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Re: new polymer caps

From Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
Newsgroups sci.electronics.design
Subject Re: new polymer caps
Date 2025-09-05 19:23 +0200
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Am 05.09.25 um 17:12 schrieb john larkin:
> On Thu, 4 Sep 2025 20:13:42 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>

> Did you find that the polymers created noise?

They did in my circuit. One comparison may not be statistically
significant for the general case, but enough to think about
if there should be problems.

It seems the circuit is a magnifying glass.
16 CPH3910 in parallel for a *low* noise preamp (315 pV/rtHz),
gate at GND, sources fed from a current mirror CCS, cascode,
output amplifier in 10 dB steps to +80 dB.

There was no 1/f corner but 1/f**2 and that gets out of hand
quite fast. 40 dB/decade. Maybe a less ideal CCS would have
helped. Anyway, the effect wandered clearly with capacitor
type over 3 or 4 decades of noise corner frequency.
Just keep it in the back of your mind.

Evading the feedback somehow felt like a personal defeat
so I took a bit more gain from the cascode and replaced
the op amp by a BFS19S follower to drive the low impedance
sources. Burns some precious battery power. But it seems
to be fast enough and avoids the 1/f noise of the 3 GHz CFA.

BFS19 is EOL as Digikey wrote me last week.  :-(

cheers, Gerhard

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