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  Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-09-23 13:12 -0700
    Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Jeiker Carboni <iree@eoaijoje.br> - 2022-09-23 20:22 +0000
    Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Jeiker Carboni <iree@eoaijoje.br> - 2022-09-23 22:12 +0000
      Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Jeiker Carboni <iree@eoaijoje.br> - 2022-09-23 23:13 +0000
        Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Tim Tiraboschi <htih@bibrriat.tr> - 2022-09-24 12:57 +0000
    Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-09-23 22:01 -0700
      Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-09-24 01:00 -0700
        Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-29 23:06 -0600
          Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-09-29 23:06 -0700
            Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-09-29 23:22 -0700
            Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-02 22:41 -0600
              Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-03 07:12 -0500
                Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-09 23:13 -0600
                  Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-10 09:15 -0500
                    Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-15 23:27 -0600
                      Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-16 11:06 -0500
                        Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2022-10-16 12:37 -0700
                          Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-16 21:34 -0500
          Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2022-09-29 23:07 -0700
    Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Sergi o <invalid@invalid.com> - 2022-10-03 10:44 -0500
    Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-08 11:00 -0700
      Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2022-10-08 17:45 -0500
      Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-08 23:35 -0700
        Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2022-10-09 12:50 -0500
          Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Wilson Woods <banmilk@hotmail.com> - 2022-10-09 11:13 -0700
            Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2022-10-09 13:19 -0500
              Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-09 17:04 -0500
          Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-09 16:57 -0500
            Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2022-10-10 11:34 -0500
              Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Mandy Stabile <alts@ilnnnbsl.ed> - 2022-10-10 17:01 +0000
                Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-10 13:05 -0500
                  Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Mandy Stabile <alts@ilnnnbsl.ed> - 2022-10-10 18:48 +0000
                    Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-10 21:43 -0500
        Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-09 23:14 -0600
          Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2022-10-10 11:40 -0500
            Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-15 23:22 -0600
              Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2022-10-17 11:30 -0500
                Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... governor.swill@gmail.com - 2022-10-17 23:01 -0400
                  Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-17 20:17 -0700
          Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-12 00:28 -0400
    Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-10-09 15:19 -0700
      Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Michel Marconi <iinc@lcrallem.or> - 2022-10-09 23:13 +0000
        Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-10-09 22:19 -0700
          Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-10-09 22:33 -0700
      Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2022-10-09 19:39 -0700
        Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Mandy Stabile <alts@ilnnnbsl.ed> - 2022-10-10 15:57 +0000
        Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... governor.swill@gmail.com - 2022-10-11 00:13 -0400
          Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-10 22:50 -0700
          Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-11 05:04 -0500
            Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-12 01:25 -0400
              Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-12 12:14 -0500
      Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Woodrow Adessi <reds@odirsodo.er> - 2022-10-13 18:29 +0000
    Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2022-10-09 22:53 -0700

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#862047 — Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely...

Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely...

Putin threatens to use The BOMB.

Putin has *already* made the decision.

Ask the atomic bomb expert, Albert Einstein...

It is more economical for Putin to drop a nuclear bomb on
on Ukraine instead of wasting money on
 missiles, tanks, bullets, and soldiers  on Ukraine.


One bomb will do it! Destroy everything! And you Save Money!!!!

He probably would do what the USA did to Japan...
drop two atomic bombs.

PLUS! It will scare the hell out of rest of the world and pussy Biden.

There are no consequences.

Biden got a basement, where's yours?

You can use his basement, right?


Now, the Fact is..

the atomic bomb was dropped on Japan in August, 1945...

but, Albert Einstein was informed that the atomic bomb would
be used on Japan back in March that same year..

dats around five months ahead of time.


Putin has already made the decision.

What is anybody going to do about it? NOTHING!


It just makes good tvee...


(but they should get all those pretty girls out first...i want some of dat)



-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#862048

The Starmaker wrote:

> Ask the atomic bomb expert, Albert Einstein...
> 
> It is more economical for Putin to drop a nuclear bomb on on Ukraine
> instead of wasting money on
>  missiles, tanks, bullets, and soldiers  on Ukraine.

amazing he was an *expert* in something he denied. He didn't understood 
tensors and was against Niels Bohr of Copenhagen, because the atoms don't 
play dices. When I go to Odessa, I go to Russia, not to the nonexistent 
uKraina. To go to the nazi uKraina right now, and anytime, is imbecility. 
How the hell you guys trust travelling to oligarch khakhole nazi uKraina, 
which never existed on the world map before CCCP??

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#862057

JanPB wrote:

>> Putin threatens to use The BOMB. Putin has *already* made the decision.
> 
> Putin will almost certainly be "liquidated" by his Kremlin courtiers the

but the next will make polakia history much faster. The putina is not evil 
enough. He brought disrespect over the Russian military.

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#862059

Michael Moroney wrote:

> On 9/23/2022 6:12 PM, Jeiker Carboni wrote:
> 
>> The putina is not evil enough. He brought disrespect over the Russian
>> military.
> 
> He sure did! Before February, the 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 military was thought to
> be a

it still is, the putina made western peninsula the poorest shithole on the 
planet. Without energy stolen on *fake_money* they suck dicks or leave. 
The *collective_west* has no tools to avoid the sucking of the dicks in 
low temperature. They *just_wanted_to_kill_Russia*. The wealthy will 
already leave. But they are nazis, not to forget, for the people taking 
them in custody.

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#862089

JanPB wrote:

>> it still is, the putina made western peninsula the poorest shithole on
>> the planet. Without energy stolen on *fake_money* they suck dicks or
>> leave. The *collective_west* has no tools to avoid the sucking of the
>> dicks in low temperature. They *just_wanted_to_kill_Russia*.
> 
> No, it's Russia that has been the constant problem (that's a euphemism,
> we are talking mass murder here) for its neighbours. It's now simply
> that that bill comes due for Russia. Unless Putin leaves Ukraine
> quickly, there will be no more delaying the payment of that debt. And it
> will have to pay it back, as the saying goes, "with interest and with
> interest paid on the interest".

it just reflects the fucking unskilled and uneducated imbecile your are, 
inspite of that fascist diploma you probably got in nazi amercacania. You 
are talking about *fake_money* "interest", you fool. Kenseto is a doctor 
in physics when compared to you. The "euro" is already fucked up, what 
"money", you fucking idiot. This guy isn't understanding anything.

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#862071

JanPB wrote:
> 
> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 1:12:01 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely...
> >
> > Putin threatens to use The BOMB.
> >
> > Putin has *already* made the decision.
> 
> Putin will almost certainly be "liquidated" by his
> Kremlin courtiers the instant he makes a more concrete
> move in that direction (and probably with China's promise of
> financial help in the future, etc.)
> 
> But for now Putin, being a former KGB agent, knows how to
> psychologically play an abysmally weak hand he's been dealt.
> Unfortunately, many western politicians do not have much
> experience how to deal with that type of gangster, their
> experience has been mostly with other politicians.
> 
> Same goes for the media.
> 
> --
> Jan


"gangster"????

All governmnets are run by a gangster or gangsters.

All governments are in the 'protection racket business'.


President Biden, his son Hunter Biden, and their whole fuckin family are running a criminal enterprize.

Don't they call Trump "The Don"?

Isn't the Venusula government run by gangsters?

Aren't all the governments on earth run by a gangster or gangsters??

Russia is simply a Mafia State. 

Albert Einstein was a gangster who provided other gangsters with a better weapon then a Al Capone Tommy Gun.



"The M1921 Thompson submachine gun, or more commonly, the Tommy Gun, is an American-made submachine gun, the Mafia's most legendary instrument of death. 
It was the Long-Range weapon of the Mafia and the Mid-Range weapon of Al Capone."


"A single bomb of this

type, carried by boat and exploded in a port, might very well destroy

the whole port together with some of the surrounding territory." -Albert Einstein





-- 
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 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#862080

JanPB wrote:
> 
> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 10:01:02 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > JanPB wrote:
> > >
> > > On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 1:12:01 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely...
> > > >
> > > > Putin threatens to use The BOMB.
> > > >
> > > > Putin has *already* made the decision.
> > >
> > > Putin will almost certainly be "liquidated" by his
> > > Kremlin courtiers the instant he makes a more concrete
> > > move in that direction (and probably with China's promise of
> > > financial help in the future, etc.)
> > >
> > > But for now Putin, being a former KGB agent, knows how to
> > > psychologically play an abysmally weak hand he's been dealt.
> > > Unfortunately, many western politicians do not have much
> > > experience how to deal with that type of gangster, their
> > > experience has been mostly with other politicians.
> > >
> > > Same goes for the media.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jan
> > "gangster"????
> >
> > All governmnets are run by a gangster or gangsters.
> 
> But order of magnitude is paramount. Hitler is not the same as
> some dude stealing a chocolate bar.
> 
> > All governments are in the 'protection racket business'.
> 
> Yes but it's not saying anything because, again, it ignores the
> order of magnitude. Obviously, at some magnification level that's
> random enough, everyone is equal, be it Mother Theresa or
> Dick Cheney. There is zero information content in a statement like this.
> 
> > President Biden, his son Hunter Biden, and their whole fuckin family are running a criminal enterprize.
> 
> Sure but how does that excuse Putin from invading Ukraine, exactly?
> Try robbing a bank and telling the policeman who caught you that
> "Putin does worse". See how much mileage you get from it in front
> of the judge.
> 
> > Aren't all the governments on earth run by a gangster or gangsters??
> 
> Again, this evens-out all the criteria so the claim becomes devoid of
> content.
> 
> Etc.
> 
> --
> Jan

You need to understand from Putin's point of view...


On April 15, 2021 Andriy Melnyk, Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, told
Deutschlandfunk radio that if Ukraine was not allowed to become a NATO
member, his country might have to reconsider its status as a
non-nuclear weapon state to guarantee its defense

In February 2022, Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky renewed such
sentiments, suggesting that Ukraine would potentially view the
Budapest Memorandum as invalid should its security guarantees not be
met


"If you have nuclear weapons, people don't invade you."



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction




What's it all about, Ukraine...

It's all Albert Einstein's doing.

It's about atomic bombs.

Albert Einstein said
that what is needed
is to put atomic bombs
pointing to places like Russia.

The Ukraine guy said if
i cannot be part of NATO
then I will put atomic bombs
pointing at Russia. 

Russia said, "I cannot have that."

So, Russia needed to grab Ukraine
before it happens.

(Russia won't invade Ukraine if
they have atomic bombs pointing
at them)


The USA told
 Ukraine
give up all your
atomic bombs
and you will be protected. 

It was a lie. 






-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#862355

The Starmaker wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
>>
>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 10:01:02 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> JanPB wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 1:12:01 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely...
>>>>>
>>>>> Putin threatens to use The BOMB.
>>>>>
>>>>> Putin has *already* made the decision.
>>>>
>>>> Putin will almost certainly be "liquidated" by his
>>>> Kremlin courtiers the instant he makes a more concrete
>>>> move in that direction (and probably with China's promise of
>>>> financial help in the future, etc.)
>>>>
>>>> But for now Putin, being a former KGB agent, knows how to
>>>> psychologically play an abysmally weak hand he's been dealt.
>>>> Unfortunately, many western politicians do not have much
>>>> experience how to deal with that type of gangster, their
>>>> experience has been mostly with other politicians.
>>>>
>>>> Same goes for the media.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jan
>>> "gangster"????
>>>
>>> All governmnets are run by a gangster or gangsters.
>>
>> But order of magnitude is paramount. Hitler is not the same as
>> some dude stealing a chocolate bar.
>>
>>> All governments are in the 'protection racket business'.
>>
>> Yes but it's not saying anything because, again, it ignores the
>> order of magnitude. Obviously, at some magnification level that's
>> random enough, everyone is equal, be it Mother Theresa or
>> Dick Cheney. There is zero information content in a statement like this.
>>
>>> President Biden, his son Hunter Biden, and their whole fuckin family are running a criminal enterprize.
>>
>> Sure but how does that excuse Putin from invading Ukraine, exactly?
>> Try robbing a bank and telling the policeman who caught you that
>> "Putin does worse". See how much mileage you get from it in front
>> of the judge.
>>
>>> Aren't all the governments on earth run by a gangster or gangsters??
>>
>> Again, this evens-out all the criteria so the claim becomes devoid of
>> content.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> --
>> Jan
> 
> You need to understand from Putin's point of view...
> 
> 
> On April 15, 2021 Andriy Melnyk, Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, told
> Deutschlandfunk radio that if Ukraine was not allowed to become a NATO
> member, his country might have to reconsider its status as a
> non-nuclear weapon state to guarantee its defense
> 
> In February 2022, Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky renewed such
> sentiments, suggesting that Ukraine would potentially view the
> Budapest Memorandum as invalid should its security guarantees not be
> met
> 
> 
> "If you have nuclear weapons, people don't invade you."
> 
> 
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine
> 
> 
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
> 
> 
> 
> 
> What's it all about, Ukraine...
> 
> It's all Albert Einstein's doing.
> 
> It's about atomic bombs.
> 
> Albert Einstein said
> that what is needed
> is to put atomic bombs
> pointing to places like Russia.
> 
> The Ukraine guy said if
> i cannot be part of NATO
> then I will put atomic bombs
> pointing at Russia.
> 
> Russia said, "I cannot have that."
> 
> So, Russia needed to grab Ukraine
> before it happens.
> 
> (Russia won't invade Ukraine if
> they have atomic bombs pointing
> at them)
> 
> 
> The USA told
>   Ukraine
> give up all your
> atomic bombs
> and you will be protected.
> 
> It was a lie.

What you said is the lie.

https://www.icanw.org/did_ukraine_give_up_nuclear_weapons

When the Soviet Union broke up in 1991, there were thousands of
former Soviet nuclear warheads, as well as hundreds of intercontinental
ballistic missiles and bombers, left on Ukraine’s territory, which it
decided to transfer to Russia. Ukraine never had an independent nuclear
weapons arsenal, or control over these weapons, but agreed to remove
former Soviet weapons stationed on its territory. In 1992, Ukraine signed
the Lisbon Protocol and it joined the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty as
a non-nuclear weapon state in 1994. The transfer of all nuclear material
took some time, but by 2001, all nuclear weapons had been transferred
to Russia to be dismantled and all launch silos decommissioned.

While some may ask if Russia would have invaded Ukraine if it still had
Soviet nuclear weapons stationed on its territory, there is little convincing
historical evidence that the possession or presence of nuclear weapons
definitively prevents conflict, when many other variables may be considered,
including the prohibition of the use of force under the UN Charter or even
just luck. Even beyond this, it is not clear that Ukraine would have been 
able
to take control of former Soviet nuclear weapons, technically or politically.

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#862357

Gronk wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> > JanPB wrote:
> >>
> >> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 10:01:02 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> JanPB wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 1:12:01 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>> Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Putin threatens to use The BOMB.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Putin has *already* made the decision.
> >>>>
> >>>> Putin will almost certainly be "liquidated" by his
> >>>> Kremlin courtiers the instant he makes a more concrete
> >>>> move in that direction (and probably with China's promise of
> >>>> financial help in the future, etc.)
> >>>>
> >>>> But for now Putin, being a former KGB agent, knows how to
> >>>> psychologically play an abysmally weak hand he's been dealt.
> >>>> Unfortunately, many western politicians do not have much
> >>>> experience how to deal with that type of gangster, their
> >>>> experience has been mostly with other politicians.
> >>>>
> >>>> Same goes for the media.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Jan
> >>> "gangster"????
> >>>
> >>> All governmnets are run by a gangster or gangsters.
> >>
> >> But order of magnitude is paramount. Hitler is not the same as
> >> some dude stealing a chocolate bar.
> >>
> >>> All governments are in the 'protection racket business'.
> >>
> >> Yes but it's not saying anything because, again, it ignores the
> >> order of magnitude. Obviously, at some magnification level that's
> >> random enough, everyone is equal, be it Mother Theresa or
> >> Dick Cheney. There is zero information content in a statement like this.
> >>
> >>> President Biden, his son Hunter Biden, and their whole fuckin family are running a criminal enterprize.
> >>
> >> Sure but how does that excuse Putin from invading Ukraine, exactly?
> >> Try robbing a bank and telling the policeman who caught you that
> >> "Putin does worse". See how much mileage you get from it in front
> >> of the judge.
> >>
> >>> Aren't all the governments on earth run by a gangster or gangsters??
> >>
> >> Again, this evens-out all the criteria so the claim becomes devoid of
> >> content.
> >>
> >> Etc.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jan
> >
> > You need to understand from Putin's point of view...
> >
> >
> > On April 15, 2021 Andriy Melnyk, Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, told
> > Deutschlandfunk radio that if Ukraine was not allowed to become a NATO
> > member, his country might have to reconsider its status as a
> > non-nuclear weapon state to guarantee its defense
> >
> > In February 2022, Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky renewed such
> > sentiments, suggesting that Ukraine would potentially view the
> > Budapest Memorandum as invalid should its security guarantees not be
> > met
> >
> >
> > "If you have nuclear weapons, people don't invade you."
> >
> >
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine
> >
> >
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What's it all about, Ukraine...
> >
> > It's all Albert Einstein's doing.
> >
> > It's about atomic bombs.
> >
> > Albert Einstein said
> > that what is needed
> > is to put atomic bombs
> > pointing to places like Russia.
> >
> > The Ukraine guy said if
> > i cannot be part of NATO
> > then I will put atomic bombs
> > pointing at Russia.
> >
> > Russia said, "I cannot have that."
> >
> > So, Russia needed to grab Ukraine
> > before it happens.
> >
> > (Russia won't invade Ukraine if
> > they have atomic bombs pointing
> > at them)
> >
> >
> > The USA told
> >   Ukraine
> > give up all your
> > atomic bombs
> > and you will be protected.
> >
> > It was a lie.
> 
> What you said is the lie.

Three decades ago, the newly independent country of Ukraine was briefly the third-largest nuclear power in the world.

Thousands of nuclear arms had been left on Ukrainian soil by Moscow after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. But in the years that followed, Ukraine made the decision to completely denuclearize.

In exchange, the U.S., the U.K. and Russia would guarantee Ukraine's security in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum.



"guarantee Ukraine's security"????


The USA told
   Ukraine
 give up all your
 atomic bombs
 and you will be protected.


Is anybody protecting Ukraine?


They got fucked.

If the USA tells you to turn in your guns and they will protect you....








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 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#862360

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Gronk wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > JanPB wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 10:01:02 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>> JanPB wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 1:12:01 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>> Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely...
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Putin threatens to use The BOMB.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Putin has *already* made the decision.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Putin will almost certainly be "liquidated" by his
> > >>>> Kremlin courtiers the instant he makes a more concrete
> > >>>> move in that direction (and probably with China's promise of
> > >>>> financial help in the future, etc.)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> But for now Putin, being a former KGB agent, knows how to
> > >>>> psychologically play an abysmally weak hand he's been dealt.
> > >>>> Unfortunately, many western politicians do not have much
> > >>>> experience how to deal with that type of gangster, their
> > >>>> experience has been mostly with other politicians.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Same goes for the media.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Jan
> > >>> "gangster"????
> > >>>
> > >>> All governmnets are run by a gangster or gangsters.
> > >>
> > >> But order of magnitude is paramount. Hitler is not the same as
> > >> some dude stealing a chocolate bar.
> > >>
> > >>> All governments are in the 'protection racket business'.
> > >>
> > >> Yes but it's not saying anything because, again, it ignores the
> > >> order of magnitude. Obviously, at some magnification level that's
> > >> random enough, everyone is equal, be it Mother Theresa or
> > >> Dick Cheney. There is zero information content in a statement like this.
> > >>
> > >>> President Biden, his son Hunter Biden, and their whole fuckin family are running a criminal enterprize.
> > >>
> > >> Sure but how does that excuse Putin from invading Ukraine, exactly?
> > >> Try robbing a bank and telling the policeman who caught you that
> > >> "Putin does worse". See how much mileage you get from it in front
> > >> of the judge.
> > >>
> > >>> Aren't all the governments on earth run by a gangster or gangsters??
> > >>
> > >> Again, this evens-out all the criteria so the claim becomes devoid of
> > >> content.
> > >>
> > >> Etc.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Jan
> > >
> > > You need to understand from Putin's point of view...
> > >
> > >
> > > On April 15, 2021 Andriy Melnyk, Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, told
> > > Deutschlandfunk radio that if Ukraine was not allowed to become a NATO
> > > member, his country might have to reconsider its status as a
> > > non-nuclear weapon state to guarantee its defense
> > >
> > > In February 2022, Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky renewed such
> > > sentiments, suggesting that Ukraine would potentially view the
> > > Budapest Memorandum as invalid should its security guarantees not be
> > > met
> > >
> > >
> > > "If you have nuclear weapons, people don't invade you."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What's it all about, Ukraine...
> > >
> > > It's all Albert Einstein's doing.
> > >
> > > It's about atomic bombs.
> > >
> > > Albert Einstein said
> > > that what is needed
> > > is to put atomic bombs
> > > pointing to places like Russia.
> > >
> > > The Ukraine guy said if
> > > i cannot be part of NATO
> > > then I will put atomic bombs
> > > pointing at Russia.
> > >
> > > Russia said, "I cannot have that."
> > >
> > > So, Russia needed to grab Ukraine
> > > before it happens.
> > >
> > > (Russia won't invade Ukraine if
> > > they have atomic bombs pointing
> > > at them)
> > >
> > >
> > > The USA told
> > >   Ukraine
> > > give up all your
> > > atomic bombs
> > > and you will be protected.
> > >
> > > It was a lie.
> >
> > What you said is the lie.
> 
> Three decades ago, the newly independent country of Ukraine was briefly the third-largest nuclear power in the world.
> 
> Thousands of nuclear arms had been left on Ukrainian soil by Moscow after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. But in the years that followed, Ukraine made the decision to completely denuclearize.
> 
> In exchange, the U.S., the U.K. and Russia would guarantee Ukraine's security in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum.
> 
> "guarantee Ukraine's security"????
> 
> The USA told
>    Ukraine
>  give up all your
>  atomic bombs
>  and you will be protected.
> 
> Is anybody protecting Ukraine?
> 
> They got fucked.
> 
> If the USA tells you to turn in your guns and they will protect you....
> 

It is clear that Ukrainians knew they weren't getting the exactly legally binding, really robust security guarantees they sought.

But they were told at the time that the United States and Western powers — so certainly at least the United States and Great Britain — take their political commitments really seriously. 
This is a document signed at the highest level by the heads of state. So the implication was Ukraine would not be left to stand alone and face a threat should it come under one.


https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082124528/ukraine-russia-putin-invasion


The USA FUCKED the Ukraines!


There are two kinds of people in the world...those who fuck, and those who get fucked.


Ukraine Got Fucked.


and the russian soldiers are saying...where are all the pretty young ukrainian women????










> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
>  to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
>  the unchallengeable.

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#862496

The Starmaker wrote:
> Gronk wrote:
>>
>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>> JanPB wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 10:01:02 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> JanPB wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 1:12:01 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>> Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Putin threatens to use The BOMB.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Putin has *already* made the decision.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Putin will almost certainly be "liquidated" by his
>>>>>> Kremlin courtiers the instant he makes a more concrete
>>>>>> move in that direction (and probably with China's promise of
>>>>>> financial help in the future, etc.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But for now Putin, being a former KGB agent, knows how to
>>>>>> psychologically play an abysmally weak hand he's been dealt.
>>>>>> Unfortunately, many western politicians do not have much
>>>>>> experience how to deal with that type of gangster, their
>>>>>> experience has been mostly with other politicians.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Same goes for the media.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jan
>>>>> "gangster"????
>>>>>
>>>>> All governmnets are run by a gangster or gangsters.
>>>>
>>>> But order of magnitude is paramount. Hitler is not the same as
>>>> some dude stealing a chocolate bar.
>>>>
>>>>> All governments are in the 'protection racket business'.
>>>>
>>>> Yes but it's not saying anything because, again, it ignores the
>>>> order of magnitude. Obviously, at some magnification level that's
>>>> random enough, everyone is equal, be it Mother Theresa or
>>>> Dick Cheney. There is zero information content in a statement like this.
>>>>
>>>>> President Biden, his son Hunter Biden, and their whole fuckin family are running a criminal enterprize.
>>>>
>>>> Sure but how does that excuse Putin from invading Ukraine, exactly?
>>>> Try robbing a bank and telling the policeman who caught you that
>>>> "Putin does worse". See how much mileage you get from it in front
>>>> of the judge.
>>>>
>>>>> Aren't all the governments on earth run by a gangster or gangsters??
>>>>
>>>> Again, this evens-out all the criteria so the claim becomes devoid of
>>>> content.
>>>>
>>>> Etc.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jan
>>>
>>> You need to understand from Putin's point of view...
>>>
>>>
>>> On April 15, 2021 Andriy Melnyk, Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, told
>>> Deutschlandfunk radio that if Ukraine was not allowed to become a NATO
>>> member, his country might have to reconsider its status as a
>>> non-nuclear weapon state to guarantee its defense
>>>
>>> In February 2022, Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky renewed such
>>> sentiments, suggesting that Ukraine would potentially view the
>>> Budapest Memorandum as invalid should its security guarantees not be
>>> met
>>>
>>>
>>> "If you have nuclear weapons, people don't invade you."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What's it all about, Ukraine...
>>>
>>> It's all Albert Einstein's doing.
>>>
>>> It's about atomic bombs.
>>>
>>> Albert Einstein said
>>> that what is needed
>>> is to put atomic bombs
>>> pointing to places like Russia.
>>>
>>> The Ukraine guy said if
>>> i cannot be part of NATO
>>> then I will put atomic bombs
>>> pointing at Russia.
>>>
>>> Russia said, "I cannot have that."
>>>
>>> So, Russia needed to grab Ukraine
>>> before it happens.
>>>
>>> (Russia won't invade Ukraine if
>>> they have atomic bombs pointing
>>> at them)
>>>
>>>
>>> The USA told
>>>    Ukraine
>>> give up all your
>>> atomic bombs
>>> and you will be protected.
>>>
>>> It was a lie.
>>
>> What you said is the lie.
> 
> Three decades ago, the newly independent country of Ukraine was briefly the third-largest nuclear power in the world.

No, they weren't

> Thousands of nuclear arms had been left on Ukrainian soil by Moscow after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. But in the years that followed, Ukraine made the decision to completely denuclearize.

Wrong. Again.


https://www.icanw.org/did_ukraine_give_up_nuclear_weapons

When the Soviet Union broke up in 1991, there were thousands of
former Soviet nuclear warheads, as well as hundreds of intercontinental
ballistic missiles and bombers, left on Ukraine’s territory, which it
decided to transfer to Russia. Ukraine never had an independent nuclear
weapons arsenal, or control over these weapons, but agreed to remove
former Soviet weapons stationed on its territory. In 1992, Ukraine signed
the Lisbon Protocol and it joined the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty as
a non-nuclear weapon state in 1994. The transfer of all nuclear material
took some time, but by 2001, all nuclear weapons had been transferred
to Russia to be dismantled and all launch silos decommissioned.

While some may ask if Russia would have invaded Ukraine if it still had
Soviet nuclear weapons stationed on its territory, there is little convincing
historical evidence that the possession or presence of nuclear weapons
definitively prevents conflict, when many other variables may be considered,
including the prohibition of the use of force under the UN Charter or even
just luck. Even beyond this, it is not clear that Ukraine would have been able
to take control of former Soviet nuclear weapons, technically or politically.



> In exchange, the U.S., the U.K. and Russia would guarantee Ukraine's security in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum.
> 
> 
> 
> "guarantee Ukraine's security"????
> 
> 
> The USA told
>     Ukraine
>   give up all your
>   atomic bombs
>   and you will be protected.
> 
> 
> Is anybody protecting Ukraine?
> 
> 
> They got fucked.
> 
> If the USA tells you to turn in your guns and they will protect you....
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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#862515

The actual history, whatever it was, is actually moot.

On 10/2/2022 11:41 PM, Gronk wrote:
 > Starmaker babbled:

>> Thousands of nuclear arms had been left on Ukrainian soil by Moscow 
>> after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. But in the years that 
>> followed, Ukraine made the decision to completely denuclearize.
> 
> Wrong. Again.
> 
> 
> https://www.icanw.org/did_ukraine_give_up_nuclear_weapons
> 
> When the Soviet Union broke up in 1991, there were thousands of
> former Soviet nuclear warheads, as well as hundreds of intercontinental
> ballistic missiles and bombers, left on Ukraine’s territory, which it
> decided to transfer to Russia. Ukraine never had an independent nuclear
> weapons arsenal, or control over these weapons, but agreed to remove
> former Soviet weapons stationed on its territory. In 1992, Ukraine signed
> the Lisbon Protocol and it joined the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty as
> a non-nuclear weapon state in 1994. The transfer of all nuclear material
> took some time, but by 2001, all nuclear weapons had been transferred
> to Russia to be dismantled and all launch silos decommissioned.
> 
> While some may ask if Russia would have invaded Ukraine if it still had
> Soviet nuclear weapons stationed on its territory, there is little 
> convincing
> historical evidence that the possession or presence of nuclear weapons
> definitively prevents conflict, when many other variables may be 
> considered,
> including the prohibition of the use of force under the UN Charter or even
> just luck. Even beyond this, it is not clear that Ukraine would have 
> been able
> to take control of former Soviet nuclear weapons, technically or 
> politically.
> 
> 
> 
>> In exchange, the U.S., the U.K. and Russia would guarantee Ukraine's 
>> security in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum.
>>
>>
>>
>> "guarantee Ukraine's security"????
>>
>>
>> The USA told
>>     Ukraine
>>   give up all your
>>   atomic bombs
>>   and you will be protected.
>>
>>
>> Is anybody protecting Ukraine?
>>
>>
>> They got fucked.
>>
>> If the USA tells you to turn in your guns and they will protect you....

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#862816

whodat wrote:
> 
> The actual history, whatever it was, is actually moot.

Putin thanks you.

> On 10/2/2022 11:41 PM, Gronk wrote:
>  > Starmaker babbled:
> 
>>> Thousands of nuclear arms had been left on Ukrainian soil by Moscow 
>>> after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. But in the years that 
>>> followed, Ukraine made the decision to completely denuclearize.
>>
>> Wrong. Again.
>>
>>
>> https://www.icanw.org/did_ukraine_give_up_nuclear_weapons
>>
>> When the Soviet Union broke up in 1991, there were thousands of
>> former Soviet nuclear warheads, as well as hundreds of intercontinental
>> ballistic missiles and bombers, left on Ukraine’s territory, which it
>> decided to transfer to Russia. Ukraine never had an independent nuclear
>> weapons arsenal, or control over these weapons, but agreed to remove
>> former Soviet weapons stationed on its territory. In 1992, Ukraine signed
>> the Lisbon Protocol and it joined the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty as
>> a non-nuclear weapon state in 1994. The transfer of all nuclear material
>> took some time, but by 2001, all nuclear weapons had been transferred
>> to Russia to be dismantled and all launch silos decommissioned.
>>
>> While some may ask if Russia would have invaded Ukraine if it still had
>> Soviet nuclear weapons stationed on its territory, there is little 
>> convincing
>> historical evidence that the possession or presence of nuclear weapons
>> definitively prevents conflict, when many other variables may be 
>> considered,
>> including the prohibition of the use of force under the UN Charter or even
>> just luck. Even beyond this, it is not clear that Ukraine would have 
>> been able
>> to take control of former Soviet nuclear weapons, technically or 
>> politically.
>>
>>> In exchange, the U.S., the U.K. and Russia would guarantee Ukraine's 
>>> security in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum.
>>>
>>> "guarantee Ukraine's security"????
>>>
>>> The USA told
>>>     Ukraine
>>>   give up all your
>>>   atomic bombs
>>>   and you will be protected.
>>>
>>> Is anybody protecting Ukraine?
>>>
>>> They got fucked.
>>>
>>> If the USA tells you to turn in your guns and they will protect you....
> 
> 
> 

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#862831

On 10/10/2022 12:13 AM, Gronk wrote:
> whodat wrote:
>>
>> The actual history, whatever it was, is actually moot.
> 
> Putin thanks you.

Now you've become a megalomaniac, you thin you can speakm for Putin.

Please post a copy of your appointment.

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#863091

whodat wrote:
> On 10/10/2022 12:13 AM, Gronk wrote:
>> whodat wrote:
>>>
>>> The actual history, whatever it was, is actually moot.
>>
>> Putin thanks you.
> 
> Now you've become a megalomaniac, you thin you can speakm for Putin.
> 
> Please post a copy of your appointment.
> 
You're doing his work, he's bound to be grateful. Then again, he is ex KGB...

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#863100

On 10/16/2022 12:27 AM, Gronk wrote:
> whodat wrote:
>> On 10/10/2022 12:13 AM, Gronk wrote:
>>> whodat wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The actual history, whatever it was, is actually moot.
>>>
>>> Putin thanks you.
>>
>> Now you've become a megalomaniac, you think you can speak for Putin.
>>
>> Please post a copy of your appointment.
>>
> You're doing his work, 

Classic. Aren't you talking to someone in a mirror?

> he's bound to be grateful. 

> Then again, he is ex KGB...

et tu, Brute? (Everyone loves Shakespeare, even Russians.)

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#863121

In article <jr2og6Fm140U1@mid.individual.net>,
 whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:

> et tu, Brute? (Everyone loves Shakespeare, even Russians.)

It's better in the original Minbari.

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#863141

On 10/16/2022 2:37 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
> In article <jr2og6Fm140U1@mid.individual.net>,
>   whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
> 
>> et tu, Brute? (Everyone loves Shakespeare, even Russians.)
> 
> It's better in the original Minbari.

Cute, even whimsical, thanks.

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#862358

In article <th5tgg$u13f$3@dont-email.me>,
 Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> > Deutschlandfunk radio that if Ukraine was not allowed to become a NATO

I am easily amused german radio is funky.

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I am an Andrea Chen sockpuppet.                  insults Islam.  Mohammed

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#862518

[post corrected for Starfarter's BONG]

On 9/23/2022 3:12 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely...
> 
> Putin threatens to use The BONG.
> 
> Putin has *already* made the decision.
> 
> Ask the atomic BONG expert, Albert Einstein...
> 
> It is more economical for Putin to drop a nuclear BONG on
> on Ukraine instead of wasting money on
>   missiles, tanks, bullets, and soldiers  on Ukraine.
> 
> 
> One BONG will do it! Destroy everything! And you Save Money!!!!
> 
> He probably would do what the USA did to Japan...
> drop two atomic BONGs.
> 
> PLUS! It will scare the hell out of rest of the world and pussy Biden.
> 
> There are no consequences.
> 
> Biden got a basement, where's yours?
> 
> You can use his basement, right?
> 
> 
> Now, the Fact is..
> 
> the atomic BONG was dropped on Japan in August, 1945...
> 
> but, Albert Einstein was informed that the atomic BONG would
> be used on Japan back in March that same year..
> 
> dats around five months ahead of BONG time.
> 
> 
> Putin has already made the BONG decision.
> 
> What is anybody going to do about it? NOTHING!
> 
> 
> It just makes good tvee...
> 
> 
> (but they should get all those pretty girls out first...i want some of dat BONG)
> 
> 
> 

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