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Re: Breaking the law politely

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On 15/04/2021 07:31 pm, Pancho wrote:
> On 15/04/2021 18:56, Incubus wrote:
> 
>>> paranoia sets up dangerous positive feedbacks
>>>
>>> the black is paranoid of the police, so acts negative/
>>>      suspicious/uncooperative....so the police learn to
>>>      expect it...so they in turn become nervous/irritable
>>> thence black/gypsies or other minorities in turn learn
>>>      to distrust police(and other would-be 'authorities')
>>
>> Absolutely.
>>
> 
> But using emotive language like paranoid, is unhelpful in that it 
> prejudges the issue. It suggests that the poor relationship between the 
> black community and the police is initiated by black mistrust. I think 
> we can be almost certain that historically the police force was racist. 
> So the genesis of black trust is well founded.
> 
> Your point is valid in it being in the best interest of both the police 
> and black communities to get along. The black community desperately need 
> better policing to protect them.
> 
> How that is achieved is another matter.
> 
> One thing that is obviously wrong is the criminalisation of commonly 
> used drugs, such as cannabis. Black people face being prosecuted for 
> drug offences that white people like Boris and Dave would not be.

I don't know about Boris and Dave (whoever they are), but *I* certainly 
would not be arrested for illegal use of things such as cannabis.

The reason for that is really simple and has nothing to do with my 
ethnic background.

> The 
> law is clearly being applied unequally. So that large proportion of the 
> black community that take drugs

Ilegally?

> naturally see the police as the enemy. 

I bet bank robbers feel the same. And various others.

> The large proportion of the white community who take drugs are 
> ambivalent because they face a very low risk of prosecution.

I'm not ambivalent on it. My risk of prosecution is not "low". it's 
non-existent.

> Perhaps if the police restricted stop and search to knives and guns they 
> would get more support from the black community. They could present 
> themselves more easily as protectors.

Is complying with the law - all of it, not just the bits chosen by the 
individual - just too much to ask?

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Re: Breaking the law politely abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2021-04-15 17:42 +0200
  Re: Breaking the law politely Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2021-04-15 17:56 +0000
    Re: Breaking the law politely Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-04-15 19:31 +0100
      Re: Breaking the law politely Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2021-04-16 10:43 +0000
        Re: Breaking the law politely Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-04-16 12:26 +0100
          Re: Breaking the law politely Pamela <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> - 2021-04-16 13:28 +0100
      Re: Breaking the law politely JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> - 2021-04-16 14:17 +0100
        Re: Breaking the law politely abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2021-04-16 15:51 +0200
          Re: Breaking the law politely JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> - 2021-04-16 16:06 +0100
            Re: Breaking the law politely Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2021-04-16 16:52 +0000
              Re: Breaking the law politely JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> - 2021-04-16 20:45 +0100
                Re: Breaking the law politely Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2021-04-19 09:16 +0000
        Re: Breaking the law politely Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-04-16 15:24 +0100
          Re: Breaking the law politely JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> - 2021-04-16 16:10 +0100
            Re: Breaking the law politely Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-04-16 17:46 +0100
              Re: Breaking the law politely JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> - 2021-04-16 20:42 +0100
                Re: Breaking the law politely Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-04-17 10:37 +0100
                Re: Breaking the law politely JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> - 2021-04-17 18:00 +0100

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