Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks"

From	Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks"
Date	2024-03-06 14:02 +0200
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On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 22:58:10 -0000 (UTC)
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 11:11:03 +0200, Michael S wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 01:54:46 -0000 (UTC)
> > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> >   
> >> Discord did some benchmarking of its back-end servers, which had
> >> been using Go, and decided that switching to Rust offered better
> >> performance.  
> > 
> > - for big and complex real-world back-end processing, writing
> > working solution in go will take 5 time less man hours than writing
> > it in Rust  
> 
> Nevertheless, they found the switch to Rust worthwhile.

I read a little more about it.
https://discord.com/blog/why-discord-is-switching-from-go-to-rust

Summary: performance of one of Discord's most heavy-duty servers
suffered from weakness in implementation of Go garbage collector. On
average the performance was satisfactory, but every two minutes there
was spike in latency.  The latency during the spike was not that big
(300 msec), but they stilled were feeling that they want better.
They tried to tune GC, but the problem appeared to be fundamental.
So they just rewrote this particular server in Rust. Naturally, Rust
does not collect garbage, so this particular problem disappeared.

The key phrase of the story is "This service was a great candidate to
port to Rust since it was small and self-contained".
I'd add to this that even more important for eventual success of
migration was the fact that at time of rewrite server was already
running for several years, so requirements were stable and
well-understood.
Another factor is that their service does not create/free that many
objects. The delay was caused by mere fact of GC scanning rather than
by frequent compacting of memory pools. So, from the beginning it was
obvious that potential fragmentation of the heap, which is the main
weakness of "plain" C/C++/Rust based solutions for Web back-ends, does
not apply in their case.

There is also non-technical angle involved: Discord is fueled by
investor's money. It's not that they have no revenues at all, but their
revenues at this stage are not supposed to cover their expenses.
Companies that operate in such mode have different
perspective to just about everything. I mean, different from
perspective of people like myself, working in a company that fights hard
to stay profitable and succeeds more often than not.

I have few questions about the story, most important one is whether the
weakness of this sort is specific to GC of Go, due to its relative
immaturity or more general and applies equally to most mature GCs on
the market, i.e. J2EE and .NET. 
Another question is whether the problem is specific to GC-style of 
automatic memory management (AMM) or applies, at least to some degree,
to other forms of AMM, most importantly, to AMMs based on Reference
Counting used by Swift and also popular in C++.
Of course, I don't expected that my questions will be answered fully on
comp.lang.c, but if some knowledgeable posters will try to answer I
would appreciate.

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                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-06 19:50 +0000
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-06 21:13 +0100
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-03-08 21:36 -0800
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-12 00:07 +0000
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-03-11 20:05 -0700
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-03-06 19:27 -0500
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-07 03:06 +0000
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-03-07 14:28 -0500
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-07 23:44 +0000
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-06 07:42 -0800
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-06 14:14 -0800
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-05 13:58 -0800
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-05 14:02 -0800
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-06 14:34 +0100
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-06 14:13 -0800
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-07 23:43 +0000
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-08 09:01 +0100
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-12 00:03 +0000
      Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-03-04 11:54 +0000
        Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-04 15:41 +0100
          Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-03-04 15:28 +0000
          Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-03-04 18:51 +0000
          Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-04 21:11 +0000
            Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-05 11:31 +0100
              Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-06 00:25 +0000
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-06 14:40 +0100
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    Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-04 12:52 -0800
  Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-03-05 21:51 +0800
    Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-03-06 15:43 +0800
      Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-03-12 15:54 -0300
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