23 10:02 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? mhx@iae.nl (mhx) - 2025-06-23 13:34 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? minforth@gmx.net (minforth) - 2025-06-23 15:09 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-23 05:05 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-23 13:52 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-23 12:49 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-23 15:50 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-23 18:48 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-24 11:12 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-06-24 10:29 +0100
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-24 14:00 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-06-10 12:48 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-10 11:08 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 14:44 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-10 12:56 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 16:28 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 14:29 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-10 12:48 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 16:48 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-10 20:56 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-11 11:18 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? Stephen Pelc <stephen@vfxforth.com> - 2025-06-11 11:39 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 16:56 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? "B. Pym" <Nobody447095@here-nor-there.org> - 2025-06-09 12:34 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? "B. Pym" <Nobody447095@here-nor-there.org> - 2025-06-10 09:18 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 20:32 +1000
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-10 10:43 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-06-11 00:58 +1000
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-10 15:39 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 18:02 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-10 17:34 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-10 17:39 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-06-11 11:49 +1000
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-11 09:04 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-06-11 20:49 +1000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-11 11:50 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-11 09:58 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-11 13:25 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-06-11 12:18 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-11 13:23 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-11 11:41 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? "B. Pym" <Nobody447095@here-nor-there.org> - 2025-06-11 09:25 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-06-11 21:51 +1000
Re: Parsing timestamps? "B. Pym" <Nobody447095@here-nor-there.org> - 2025-07-29 15:07 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? "B. Pym" <Nobody447095@here-nor-there.org> - 2025-07-29 15:22 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-07-30 03:35 +1000
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