Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks"

From	Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks"
Date	2024-03-07 00:00 +0200
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On Wed, 6 Mar 2024 12:28:59 +0000
bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:

> On 06/03/2024 12:02, Michael S wrote:
> > On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 22:58:10 -0000 (UTC)
> > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> >   
> >> On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 11:11:03 +0200, Michael S wrote:
> >>  
> >>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 01:54:46 -0000 (UTC)
> >>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> >>>      
> >>>> Discord did some benchmarking of its back-end servers, which had
> >>>> been using Go, and decided that switching to Rust offered better
> >>>> performance.  
> >>>
> >>> - for big and complex real-world back-end processing, writing
> >>> working solution in go will take 5 time less man hours than
> >>> writing it in Rust  
> >>
> >> Nevertheless, they found the switch to Rust worthwhile.  
> > 
> > I read a little more about it.
> > https://discord.com/blog/why-discord-is-switching-from-go-to-rust
> > 
> > Summary: performance of one of Discord's most heavy-duty servers
> > suffered from weakness in implementation of Go garbage collector. On
> > average the performance was satisfactory, but every two minutes
> > there was spike in latency.  The latency during the spike was not
> > that big (300 msec), but they stilled were feeling that they want
> > better. They tried to tune GC, but the problem appeared to be
> > fundamental. So they just rewrote this particular server in Rust.
> > Naturally, Rust does not collect garbage, so this particular
> > problem disappeared.
> > 
> > The key phrase of the story is "This service was a great candidate
> > to port to Rust since it was small and self-contained".
> > I'd add to this that even more important for eventual success of
> > migration was the fact that at time of rewrite server was already
> > running for several years, so requirements were stable and
> > well-understood.
> > Another factor is that their service does not create/free that many
> > objects. The delay was caused by mere fact of GC scanning rather
> > than by frequent compacting of memory pools. So, from the beginning
> > it was obvious that potential fragmentation of the heap, which is
> > the main weakness of "plain" C/C++/Rust based solutions for Web
> > back-ends, does not apply in their case.  
> 
>  From the same link:
> 
> "Rust uses a relatively unique memory management approach that 
> incorporates the idea of memory “ownership”. Basically, Rust keeps
> track of who can read and write to memory. It knows when the program
> is using memory and immediately frees the memory once it is no longer
> needed. It enforces memory rules at compile time, making it virtually
> impossible to have runtime memory bugs.⁴ You do not need to manually
> keep track of memory. The compiler takes care of it."
> 
> This suggests the language automatically takes care of this.

Takes care of what?
AFAIK, heap fragmentation is as bad problem in Rust as it is in
C/Pascal/Ada etc... In this aspect Rust is clearly inferior to GC-based
languages like Java, C# or Go.

> But you 
> have to write your programs in a certain way to make it possible. The 
> programmer has to help the language keep track of what owns what.
> 
> So you will probably be able to do the same thing in another
> language. But Rust will do more compile-time enforcement by
> restricting how you share objects in memory.
> 
>

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                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-03-06 19:50 +0000
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-03-06 14:14 -0500
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-06 19:50 +0000
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-06 21:13 +0100
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-03-08 21:36 -0800
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-12 00:07 +0000
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-03-11 20:05 -0700
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-03-06 19:27 -0500
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-07 03:06 +0000
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-03-07 14:28 -0500
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-07 23:44 +0000
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-06 07:42 -0800
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-06 14:14 -0800
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-05 13:58 -0800
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-05 14:02 -0800
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-06 14:34 +0100
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-06 14:13 -0800
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-07 23:43 +0000
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-08 09:01 +0100
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-12 00:03 +0000
      Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-03-04 11:54 +0000
        Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-04 15:41 +0100
          Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-03-04 15:28 +0000
          Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-03-04 18:51 +0000
          Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-04 21:11 +0000
            Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-05 11:31 +0100
              Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-06 00:25 +0000
                Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-06 14:40 +0100
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    Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-04 12:52 -0800
  Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-03-05 21:51 +0800
    Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-03-06 15:43 +0800
      Re: "White House to Developers: Using C or C++ Invites Cybersecurity Risks" Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-03-12 15:54 -0300
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