Re: Carl Sagan...perhaps

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furthermore, there is no category for earth science at the Noble Prize
department.



The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Physfitfreak wrote:
> >
> > On 12/22/2023 11:13 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > And if there are swamps, why not cycads and dragonflies and
> > > perhaps even dinosaurs on Venus?
> >
> > This "quote" doesn't make sense. Are you again playing around with what
> > Sagan said or didn't say? :)
> >
> > Did you get your quotes, all, from Cosmos or did you use earlier stuff
> > published by him as well?
> >
> > Cosmos was printed in 1980, a few years _after_ Russian probes on Venus
> > reported what was going on and that the possibility of life in those
> > condition were zilch.
> 
> This post is about the word "perhaps". You're unable to focus.
> 
> Do I gotta post the whole book so you can get unfocus again?
> 
> "The absence of anything to see on Venus led some scientists to
> the curious conclusion that the surface was a swamp, like the
> Earth in the Carboniferous Period. The argument—if we can
> dignify it by such a word—went something like this:
> 
> “I can’t see a thing on Venus.”
> 
> “Why not?”
> 
> “Because it’s totally covered with clouds.”
> 
> “What are clouds made of?”
> 
> “Water, of course.”
> 
> “Then why are the clouds of Venus thicker than the
> clouds on Earth?”
> 
> “Because there’s more water there.”
> 
> “But if there is more water in the clouds, there must be
> more water on the surface. What kind of surfaces are very-
> wet:
> 
> swamps.
> 
> And if there are swamps, why not cycads and dragonflies and
> perhaps even dinosaurs on Venus? Observation: There was ab-
> solutely nothing to see on Venus. Conclusion: It must be covered
> with life. The featureless clouds of Venus reflected our own
> predispositions. We are alive, and we resonate with the idea of
> life elsewhere. But only careful accumulation and assessment of
> the evidence can tell us whether a given world is inhabited.
> Venus turns out not to oblige our predispositions." -from the science fiction book Cosmos -Carl Sagan
> 
> Does that help you understand the word "perhaps"?
> 
> PERHAPS
> 
> per·haps
> /p?r'(h)aps/
> adverb
> used to express uncertainty or possibility.
> 
> https://www.google.com/search?q=define+perhaps
> 
> Perhaps.
> 
> Carl Sagan was a con artist. Instead of saying "possibility", he
> would say over and over..."perhaps".
> 
> They say that Carl Sagan only wrote one science fiction book, Contact.
> 
> Cosmos is one of the bestselling science books of all time!
> 
> Is it science fiction or non-fiction????
> 
> Perhaps it's really a science fiction book.
> 
> just a few Quotes from the book Cosmos by Carl Sagan:
> 
> In all the galaxies, there are
> perhaps as many planets as stars
> 
> Perhaps many stars have planetary systems rather like
> our own: at the periphery, great gaseous ringed planets and icy
> moons, and nearer to the center, small, warm, blue-white, cloud-
> covered worlds.
> 
>  Perhaps some day we will know them.
> 
> Perhaps the origin and evolution of life is, given enough
> time, a cosmic inevitability.
> 
> The fossil evidence could be consistent with the idea of a
> Great Designer; perhaps some species are destroyed when the
> Designer becomes dissatisfied with them, and new experiments
> are attempted on an improved design.
> 
>  We know from the fossil record that the origin of life
> happened soon after, perhaps around 4.0 billion years ago, in the
> ponds and oceans of the primitive Earth.
> 
> Perhaps there are
> many other planets that today have abundant microbes but no
> big beasts and vegetables.
> 
> Isaac Newton was perhaps
> the greatest scientific genius who ever lived.
> 
>  Perhaps it was
> a spaceship of some unimaginably advanced extraterrestrial
> 
> And if there are swamps, why not cycads and dragonflies and
> perhaps even dinosaurs on Venus?
> 
> Perhaps there was an engineering failure just at the moment of
> touchdown. Or perhaps there is something particularly danger-
> ous about the Martian surface.
> 
> Perhaps there are large lifeforms on Mars, but not in our two
> landing sites. Perhaps there are smaller forms in every rock and
> sand grain.
> 
> perhaps even many of the same
> basic molecules, such as proteins and nucleic acids—but put to-
> gether in unfamiliar ways. Perhaps organisms that float in dense
> planetary atmospheres will be very much like us in their atomic
> composition, except they might not have bones and therefore
> not need much calcium. Perhaps elsewhere some solvent other
> than water is used.
> 
>  Perhaps time itself
> has many potential dimensions, despite the fact that we are con-
> demned to experience only one of them.
> 
> magic gravity machine—a device with which we could control
> the Earth’s gravity, perhaps by turning a dial.
> 
> But perhaps more interesting is the question of higher dimen-
> sions. Could there be a fourth physical dimension?
> 
> I'm not even halfway with these "perhaps"/ uncertainty or possibility
> quotes from this just one book Cosmos...
> 
> There is nothing in Carls Sagan book Cosmos that is truly non-fiction.
> 
> It's ALL science fintion!
> 
> magic gravity machine?
> 
> dats non-fiction, right?  give me a break!
> 
> There is a higher  fourth physical dimension.'...
> 
> That's the signpost up ahead—your next stop, the Twilight Zone!
> 
> 
> 
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> and challenge the unchallengeable.

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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