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| Started by | Codger <codger524@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2026-04-11 10:00 +0100 |
| Last post | 2026-04-16 14:42 +0100 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 160 — 25 participants |
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BT Digital Voice with no router Codger <codger524@gmail.com> - 2026-04-11 10:00 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Codger <codger524@gmail.com> - 2026-04-11 10:30 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Bob Pullen <me@privacy.net> - 2026-04-11 11:02 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router angus@magsys.co.uk (Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd) - 2026-04-11 14:12 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2026-04-11 11:02 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-04-11 11:13 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-11 13:54 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-04-11 18:24 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Mike Humphrey <mail@michaelhumphrey.me.uk> - 2026-04-11 17:36 +0000
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-12 12:35 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-04-12 12:50 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-13 13:37 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-04-13 13:53 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-04-13 22:41 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-03 13:17 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-05-03 23:21 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-04 11:39 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-05-04 11:55 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-04 12:10 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-04 16:41 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2026-05-04 17:37 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-04 17:46 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-05 23:33 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2026-05-06 09:03 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-06 09:16 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Bob Eager <throwaway0008@eager.cx> - 2026-05-06 08:28 +0000
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2026-05-06 09:31 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2026-05-06 10:34 +0200
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-06 14:34 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-05-06 16:16 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2026-05-06 17:53 +0200
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-06 18:17 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-05-06 20:23 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2026-05-06 21:41 +0200
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-05-07 14:14 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-06 09:40 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-06 14:46 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-05-06 16:27 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-05-06 16:38 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-06 18:20 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-06 19:55 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2026-05-04 19:39 +0200
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-04 19:07 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2026-05-04 22:30 +0200
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2026-05-04 22:56 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-05 09:07 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-05 23:36 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2026-05-06 10:24 +0200
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-06 14:49 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2026-05-04 19:26 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2026-05-04 20:06 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-04 20:13 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-05 11:09 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-04 17:46 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-04 17:50 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-04 17:58 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-04 18:19 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2026-05-04 19:36 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2026-05-04 17:59 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2026-05-04 19:33 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-05 13:17 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2026-05-05 14:11 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-05 14:28 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-05 23:40 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-06 13:50 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-06 14:53 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-06 17:53 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Mark Carver <mark@invalid.com> - 2026-05-09 09:49 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-05 11:01 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-05-04 17:35 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-04 17:50 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-05 11:13 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-05-05 12:13 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-05 12:34 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-05 12:39 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-05 17:15 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-05-05 23:29 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-05-06 10:13 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-06 17:30 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-06 17:24 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-06 18:04 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2026-05-09 10:24 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 12:02 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> - 2026-05-10 10:56 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-10 18:50 +0100
OT: Steam (was: Re: BT Digital Voice with no router) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-10 20:16 +0100
Re: OT: Steam Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-11 12:12 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 13:13 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-05-11 18:25 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> - 2026-05-12 09:22 +0000
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-05-12 13:22 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> - 2026-05-12 14:21 +0000
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 15:34 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> - 2026-05-12 14:50 +0000
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-05-12 16:10 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2026-05-13 21:10 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 15:19 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-12 16:32 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 09:44 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2026-05-13 10:42 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 13:09 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router grinch <grinch@somewhere.net> - 2026-05-13 14:29 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 18:51 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-13 20:44 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> - 2026-05-13 13:51 +0000
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 18:53 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> - 2026-05-13 21:25 +0000
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2026-05-04 19:26 +0200
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-05 11:14 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-04 21:31 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Codger <codger524@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 08:52 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-05 11:15 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-05 12:23 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2026-05-05 22:46 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-06 09:15 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2026-05-06 11:44 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-25 18:00 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-05-26 14:53 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-04 12:18 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-04 14:13 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-04 21:36 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-05-04 14:28 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-04 12:14 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-04 14:11 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2026-05-05 07:39 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-05 12:25 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-05 13:29 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-04 12:08 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-05-04 14:24 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-04-13 23:35 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-04-14 09:13 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-04-14 18:43 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-04-14 18:51 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-04-14 20:00 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-04-15 09:56 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-04-15 09:56 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-03 13:14 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-03 13:29 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-03 14:08 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Rupert Moss-Eccardt <news@moss-eccardt.com> - 2026-05-03 16:43 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-03 18:39 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-03 22:39 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-04 09:15 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Rupert Moss-Eccardt <news@moss-eccardt.com> - 2026-05-03 16:43 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-05-03 18:15 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-04-12 15:40 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-04-11 18:39 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-04-11 19:59 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-04-12 08:39 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-04-12 13:08 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Rupert Moss-Eccardt <news@moss-eccardt.com> - 2026-04-19 14:29 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-04-11 20:55 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-04-11 22:08 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-04-12 08:42 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-04-12 09:33 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-04-12 13:08 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Mark Carver <mark@invalid.com> - 2026-04-11 11:15 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-04-11 12:43 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-04-16 13:59 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-04-16 14:42 +0100
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| From | Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-04 17:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10tai0s$3hrpu$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39454 |
On 04/05/2026 16:41, Richmond wrote: > > Has anyone calculated how much it costs to run a mobile phone? Claude > estimates £250-£450 per annum. So if mobile is the backup plan you have > to add that on to VOIP. And you have to add on the cost of fibre too. 20p a year if you don't use it, £40 a year if you only talk to other giffgaff users, £72 for unlimited calls and SMS, (if no mobile data). > As there is hardly any reception in my house, mobile phone calls are > expensive VOIP calls. Should be included in the above.
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| From | Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-04 17:46 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <82zf2f86m8.fsf@example.com> |
| In reply to | #39456 |
Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> writes: > On 04/05/2026 16:41, Richmond wrote: >> Has anyone calculated how much it costs to run a mobile phone? >> Claude >> estimates £250-£450 per annum. So if mobile is the backup plan you have >> to add that on to VOIP. And you have to add on the cost of fibre too. > > 20p a year if you don't use it, £40 a year if you only talk to other > giffgaff users, £72 for unlimited calls and SMS, (if no mobile data). That looks like the cost of a SIM card. A SIM card is no use without a phone. > >> As there is hardly any reception in my house, mobile phone calls are >> expensive VOIP calls. > > Should be included in the above. I don't know what you mean there.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-05 23:33 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10tdr8h$mte2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39458 |
On 2026/5/4 17:46:55, Richmond wrote: > Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> writes: [] >> 20p a year if you don't use it Who's that with? Less than my 2 pounds per 180 days (min, spend 10). >>, £40 a year if you only talk to other >> giffgaff users, £72 for unlimited calls and SMS, (if no mobile data). Is that one payment of 72, or 6 a month? (Again, who with?) [] >>> As there is hardly any reception in my house, mobile phone calls are >>> expensive VOIP calls. How much and with whom is your VoIP? >> >> Should be included in the above. > > I don't know what you mean there. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Purgamentum init, exit purgamentum." Translation: "Garbage in, garbage out."
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| From | Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-06 09:03 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10teskg$10ca3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39498 |
On 05/05/2026 23:33, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2026/5/4 17:46:55, Richmond wrote: >> Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> writes: > > [] >>> 20p a year if you don't use it > > Who's that with? Less than my 2 pounds per 180 days (min, spend 10). giffgaff. >>> , £40 a year if you only talk to other >>> giffgaff users, £72 for unlimited calls and SMS, (if no mobile data). > > Is that one payment of 72, or 6 a month? (Again, who with?) £6 a month with giffgaff (but you could leave gaps between the months)
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-06 09:16 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10tetdg$q6jk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39501 |
On 2026/5/6 9:3:29, Nick Finnigan wrote: > On 05/05/2026 23:33, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >> On 2026/5/4 17:46:55, Richmond wrote: >>> Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> writes: >> >> [] >>>> 20p a year if you don't use it >> >> Who's that with? Less than my 2 pounds per 180 days (min, spend 10). > > giffgaff. Oh, interesting. Whenever I've looked into them, I've always got the impression that there was something about them that expired if not used. > >>>> , £40 a year if you only talk to other >>>> giffgaff users, £72 for unlimited calls and SMS, (if no mobile data). >> >> Is that one payment of 72, or 6 a month? (Again, who with?) > > £6 a month with giffgaff (but you could leave gaps between the months) Is that what they call "goodie bags"? Do you get to keep the same number if you leave a gap? -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change [via Penny Mayes (mayes@pmail.net)]
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| From | Bob Eager <throwaway0008@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2026-05-06 08:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n60ce5Flom2U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #39503 |
On Wed, 06 May 2026 09:16:47 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > Oh, interesting. Whenever I've looked into them, I've always got the > impression that there was something about them that expired if not used. If you don't use it at all for (3 months?) they will warn you and eventually close the account. One text or call is enough to renew that. >> £6 a month with giffgaff (but you could leave gaps between the >> months) > > Is that what they call "goodie bags"? Do you get to keep the same number > if you leave a gap? Yes, goody bags. You still have the phone number in between, it's just PAYG.
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| From | Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-06 09:31 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10teu8f$10ca2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39503 |
On 06/05/2026 09:16, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2026/5/6 9:3:29, Nick Finnigan wrote: >> >> £6 a month with giffgaff (but you could leave gaps between the months) > > Is that what they call "goodie bags"? Do you get to keep the same number > if you leave a gap? They used to be goodie bags, now PAYG plans. When the plan ends, you revert to PAYG and the SIM/number expires after 6 months with no use. £5 payback if you get a mate to join + £5 credit to the mate. I assume you can't have too many mates at the same address.
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| From | David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-06 10:34 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <10teuem$11uaq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39503 |
On 06/05/2026 10:16, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2026/5/6 9:3:29, Nick Finnigan wrote: >> On 05/05/2026 23:33, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>> On 2026/5/4 17:46:55, Richmond wrote: >>>> Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> writes: >>> >>> [] >>>>> 20p a year if you don't use it >>> >>> Who's that with? Less than my 2 pounds per 180 days (min, spend 10). >> >> giffgaff. > > Oh, interesting. Whenever I've looked into them, I've always got the > impression that there was something about them that expired if not used. It does that is why its 20p if you don´t use it. You need to send a text every 180 days @ 10p per text, so in practice might stretch to 30p. They seem to e-mail you a reminder, so you need some credit, but so long as you text every 180 days you lose nothing. You can make calls etc but they are expensive at 25p a minute, unless you have a current goody bag. >> >>>>> , £40 a year if you only talk to other >>>>> giffgaff users, £72 for unlimited calls and SMS, (if no mobile data). >>> >>> Is that one payment of 72, or 6 a month? (Again, who with?) >> >> £6 a month with giffgaff (but you could leave gaps between the months) > > Is that what they call "goodie bags"? Do you get to keep the same number > if you leave a gap? Yes, you can select a pure a pay-as-you go service, you just put a 6 quid goody bag on when you need it. If you don't pay you keep the number. Just need one top-up every 6 Months to keep the SIM active. Dave
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-06 14:34 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10tfg0r$q6jj$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39507 |
On 2026/5/6 9:34:31, David Wade wrote: > On 06/05/2026 10:16, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >> On 2026/5/6 9:3:29, Nick Finnigan wrote: >>> On 05/05/2026 23:33, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>>> On 2026/5/4 17:46:55, Richmond wrote: >>>>> Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> writes: >>>> >>>> [] >>>>>> 20p a year if you don't use it >>>> >>>> Who's that with? Less than my 2 pounds per 180 days (min, spend 10). >>> >>> giffgaff. >> >> Oh, interesting. Whenever I've looked into them, I've always got the >> impression that there was something about them that expired if not used. > > It does that is why its 20p if you don´t use it. You need to send a text > every 180 days @ 10p per text, so in practice might stretch to 30p. They Got it. > seem to e-mail you a reminder, so you need some credit, but so long as > you text every 180 days you lose nothing. You can make calls etc but > they are expensive at 25p a minute, unless you have a current goody bag. > That's what I was remembering - that if you made a single call/sent a single text, it cut a hole in the current goodie bag, which then leaked out even if you used it no more. (More below) > >>> >>>>>> , £40 a year if you only talk to other >>>>>> giffgaff users, £72 for unlimited calls and SMS, (if no mobile data). >>>> >>>> Is that one payment of 72, or 6 a month? (Again, who with?) >>> >>> £6 a month with giffgaff (but you could leave gaps between the months) >> >> Is that what they call "goodie bags"? Do you get to keep the same number >> if you leave a gap? > > Yes, you can select a pure a pay-as-you go service, you just put a 6 > quid goody bag on when you need it. If you don't pay you keep the > number. Just need one top-up every 6 Months to keep the SIM active. > > Dave I didn't know, or had forgotten, that they offer true PAYG (however expensive) as well as "goody bags". Can you "hold" goody bags and stay on PAYG, or if you have a goodie bag and make a call/send a text, does that automatically start any GB you have? -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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| From | David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-06 16:16 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10tfm06$19eha$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39513 |
On 06/05/2026 14:34, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > Can you "hold" goody bags and stay on PAYG, or if you have a goodie bag > and make a call/send a text, does that automatically start any GB you have? Goody bags start as soon as there isn't a previous one running. You don't have to do anything beyond queuing it, to start one.
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| From | David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-06 17:53 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <10tfo64$1a4hm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39513 |
On 06/05/2026 15:34, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2026/5/6 9:34:31, David Wade wrote: >> On 06/05/2026 10:16, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>> On 2026/5/6 9:3:29, Nick Finnigan wrote: >>>> On 05/05/2026 23:33, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>>>> On 2026/5/4 17:46:55, Richmond wrote: >>>>>> Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> writes: >>>>> >>>>> [] >>>>>>> 20p a year if you don't use it >>>>> >>>>> Who's that with? Less than my 2 pounds per 180 days (min, spend 10). >>>> >>>> giffgaff. >>> >>> Oh, interesting. Whenever I've looked into them, I've always got the >>> impression that there was something about them that expired if not used. >> >> It does that is why its 20p if you don´t use it. You need to send a text >> every 180 days @ 10p per text, so in practice might stretch to 30p. They > > Got it. > >> seem to e-mail you a reminder, so you need some credit, but so long as >> you text every 180 days you lose nothing. You can make calls etc but >> they are expensive at 25p a minute, unless you have a current goody bag. >> > That's what I was remembering - that if you made a single call/sent a > single text, it cut a hole in the current goodie bag, which then leaked > out even if you used it no more. (More below) >> >>>> >>>>>>> , £40 a year if you only talk to other >>>>>>> giffgaff users, £72 for unlimited calls and SMS, (if no mobile data). >>>>> >>>>> Is that one payment of 72, or 6 a month? (Again, who with?) >>>> >>>> £6 a month with giffgaff (but you could leave gaps between the months) >>> >>> Is that what they call "goodie bags"? Do you get to keep the same number >>> if you leave a gap? >> >> Yes, you can select a pure a pay-as-you go service, you just put a 6 >> quid goody bag on when you need it. If you don't pay you keep the >> number. Just need one top-up every 6 Months to keep the SIM active. >> >> Dave > > I didn't know, or had forgotten, that they offer true PAYG (however > expensive) as well as "goody bags". > > Can you "hold" goody bags and stay on PAYG, or if you have a goodie bag > and make a call/send a text, does that automatically start any GB you have? They start when you buy one, so yes a goody bag expires, but I seldom use the phone with the giffgaff SIM in for anything other than texting so just 10p from the 5 quid I put on when I bough the SIM. Whilst a goody bag is sold as "30gb" what you are buying is a 1 month capped contract.. Dave
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-06 18:17 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10tft34$q6jk$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39521 |
On 2026/5/6 16:53:42, David Wade wrote: > On 06/05/2026 15:34, J. P. Gilliver wrote: [] >> Can you "hold" goody bags and stay on PAYG, or if you have a goodie bag >> and make a call/send a text, does that automatically start any GB you have? > > They start when you buy one, so yes a goody bag expires, but I seldom > use the phone with the giffgaff SIM in for anything other than texting > so just 10p from the 5 quid I put on when I bough the SIM. Ah, I thought you could buy one but not start using it, at which point it started leaking. > > Whilst a goody bag is sold as "30gb" what you are buying is a 1 month > capped contract.. Agreed. Misleadingly marketed. > > Dave > -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Actors are fairly modest...A lot of us have quite a lot to be modest about. - Simon Greenall (voice of Aleksandr the "Simples!" Meerkat), RT 11-17 Dec 2010
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| From | David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-06 20:23 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10tg4fo$1ebo5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39521 |
On 06/05/2026 16:53, David Wade wrote: > They start when you buy one, so yes a goody bag expires, but I seldom If you already have one running, the next one doesn't start until the running one completes (I think you can force an early completion, when your remaining data falls below a certain level). > use the phone with the giffgaff SIM in for anything other than texting > so just 10p from the 5 quid I put on when I bough the SIM. > > Whilst a goody bag is sold as "30gb" what you are buying is a 1 month > capped contract.. Yes. They seem to have been caught out on that one and you now have to agree to the contract. The catch is that contract has come to mean a long term commitment, rather than the strict definition (offer, acceptance, consideration, etc.), although I think you are stressing the duration, which isn't part of the legal definition.
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| From | David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-06 21:41 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <10tg5gv$1efn3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39533 |
On 06/05/2026 21:23, David Woolley wrote: > On 06/05/2026 16:53, David Wade wrote: >> They start when you buy one, so yes a goody bag expires, but I seldom > > If you already have one running, the next one doesn't start until the > running one completes (I think you can force an early completion, when > your remaining data falls below a certain level). > >> use the phone with the giffgaff SIM in for anything other than texting >> so just 10p from the 5 quid I put on when I bough the SIM. >> >> Whilst a goody bag is sold as "30gb" what you are buying is a 1 month >> capped contract.. > > Yes. They seem to have been caught out on that one and you now have to > agree to the contract. The catch is that contract has come to mean a > long term commitment, rather than the strict definition (offer, > acceptance, consideration, etc.), although I think you are stressing the > duration, which isn't part of the legal definition. > Many contracts have duration. Typically mobile phone contracts last between 12 and 24 months, require a monthly payment, and you get a given service for each month of the contract, typically consisting of up to a quoted minutes of talk time, number of texts and gb of data. In this case there is one payment, it lasts one month, you get a service that allows you talk time, texts and data. How is that not a one month contract? Dave
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| From | David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-07 14:14 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10ti36v$22lv2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39534 |
On 06/05/2026 20:41, David Wade wrote: > In this case there is one payment, it lasts one month, you get a service > that allows you talk time, texts and data. How is that not a one month > contract? It's a one month contract, but there is also a contract when you top up PAYG, even if that PAYG balance is preserved indefinitely. As such, having specific duration is not necessary for there to be a contract, even though when people talk about mobile phone contracts, they mean more or less the opposite of PAYG, and typically also mean one where there are periodic payments, but contracts can exist without those conditions. GiffGaff use contract, in the popular sense, in the naming and marketing of their goody bags. GiffGaff are asking you to tick a box agreeing to a contract (even when topping up PAYG), because the more general concept of a contract applies). I think the things that make a contract are generally considered to be: Offer Acceptance Consideration (something of value has to be exchanged, e.g. money and the right to make phone calls) Capacity - the parties have to be able to form a contract, e.g. at least 18 years old. I think the classic example was, when people paid for newspapers on the street, offer was the pile of papers, and acceptance was taking a paper. Consideration was the money tossed into the pot. There was no significant duration, and no requirement to continue buying.
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| From | Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-06 09:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <82qznpq6ca.fsf@example.com> |
| In reply to | #39498 |
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes: >>>> As there is hardly any reception in my house, mobile phone calls are >>>> expensive VOIP calls. > > How much and with whom is your VoIP? I am not sure if you are asking me this question as there are several levels of quotation. But I have two VOIP providers, A&A and Voipfone. Both charge about 1.5p to phone a landline. My mobile costs 3p to phone a landline, which is quite cheap for PAYG mobile. To phone a mobile with A&A is about 4p, whereas with O2 it is 3p, so there it depends on how bad I think the reception is going to be and how much it matters. But anyway the thing people are overlooking is that people with a mobile phone typically use a smart phone. And smart phones cost money, they have to be replaced because the batteries die or the updates cease. The question is, how did we end up in this situation? In the early days of PAYG mobile they were expensive, then they became cheap for a while, now they are expensive again. Maybe 15-25ppm. So people with mobiles paid a subscription. But it was also expensive to phone a mobile from a landline, so people started paying for all inclusive calls. But you don't want to pay two subscriptions, so people started to drop the landline, as you can't take it with you when you go out. The last time I looked Virgin Media was charging about 18ppm for landline calls outside a package. And that is going to be the same with VOIP. It is a total rip-off.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-06 14:46 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10tfgnj$q6jk$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39509 |
On 2026/5/6 9:40:5, Richmond wrote: > "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes: > > >>>>> As there is hardly any reception in my house, mobile phone calls are >>>>> expensive VOIP calls. >> >> How much and with whom is your VoIP? > > I am not sure if you are asking me this question as there are several > levels of quotation. But I have two VOIP providers, A&A and (I was asking whoever referred to "expensive VOIP calls".) > Voipfone. Both charge about 1.5p to phone a landline. My mobile costs 3p > to phone a landline, which is quite cheap for PAYG mobile. To phone a It is indeed; most, last time I looked, were in the tens of pence per minute. > mobile with A&A is about 4p, whereas with O2 it is 3p, so there it > depends on how bad I think the reception is going to be and how much it > matters. > > But anyway the thing people are overlooking is that people with a mobile > phone typically use a smart phone. And smart phones cost money, they > have to be replaced because the batteries die or the updates cease. Yes, it's the "updates cease" that bugs me; from what little I understand of the situation, for practical purposes you _have_ to be up-to-date to use the things you use to justify having a smartphone. (For the batteries, or cells - I wouldn't buy one of the sort where you can't replace the cell.) > > The question is, how did we end up in this situation? In the early days > of PAYG mobile they were expensive, then they became cheap for a while, > now they are expensive again. Maybe 15-25ppm. So people with mobiles > paid a subscription. Indeed. And as someone who doesn't go out much, and am paying a subscription for my broadband/landline, I didn't (don't) have any desire to pay another subscription. (Obviously going to have to for VoIP when forced onto it.) > But it was also expensive to phone a mobile from a> landline, so people started paying for all inclusive calls. But you > don't want to pay two subscriptions, so people started to drop the > landline, as you can't take it with you when you go out. There is that. I'm considering going to cellular for everything, but am dubious that either it won't be reliable (for use as home broadband), or will be more expensive, or both. > > The last time I looked Virgin Media was charging about 18ppm for > landline calls outside a package. And that is going to be the same with > VOIP. It is a total rip-off. Yes. For VoIP, the discrepancy between the package cost and the non-package cost is, much as with mobiles, such that you're in the position where you have to choose between paying for a package where you aren't going to use the included minutes, or PAYG through the nose. I normally use between 0 and a few minutes a month, but just one or two occasions where being kept on hold can sway that considerably. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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| From | David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-06 16:27 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10tfml1$19eha$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39514 |
On 06/05/2026 14:46, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > (For the batteries, or cells - I wouldn't buy one of the sort where you > can't replace the cell.) I think you mean without the use of tools. I've done everything required to replace the cell on a Samsung A22, short of actually supplying a new one, but you you have to break and remake glue seals, and unclip lots of hidden clips, as well as removing and replacing various screws, all without causing collateral damage. (I was actually replacing screens.) The battery, itself, plugs in, so no soldering is required. Phones that have easily changeable batteries are going to be rare, because they can't be made watertight, and that is seen as important, these days.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-06 16:38 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n615j0Fepf4U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #39518 |
David Woolley wrote: > Phones that have easily changeable batteries are going to be rare They're going to become common again by Feb 2027 as the EU is mandating batteries changeable by end-users with normal tools, there might be a few wrinkles compared to the old days ...
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-06 18:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10tft8m$q6jk$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39520 |
On 2026/5/6 16:38:7, Andy Burns wrote: > David Woolley wrote: > >> Phones that have easily changeable batteries are going to be rare > > They're going to become common again by Feb 2027 as the EU is mandating > batteries changeable by end-users with normal tools, there might be a > few wrinkles compared to the old days ... > Hmm. And UK landlines off by end January. Coincidence? :-) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Actors are fairly modest...A lot of us have quite a lot to be modest about. - Simon Greenall (voice of Aleksandr the "Simples!" Meerkat), RT 11-17 Dec 2010
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