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| From | Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> |
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| Newsgroups | sci.stat.math, sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: statistics in Roberts' paper on Miller |
| Date | 2023-03-08 15:33 +0300 |
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Hello, Tom:
> I am the author of the arxiv paper 0608238v2.pdf, from
> 1986.
I find your statistical procedure in section IV described
somewhat hurriedly so that I, as well as some other readers,
had trouble understanding it. Below I describe in detail and
with equations, yet with maximum concision, my best
understanding of your transformations of the raw Miller
data. Please, let me know whether I interpolate them
correctly. I hope it will enable statisticians to see your
procedure with better clarity.
The raw data is a series of 20 runs, or interferometer
revolusions (r), with fringe shift observations (S) taken at
sixteen equidistant azimuths (a): S[r,a], where 1<=r<=20 and
1<=a<=16. You propose a model expressing the observations as
a combination of aether drift D and systematic error E:
S[r,a] = D[a] + E[t] ,
where the drift is a function of orientation and the error a
function of time. Time, in turn, may be considered equal to
the observation number within the entire run, expressed in
the number of revolutions:
t[r,a] = r + (a-1)/16 ,
so that a function of (r,a) is also a function of time, and:
E[r,a] = E(t) = E[r + (a-1)/16] .
You then observe that the signal D[a] may be cancelled out
by subtracting the first run form the rest for each azimuth.
Taking advantage, however, of the half-periodic symmetry in
the predicted effect, you combine the observations half a
cycle apart, defining eight interleaved sequences Ed[a] of
systematic-error differences:
Ed[r,a] = E[r,a] - E[1,a]
Ed[a](r + (a-1)/16) = S[r,a] - S[1,a] ,
each of which evaluates twice per revolution. From now on,
the azimuth of the folded data is in [1,8]. These eight
Ed[a]'s are plotted in your figure 10.
Whereas Ed[a] are interlevaed in time, it is reasonable to
assume they should combine into a single smooth function of
systematic-error difference Edc(t) with 8*2*20 = 320
equidistant samples:
Edc(t) = Ed[a](t) + B[a], 1 <= a <= 8 .
Edc(t) is specified with eight degrees of freedom,
corresponding to the baselines B[a] of the error-differences
for individual combined orientations. Since the whole model
is invariant to a constant additive, you fixed the baseline
of the first sequence at zero:
B[1] = 0
ending up with seven degrees of freedom, wich you fitted on
a computer to obtain as smooth a Edc(t) as possible.
Knowing B[a], the systematic error can be restored:
E[r,a ] = S[r,a ] - S[1,a ] + B[a]
E[r,a+8] = S[r,a+8] - S[1,a+8] + B[a] .
And the ether-drift is calculated by subtracting the error
from the raw data:
D[a] = S[r,a] - E[r,a] .
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