Re: The Apollo moon landings

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics, alt.usage.english
Subject	Re: The Apollo moon landings
Date	2025-06-11 07:48 +0200
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Am Dienstag000010, 10.06.2025 um 02:29 schrieb Bertitaylor:
> On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 22:52:34 +0000, Jim Pennino wrote:
> 
>> In sci.physics Bertitaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 16:45:44 +0000, David Canzi wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/7/25 18:23, Bertitaylor wrote:
>>>>> Arindam remembers his father wondering after watching the Apollo moon
>>>>> landing video in 1969, why they did not jump up at least three 
>>>>> feet. He
>>>>> also thought they could at least have thrown a stone up and thus 
>>>>> show it
>>>>> falling slowly.
>>>>
>>>> When they jump, once their feet leave the surface, their 
>>>> acceleration is
>>>> determined by the gravity of whatever they jumped up from.  If you
>>>> measure how high they jumped and how long it took to get to that 
>>>> height,
>>>> you can calculate their acceleration due to gravity and compare it with
>>>> the acceleration due to gravity at Earth's surface.
>>>
>>> As they were on Earth they merely shuffled leaving deep prints.
>>
>> Actually they all hopped around because it was good exercise and easier
>> to do than to walk in the bulky suits in low gravity, crackpot.
> 
> The shuffling seen was mostly done in their bulky suits - wow just look
> at their bent posture before the merrily waving flag - and the hopping
> was due to suspension from cranes using piano wires. With later
> "flights" there was better camera work so Apollo 11 is the most
> instructive about the US character, then under the leadership of "Tricky
> Dick" Nixon.
> 
Moon has lower gravity. But inertia stays the same.

As the Moon has not atmosphere, the lander 'Eagle' had to 'kill' inertia 
by 'reversed acceleration' by firing their only engine backwards.

This is, of course, VERY(!) difficult, because it is like balancing a 
broom on one hand, while riding a horse.

Well, difficult is not impossible.

But the deceleration was also quite 'gas consuming'.

I figured that out once (with Tziolkowskie's rocket equation) and found 
out, that Apollo lander had enough fuel to land.

Unfortunately they had another big need for fuel, as they wanted to 
accelerate back into orbit from the Lunar surface.

That also needed a lot of rocket fuel, but that had to be cramped into 
much smaller space.

The other problems were:

they had already needed that fuel for landing (!)

the starting procedure was also extremely difficult, because starting 
with one engine would require PERFECT balance of the lander.

And even that would not be sufficient, because they wanted to match the 
exact orbit and make a 'rendezvous' with the command module.

This would be extremely difficult, even if assisted by a large crew in a 
ground station. But actually it happened literally 'in the middle of 
nowhere'.

(litte side problem:
that single engine was built into the middle of the astronaut's 
compartment, hence would be VERY annoying (loud, hot and vibrating). )

TH

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