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| Date | 2025-07-07 14:31 +0200 |
|---|---|
| Subject | Re: Nested definitions |
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| References | (1 earlier) <1042s2o$3d58h$1@dont-email.me> <nnd$42f4ab46$0b513441@af5c09ac13877827> <1043831$3ggg9$1@dont-email.me> <nnd$7e37e0d7$356d78f7@89cf9450fb9d15a4> <1046c6b$8gru$1@dont-email.me> |
| From | Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> |
| Message-ID | <nnd$54fe5124$2788b2d5@cf5da7fcbb244b77> (permalink) |
| Organization | KPN B.V. |
On 03-07-2025 18:47, Ruvim wrote:
> On 2025-07-03 17:11, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
>> In article <1043831$3ggg9$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2025-07-02 15:37, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
>>>> In article <1042s2o$3d58h$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>> Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-06-24 01:03, minforth wrote:
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>>> For me, the small syntax extension is a convenience when working
>>>>>> with longer definitions. A bit contrived (:= synonym for TO):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> : SOME-APP { a f: b c | temp == n: flag z: freq }
>>>>>> \ inputs: integer a, floats b c
>>>>>> \ uninitialized: float temp
>>>>>> \ outputs: integer flag, complex freq
>>>>>> <: FUNC < ... calc function ... > ;>
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, why do you prefer the special syntax `<: ... ;>`
>>>>> over an extension to the existing words `:` and `;`
>>>>>
>>>>> : SOME-APP
>>>>> [ : FUNC < ... calc function ... > ; ]
>>>>> < ... >
>>>>> ;
>>>>>
>>>>> In this approach the word `:` knows that it's a nested definition and
>>>>> behaves accordingly.
>>>>
>>>> Or it has not even know it, if [ is smart enough to compile a jump to
>>>> after ].
>>>
>>> This can be tricky because the following should work:
>>>
>>> create foo [ 123 , ] [ 456 ,
>>>
>>> : bar [ ' foo compile, 123 lit, ] ;
>>
>> If this bothers you, rename it in [[ ]].
>>
>> Once we enhance [ ] to do things prohibited by the standard,
>> (adding nested definitions) I can't be bothered with this too much.
>
>
> The standard does not prohibit a system from supporting nested
> definitions in whichever way that does not violate the standard behavior.
>
>
> Yes, something like "private[ ... ]private" is a possible approach, and
> its implementation seems simpler than adding the smarts to `:` and `;`
> (and other defining words, if any).
>
> The advantage of this approach over "<: ... ;>" is that you can define
> not only colon-definitions, but also constants, variables, immediate
> words, one-time macros, etc.
>
>
> : foo ( F: r.coefficient -- r.result )
> private[
> variable cnt
> 0e fvalue k
> : [x] ... ; immediate
> ]private
> to k 0 cnt !
> ...
> ;
>
> It's also possible to associated the word list of private words with the
> containing word xt for debugging purposes.
4tH has always allowed it, since it considered : and ; as branches -
like AHEAD. Since [: and ;] are just :NONAME and ; aliases they work
essentially the same.
I never used it, because it would cause portability issues - and I
considered it "bad style".
The same goes for allocation (VARIABLE, VALUE, STRING, ARRAY). These are
in 4tH basically just directives - NOTHING IS ACTUALLY ALLOCATED. That
works just fine.
So the whole shebang would practically work out of the box. But of
course, to follow the complete example, I had to do the FP stuff as well
- and I wanted to do a bit of protecting the words between the tags.
In short, that boils down to this (for FOO):
1018| branch 1036 foo
1019| literal 1020
1020| branch 1030 <== jump after opcode 1030
1021| literal 0 <== mantissa 0
1022| literal 0 <== exponent 0
1023| variable 2 *k_f
1024| call 0 2!
1025| branch 1027 k <== DOES> definition
1026| variable 2 *k_f
1027| branch 7 2@ <== end DOES> def.
1028| branch 1029 [x]
1029| exit 0
1030| exit 0 <== end of "private"
1031| drop 0 <== drop the XT
1032| variable 2 *k_f
1033| call 0 2!
1034| literal 0
1035| to 1 cnt
1036| exit 0
Which is the compilant of this (preprocessor) code:
:macro ... ;
:macro private[ [: ;
:macro ]private ;] drop ;
:macro 0e 0 S>F ;
include lib/fp1.4th
include 4pp/lib/fvalue.4pp
: foo ( F: r.coefficient -- r.result )
private[
variable cnt
0e fvalue k
: [x] ... ; immediate
]private
fto k 0 cnt !
...
;
100 s>f foo k f. cnt ? cr
The weird code generated from 1021 - 1027 is the result of this code
(generated by the preprocessor):
0 S>F FLOAT ARRAY k
AKA k *k_f LATEST F! :REDO k F@ ;
1. FP "zero" is thrown on the stack;
2. A variable with the capacity of a "float" is created (FVARIABLE);
3. Copy that symbol in the symbol table;
4. Initialize the FP variable;
5. Create a "DOES>" definition that fetches that value.
But it *does* work as advertised..
Hans Bezemer
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Re: Parsing timestamps? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2025-07-14 11:31 -0700
Re: Parsing timestamps? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-16 11:25 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-16 15:39 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? peter <peter.noreply@tin.it> - 2025-07-17 10:14 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-17 12:54 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? peter <peter.noreply@tin.it> - 2025-07-17 22:48 +0200
Vector sum (was: Parsing timestamps?) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-19 10:18 +0000
Re: Vector sum minforth <minforth@gmx.net> - 2025-07-19 13:53 +0200
Re: Vector sum anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-19 14:51 +0000
Re: Vector sum minforth <minforth@gmx.net> - 2025-07-20 06:27 +0200
Re: Vector sum (was: Parsing timestamps?) peter <peter.noreply@tin.it> - 2025-07-19 15:24 +0200
Re: Vector sum (was: Parsing timestamps?) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-19 14:39 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? minforth <minforth@gmx.net> - 2025-07-16 18:15 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-16 16:23 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? minforth <minforth@gmx.net> - 2025-07-16 19:17 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-17 13:56 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? minforth <minforth@gmx.net> - 2025-07-17 18:02 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-16 16:02 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? mhx@iae.nl (mhx) - 2025-07-16 21:12 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-17 12:41 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? mhx@iae.nl (mhx) - 2025-07-18 05:25 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2025-07-14 01:24 -0700
Re: Parsing timestamps? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-14 10:11 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-07-18 17:44 +1000
Re: Parsing timestamps? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-18 15:34 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-07-20 13:16 +1000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2025-07-21 13:28 -0700
Re: Parsing timestamps? dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-07-22 11:52 +1000
Re: Parsing timestamps? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-11 08:33 +0000
Re: Floats minforth <minforth@gmx.net> - 2025-07-12 06:53 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? minforth <minforth@gmx.net> - 2025-07-11 09:09 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-11 07:02 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2025-07-11 01:15 -0700
Re: Parsing timestamps? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-11 10:14 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2025-06-30 02:44 -0700
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-30 09:52 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? melahi_ahmed@yahoo.fr (Ahmed) - 2025-06-30 10:25 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-30 10:43 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-07-01 18:53 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-06-30 13:07 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2025-06-29 15:26 -0700
Re: Parsing timestamps? dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-06-30 13:37 +1000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2025-06-29 23:18 -0700
Re: Parsing timestamps? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-06-29 20:25 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? sean@conman.org - 2025-06-30 01:43 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-07-01 19:34 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-06-24 16:37 +0000
Nested definitions (was: Parsing timestamps?) Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2025-07-02 12:53 +0400
Re: Nested definitions minforth <minforth@gmx.net> - 2025-07-02 11:02 +0200
Re: Nested definitions Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2025-07-02 13:50 +0400
Re: Nested definitions minforth <minforth@gmx.net> - 2025-07-02 18:15 +0200
Re: Nested definitions (was: Parsing timestamps?) albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-07-02 13:37 +0200
Re: Nested definitions Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2025-07-02 16:18 +0400
Re: Nested definitions anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-02 15:12 +0000
Re: Nested definitions minforth <minforth@gmx.net> - 2025-07-02 18:34 +0200
Re: Nested definitions Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2025-07-02 20:58 +0400
Re: Nested definitions anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-07-03 08:34 +0000
Re: Nested definitions albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-07-03 15:11 +0200
Re: Nested definitions Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2025-07-03 20:47 +0400
Re: Nested definitions peter <peter.noreply@tin.it> - 2025-07-03 19:42 +0200
Re: Nested definitions minforth@gmx.net (minforth) - 2025-07-03 18:46 +0000
Re: Nested definitions Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2025-07-03 23:47 +0400
Re: Nested definitions Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2025-07-04 00:11 +0400
Re: Nested definitions albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-07-03 20:57 +0200
Re: Nested definitions Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-07-07 14:31 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? mhx@iae.nl (mhx) - 2025-06-23 05:40 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? minforth@gmx.net (minforth) - 2025-06-23 10:02 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? mhx@iae.nl (mhx) - 2025-06-23 13:34 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? minforth@gmx.net (minforth) - 2025-06-23 15:09 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-23 05:05 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-23 13:52 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-23 12:49 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-23 15:50 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-23 18:48 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-24 11:12 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-06-24 10:29 +0100
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-24 14:00 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-06-10 12:48 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-10 11:08 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 14:44 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-10 12:56 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 16:28 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 14:29 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-10 12:48 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 16:48 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-10 20:56 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-11 11:18 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? Stephen Pelc <stephen@vfxforth.com> - 2025-06-11 11:39 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 16:56 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? "B. Pym" <Nobody447095@here-nor-there.org> - 2025-06-09 12:34 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? "B. Pym" <Nobody447095@here-nor-there.org> - 2025-06-10 09:18 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 20:32 +1000
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-10 10:43 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-06-11 00:58 +1000
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-10 15:39 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 18:02 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-10 17:34 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-10 17:39 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-06-11 11:49 +1000
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-11 09:04 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-06-11 20:49 +1000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-11 11:50 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-11 09:58 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-11 13:25 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-06-11 12:18 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-11 13:23 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-11 11:41 +0200
Re: Parsing timestamps? "B. Pym" <Nobody447095@here-nor-there.org> - 2025-06-11 09:25 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-06-11 21:51 +1000
Re: Parsing timestamps? "B. Pym" <Nobody447095@here-nor-there.org> - 2025-07-29 15:07 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? "B. Pym" <Nobody447095@here-nor-there.org> - 2025-07-29 15:22 +0000
Re: Parsing timestamps? dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-07-30 03:35 +1000
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