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Re: Breaking the law politely

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On 16/04/2021 05:46 pm, Pancho wrote:
> On 16/04/2021 16:10, JNugent wrote:
>> On 16/04/2021 03:24 pm, Pancho wrote:
>>> On 16/04/2021 14:17, JNugent wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is complying with the law - all of it, not just the bits chosen by 
>>>> the individual - just too much to ask?
>
>>> The most commonly broken laws are traffic laws. Driving at 21 mph in 
>>> a 20 mph zone is a crime. You can evade it as much as you like, but 
>>> it is a crime.
>
>> And if the breach is minor, you'll get a FPN. Too egregious for that, 
>> and you'll get an opportunity to explain it to the bench.
>> Was there anything else?
>
> Yes, that is the punishment. You were talking about people complying 
> with the law. You always muddy the water.
> 
> The majority of motorists deliberately break the law. You are just a 
> hypocrite, you go on about drugs and ignore motoring offences.
> [snip]

I don't ignore "motoring offences". I weigh them realistically within 
the scale of offences (many of which, connected with the use of motor 
vehicles are merely administrative).

If you are trying to compare parking for five minutes too long on a 
meter space with offences involving robbery, assault and the discharge 
of firearms with intent to threaten / injure  / kill, you need your 
brain examined.

>>> I trust you aren't the type of person who believes in obeying some 
>>> laws and not other.
>
>> It is possible to commit certain offences inadvertently (it doesn't 
>> invalidate the offence).
>>
> People speed on purpose.

Yes, some people do. Some people do it inadvertently. The same people do 
both of those.

> In some places it is the norm rather than the exception...

...and must be appropriately punished.

No problem.

But only someone seriously unhinged "thinks" it is an excuse to commit 
violent crime, including resisting arrest.

>> Possession of illegal substances, assault on police, resisting arrest 
>> and attempted robbery are not among the offences in that category.
>> Nobody has a reasonable expectation of being let off with a warning 
>> for any of them.

> Erm, possession of cannabis would normally be a warning. Or on the spot 
> fine of £90, less than a speeding FPN.

So what's the complaint?

> You have gone on about illegal drugs, but I still don't understand what 
> your concern is apart from they are illegal?

I have not "gone on" about them. I pointed out that they are not some 
sort of accidental activity one can commit without intent. Enforcing the 
law on them is not oppression.

As with a great many other types of offence, if you are not prepared to 
accept the penalty, don't commit the crime.

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Re: Breaking the law politely abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2021-04-15 17:42 +0200
  Re: Breaking the law politely Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2021-04-15 17:56 +0000
    Re: Breaking the law politely Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-04-15 19:31 +0100
      Re: Breaking the law politely Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2021-04-16 10:43 +0000
        Re: Breaking the law politely Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-04-16 12:26 +0100
          Re: Breaking the law politely Pamela <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> - 2021-04-16 13:28 +0100
      Re: Breaking the law politely JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> - 2021-04-16 14:17 +0100
        Re: Breaking the law politely abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2021-04-16 15:51 +0200
          Re: Breaking the law politely JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> - 2021-04-16 16:06 +0100
            Re: Breaking the law politely Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2021-04-16 16:52 +0000
              Re: Breaking the law politely JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> - 2021-04-16 20:45 +0100
                Re: Breaking the law politely Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2021-04-19 09:16 +0000
        Re: Breaking the law politely Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-04-16 15:24 +0100
          Re: Breaking the law politely JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> - 2021-04-16 16:10 +0100
            Re: Breaking the law politely Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-04-16 17:46 +0100
              Re: Breaking the law politely JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> - 2021-04-16 20:42 +0100
                Re: Breaking the law politely Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-04-17 10:37 +0100
                Re: Breaking the law politely JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> - 2021-04-17 18:00 +0100

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