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Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?)

From Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc, alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?)
Date 2025-11-15 22:07 +0000
Organization Some absurd concept
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In comp.os.linux.misc, rbowman  <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On 15 Nov 2025 18:48:51 GMT, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>> I find it takes a lot of munging to get vim to *really* work like vi.

:set compatible 

does a very good job. It does leave out some of the bugs. The nvi
implementation claims to be bug compatible, but then compare how
modelines work in Real vi versus nvi and you'll be unable to believe
that claim. I also don't think it supports "arbitrary ex mode command
in third column of a tags file":

   tagname	filename	operation

Invoke a tag with, say, ":tag tagname" and then it opens the named
file and runs the operation. In defanged editors, the only operations
supported are movements, like a :linenumber or /search-pattern/. In
real vi you can chain ex commands to do things like

	:1,20 w >>$HOME/.profile | 99

That's going to append twenty lines to the user's .profile and then
jump to line 99 of the file.

stevie / elvis / neovim / busybox vi / ... are at best vi flavored editor.

>> The one on FreeBSD which I think is technically "nex" is much closer out
>> of the box.

nex / nvi are the same, right?

> :he compatible   has the disclaimer
> 
> When this option is set, numerous other options are set to make Vim as
> Vi-compatible as possible. 
> 
> The Arch vi is the real thing. I've no idea what version it is because 
> real vi doesn't do --version or much of anything useful. 

In vi, the standard way to get the version is with ":version". It looks
like arch is using Heirloom Vi:

https://ex-vi.sourceforge.net/

That is a port of old code with many multibyte (eg UTF-8) fixes. It
should work with hardcopy terminals, which a lot of other vi
implementations (including vim) will not do. Those others expect you
to use ex mode on hardcopy terminals.

I learned vi on Digital Unix, A/UX, HP-UX, SunOS 4, and Solaris
2.(various), but I dabbled in vi clones for a long time, and was using
vim back in the 2.x versions. Elvis is still the default vi in
Slackware, and I've used recent versions of elvis for that reason. nvi
is default on NetBSD, and probably that FreeBSD one mentioned above. I
use NetBSD regularly and other BSDs very rarely.

In the vim distro there are sample macro packages. The ones to run
Conway's Game of Life were written by me on a Solaris box. The Solaris
vi can run them, but eventually it crashes out because there is a bug
that makes real vi (at least real vi of that era) forget marks after a
while. Vim will just work. Neovim fails to even start.

On the Debian system I'm working on right now those macros are in
/usr/share/vim/vim90/macros/life/

Elijah
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admits elvis is a pretty good vi imitation, but still not perfect

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                Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-11-16 23:51 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-18 20:04 +0100
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                Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-22 17:55 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-22 19:20 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-22 21:43 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-23 00:23 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-23 02:17 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-23 09:42 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-23 14:59 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-23 13:09 -0800
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 22:57 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 02:56 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-22 20:18 -0700
                Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-24 01:45 +0000
                Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-23 18:06 -0800
                Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-24 02:13 +0000
                Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-24 02:23 +0000
                Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-11-24 04:56 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-27 19:55 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-28 22:08 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-22 20:25 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-27 20:02 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-27 20:16 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-27 21:18 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-19 02:37 +0100
                ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") (was: Recent history of vi) Michael Bäuerle <michael.baeuerle@stz-e.de> - 2025-11-19 14:58 +0100
                Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") (was: Recent history of vi) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-20 02:09 +0000
                Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-19 20:16 -0700
                Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-20 08:47 +0000
                Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-20 11:10 +0000
                Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-20 17:57 +0000
                Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Ralf Fassel <ralfixx@gmx.de> - 2025-11-21 12:24 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2025-11-19 13:02 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-11-23 16:25 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2025-11-25 10:26 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-25 20:05 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-25 23:04 -0500
                Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-27 20:10 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-27 20:19 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-27 20:44 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-28 07:54 -0500
                Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-28 22:10 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> - 2025-11-29 13:13 +1300
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-29 02:57 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 13:35 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 13:45 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-29 15:06 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 11:20 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-29 12:45 -0700
                Re: Recent history of vi Anthk NM <anthk@disroot.org> - 2025-11-23 12:48 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-23 17:51 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 20:11 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:26 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-17 11:44 -0500
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:57 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-11-15 19:52 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-16 09:50 -0500
                Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 18:56 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-17 11:24 -0500
                Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 00:43 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 03:20 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 16:14 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-17 19:39 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:24 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 19:41 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:00 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:56 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 21:25 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-14 04:21 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 23:40 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-14 07:05 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 02:48 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-16 03:53 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 13:45 +0100
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-14 19:29 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-14 10:22 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-14 10:35 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 15:55 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-15 02:07 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 15:47 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:36 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:04 +0000
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 08:57 +0100
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 08:13 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 20:50 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 21:01 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 22:40 +0100
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-11-10 21:54 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:14 +0100
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 22:21 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 00:21 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 00:43 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-11 00:35 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-11 01:40 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 00:48 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-11 08:53 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-11-11 11:42 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:25 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:21 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:56 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-11 08:38 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:43 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:43 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:50 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:11 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:24 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-12 16:22 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 10:59 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-11 17:14 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:28 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:48 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-12 11:20 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:31 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:08 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:22 +0000
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 09:05 +0000
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:29 -0500
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-11-10 11:56 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-11-10 13:03 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 22:23 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-10 22:38 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-11 00:07 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 16:48 +0000
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 18:04 +0000
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-11 16:52 +0000
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-11 20:06 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-11 23:09 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 23:31 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 04:50 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-12 06:50 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:05 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-15 17:17 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-12 12:35 +0100
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-12 21:09 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:22 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-12 21:06 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:30 -0500
        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 19:28 +0000
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:36 -0500
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 07:46 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 23:22 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 20:16 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 00:08 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 19:58 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-12 07:21 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 02:26 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-12 08:35 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:29 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:07 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-13 04:59 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:57 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:19 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-13 20:16 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 21:17 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 01:54 +0100
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 21:33 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 14:04 +0100
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 16:27 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 22:44 +0100
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-11-14 13:24 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 17:03 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:10 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-11 21:07 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 00:56 -0500
  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:28 +0100
    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 12:45 +0000
      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 14:35 +0100
    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-08 22:15 +0000
      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 00:28 -0500
  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 20:29 +0000
    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-09 01:11 +0000
      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 02:37 +0000
        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 09:11 +0000
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 19:08 +0000

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