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Re: Recent history of vi

From Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc, alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: Recent history of vi
Date 2025-11-16 09:31 -0500
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rbowman wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:

> On 15 Nov 2025 18:48:51 GMT, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>
>
>> I find it takes a lot of munging to get vim to *really* work like vi.
>> The one on FreeBSD which I think is technically "nex" is much closer out
>> of the box.
>
>:he compatible   has the disclaimer
>
> When this option is set, numerous other options are set to make Vim as
> Vi-compatible as possible. 
>
> The Arch vi is the real thing.

You sure about that. ex-vi, vim.tiny, nvi are all close, but not
even this one is the "real" vi:

    <https://github.com/n-t-roff/heirloom-ex-vi>

For example, it adds UTF-8 support.

> I've no idea what version it is because 
> real vi doesn't do --version or much of anything useful. 

I first learned vi using pc-vi around 1985. My first try at it
confused the *hell* out of me, but eventually I got the hang of
it. I also used microEmacs for awhile.

Apparently Bill Joy hates vi now. It's like Dennis Ritchie using
Windows :-(

But...

<https://anders.unix.se/2015/10/26/interview-with-dennis-ritchie-2003/?>

    Q: Could you please describe a typical work day at Bell Labs?
       What software do you use?

    A: I tend to come in late unless there’s a meeting, but spend
       a fair amount of time tending to e-mail communication. My
       own environment (on PC hardware) actually runs Windows NT,
       but it is used mainly as a graphics terminal connected to a
       Plan 9 server, in a way approximately analogous to an X
       windows client. The connection at home is now via cable
       modem (until last summer ISDN), and Ethernet at the office.
       Any editing, software work, and mail is done in this
       exported Plan 9. For stuff like getting Excel and Word
       things, plus much WWW browsing, I revert to NT.

-- 
I'm not a level-headed person...        -- Bruce Perens

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                Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-17 04:08 +0000
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                Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:28 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 20:19 +0000
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                Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 21:23 +0000
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                Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-22 03:20 +0000
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                Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-22 17:55 +0100
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                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-22 21:43 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-23 00:23 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-23 02:17 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-23 09:42 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-23 14:59 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-23 13:09 -0800
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 22:57 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 02:56 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-22 20:18 -0700
                Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-24 01:45 +0000
                Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-23 18:06 -0800
                Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-24 02:13 +0000
                Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-24 02:23 +0000
                Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-11-24 04:56 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-27 19:55 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-28 22:08 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-22 20:25 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-27 20:02 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-27 20:16 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-27 21:18 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-19 02:37 +0100
                ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") (was: Recent history of vi) Michael Bäuerle <michael.baeuerle@stz-e.de> - 2025-11-19 14:58 +0100
                Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") (was: Recent history of vi) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-20 02:09 +0000
                Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-19 20:16 -0700
                Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-20 08:47 +0000
                Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-20 11:10 +0000
                Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-20 17:57 +0000
                Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Ralf Fassel <ralfixx@gmx.de> - 2025-11-21 12:24 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2025-11-19 13:02 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-11-23 16:25 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2025-11-25 10:26 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-25 20:05 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-25 23:04 -0500
                Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-27 20:10 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-27 20:19 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-27 20:44 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-28 07:54 -0500
                Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-28 22:10 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> - 2025-11-29 13:13 +1300
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-29 02:57 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 13:35 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 13:45 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-29 15:06 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 11:20 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-29 12:45 -0700
                Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:37 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 11:06 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-30 16:20 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 18:33 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> - 2025-12-01 11:09 +1300
                Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 12:29 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 13:23 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-30 16:56 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> - 2025-12-01 11:18 +1300
                Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-01 01:55 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Anthk NM <anthk@disroot.org> - 2025-11-23 12:48 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-23 17:51 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 20:11 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:26 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-17 11:44 -0500
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:57 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-11-15 19:52 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-16 09:50 -0500
                Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 18:56 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-17 11:24 -0500
                Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 00:43 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 03:20 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 16:14 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-17 19:39 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:24 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 19:41 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:00 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:56 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 21:25 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-14 04:21 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 23:40 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-14 07:05 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 02:48 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-16 03:53 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 13:45 +0100
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-14 19:29 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-14 10:22 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-14 10:35 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 15:55 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-15 02:07 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 15:47 -0500
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:36 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:04 +0000
        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 08:57 +0100
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 08:13 +0000
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 20:50 +0000
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 21:01 +0000
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 22:40 +0100
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-11-10 21:54 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:14 +0100
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 22:21 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 00:21 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 00:43 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-11 00:35 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-11 01:40 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 00:48 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-11 08:53 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-11-11 11:42 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:25 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:21 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:56 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-11 08:38 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:43 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:43 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:50 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:11 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:24 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-12 16:22 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 10:59 +0000
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-11 17:14 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:28 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:48 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-12 11:20 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:31 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:08 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:22 +0000
        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 09:05 +0000
      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:29 -0500
        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-11-10 11:56 +0000
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-11-10 13:03 +0000
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 22:23 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-10 22:38 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-11 00:07 +0000
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 16:48 +0000
      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 18:04 +0000
      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-11 16:52 +0000
        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-11 20:06 +0000
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-11 23:09 +0000
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 23:31 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 04:50 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-12 06:50 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:05 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-15 17:17 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-12 12:35 +0100
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-12 21:09 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:22 -0500
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-12 21:06 +0000
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:30 -0500
    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 19:28 +0000
      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:36 -0500
        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 07:46 +0000
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 23:22 -0500
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 20:16 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 00:08 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 19:58 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-12 07:21 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 02:26 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-12 08:35 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:29 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:07 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-13 04:59 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:57 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:19 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-13 20:16 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 21:17 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 01:54 +0100
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 21:33 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 14:04 +0100
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 16:27 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 22:44 +0100
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-11-14 13:24 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 17:03 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:10 +0000
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-11 21:07 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 00:56 -0500

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