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| Started by | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| First post | 2022-10-04 00:43 -0700 |
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The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-04 00:43 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-04 06:42 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe lostgold <matthew.mitton@baxter-academy.org> - 2022-10-04 09:23 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-04 22:45 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe lostgold <matthew.mitton@baxter-academy.org> - 2022-10-05 05:23 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-05 20:33 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-05 22:45 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-07 09:55 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-10-07 19:00 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-07 21:34 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-10-07 19:56 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 12:17 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Michel Marconi <iinc@lcrallem.or> - 2022-10-08 19:21 +0000
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 12:25 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Michel Marconi <iinc@lcrallem.or> - 2022-10-08 19:31 +0000
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-10-08 12:42 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 17:31 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-25 07:18 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Urbano Stilo <nuor@riotlaur.iu> - 2022-10-08 03:51 +0000
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-23 09:06 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Oscar Alcheri <ohci@iessicsr.rn> - 2022-10-23 07:25 +0000
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Oscar Alcheri <ohci@iessicsr.rn> - 2022-10-23 18:29 +0000
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Oscar Alcheri <ohci@iessicsr.rn> - 2022-10-23 19:54 +0000
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-07 14:55 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe lostgold <matthew.mitton@baxter-academy.org> - 2022-10-04 09:22 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-10-04 10:11 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-04 11:07 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-10 09:53 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-10 17:51 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-11 07:50 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-11 12:55 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Mandy Stabile <alts@ilnnnbsl.ed> - 2022-10-11 20:17 +0000
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-11 13:40 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-12 08:07 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 12:17 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-14 08:33 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-14 09:57 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-15 09:17 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-15 11:50 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-16 09:22 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-16 11:39 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-17 08:06 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-17 14:17 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-18 08:44 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-18 12:14 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-20 20:53 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-20 12:28 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-21 08:52 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-21 21:42 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-22 10:32 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-22 08:43 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-22 10:55 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-22 11:39 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Oscar Alcheri <ohci@iessicsr.rn> - 2022-10-22 18:58 +0000
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-23 08:58 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-23 12:25 -0700
Sick Einstein Obsession (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-23 14:55 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-25 07:27 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-25 10:42 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-27 09:05 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-27 00:31 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-27 11:10 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-10-27 18:58 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-27 21:37 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-28 04:39 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-28 10:02 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-10-28 19:21 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-28 12:08 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-28 12:42 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-10-28 13:14 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-28 16:06 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-28 16:04 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-28 16:36 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-10-28 18:34 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-28 21:00 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-10-28 22:03 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-29 00:40 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-30 12:57 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-30 16:02 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-30 17:13 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-30 20:07 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-29 11:20 -0700
Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-29 14:22 -0500
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-30 07:53 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-30 16:15 -0400
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-31 09:18 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-10-31 00:51 -0700
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-31 14:36 -0400
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Buddie Fiore <inbe@iieuedi.du> - 2022-10-31 19:28 +0000
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-01 07:27 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-11-01 09:00 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Reiner Abbatelli <enre@lbeiet.re> - 2022-11-01 15:53 +0000
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-01 22:51 -0400
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-02 08:40 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-11-02 00:48 -0700
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-11-02 09:10 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-03 01:11 -0400
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-03 10:37 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-11-03 10:50 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-03 18:26 -0400
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-04 08:10 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-05 09:07 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-11-01 09:05 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-02 08:44 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-29 23:20 -0700
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-30 07:50 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-29 00:28 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-28 16:03 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-29 00:10 -0400
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-29 00:36 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-28 08:40 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-26 08:27 +0200
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2022-11-04 08:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) |
| Message-ID | <jsjs6tFi5viU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #594648 |
Am 03.11.2022 um 23:26 schrieb Volney: >> But the Catholic Church had a long history of interfering with science. > > So why would they somehow create someone considered one of the greatest > of science? >> >> According to this video >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTiztUNrhhM >> a lot of really good scientists got surpressed, like Kepler or >> Leibnitz for instance. > > In your conspiracy, why didn't they suppress Einstein? Not Einstein was surpressed, of course, but Heinrich Hertz, Herman Minkowski and Henry Poincaré. All of them had written works, which were far better in almost the same realm. It would make perfect sense to me, to surpress unwanted scientific development by creating something almost true. But Einstein's text was not 'almost true', but FULL of errors of all sorts. In addition to the creation of crap the author was also 'deified' and defended by his super-hero-status. It is till this present day 'heresie' and 'anti-semitic' to dare to criticise Einstein and distrust any of his words. (as I can ashure you from my own experience!) This scheme makes perfect sense to me, but only if you like to divert science from something unwanted, that you don't want to become known to the general public. You could also look at Einstein's behaviour in his personal life and how he presented himself to the public. He had actually adverse attitudes towards his environment in many ways, like lack of haircut or socks, like an explicitly disorderly desktop and like doing absolutely nothing in his professional work in Princton. He actually stretched out his thoung on one of his portraits. In a ways he was creating the image, I would call 'nutty professor' and was quite good at that. But that is not how science works and sober and oderly habits are actually better behaviour in a job like a professor. > >> Then almost the same ideas were later presented by people, who were >> allegedly agents like Newton, Gallileo or Gordano Bruno. > > Huh? Galileo was certainly suppressed by the church. No. The video said, that a guy name Sarpi, who had the power to install the Pope and created the order of the Jesuits, regarded Gallileo as one of his (personal) agents. According to the film the same dynasty created later the myst of Newton, to divert from Kepler and Leipnitz (after they moved from Venice to London). I do, of course, take the position of Kepler. The reason is a little strange. It's actually not because I'm German (what I actually am). But former neighbours of me had the name 'Kepler' and were the gran-grand-grand.. somethings of Johannes Kepler. That always impressed me and was the actual reason, why I started to have an interest in physics (long ago). >> Now: what if these people still exist and still want to surpress science? > > They certainly wouldn't have created a great of science! Sure, they haven't (most likely). But how will you know, if something crappy gets 'deified'? ... TH
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2022-11-05 09:07 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) |
| Message-ID | <jsmjt7Fg53U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #594679 |
Am 04.11.2022 um 08:10 schrieb Thomas Heger: > Am 03.11.2022 um 23:26 schrieb Volney: > >>> But the Catholic Church had a long history of interfering with science. >> >> So why would they somehow create someone considered one of the greatest >> of science? >>> >>> According to this video >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTiztUNrhhM >>> a lot of really good scientists got surpressed, like Kepler or >>> Leibnitz for instance. >> >> In your conspiracy, why didn't they suppress Einstein? > > Not Einstein was surpressed, of course, but Heinrich Hertz, Herman > Minkowski and Henry Poincaré. Heinrich Hertz was the physicist, who first used radio waves for transmission. Hertz was quoted by Einstein, but he did not write, which book of Hertz he meant. I found a possible source in 'Untersuchungen zur Ausbreitung der elektrischen Kraft'. Poincare wrote a book called 'Sur le dynamic de l'electron', which Einstein apparently quoted. TH
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| From | Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> |
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| Date | 2022-11-01 09:05 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) |
| Message-ID | <jsc2b4Fc0ljU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #594511 |
On 2022-10-31 18:36:27 +0000, Volney said: >> >> [ … ] >> Nope. It's known that the older one is, the harder it is to learn a >> language. Think of it: a baby learns to speak by being exposed to his >> parents. Multiple languages if multiple languages are spoken in the >> household. That's what happened with my sister's kids, they learned two >> languages natively, one from each parent, they are now fluent at both. That's basically the case of my youngest daughter, with the difference that since she was 3 we have lived in a country that is not that of either parent. She could speak English and Spanish when we arrived, and picked up French very quickly. She is now (at the age of 39) effortlessly fluent in all three. -- Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2022-11-02 08:44 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) |
| Message-ID | <jselfnFo7j1U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #594548 |
Am 01.11.2022 um 09:05 schrieb Athel Cornish-Bowden: > On 2022-10-31 18:36:27 +0000, Volney said: > >>> >>> [ … ] > >>> Nope. It's known that the older one is, the harder it is to learn a >>> language. Think of it: a baby learns to speak by being exposed to his >>> parents. Multiple languages if multiple languages are spoken in the >>> household. That's what happened with my sister's kids, they learned >>> two languages natively, one from each parent, they are now fluent at >>> both. > > That's basically the case of my youngest daughter, with the difference > that since she was 3 we have lived in a country that is not that of > either parent. She could speak English and Spanish when we arrived, and > picked up French very quickly. She is now (at the age of 39) > effortlessly fluent in all three. > > Friendst of me were from England and Chile, while the doughter only spoke German in Germany. It is actually the environment mainly, what dictates how kids speak. This is quite astonishing for parents from other countries. But other kids and media are also a source of language and that influence is mainly in the local language spoken in that area. TH
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-29 23:20 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) |
| Message-ID | <635E179B.510A@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #594383 |
whodat wrote: > > On 10/29/2022 1:20 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > Paul Alsing wrote: > >> > >> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 9:00:09 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > >>> Paul Alsing wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 4:35:59 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Okay, then tell me...What is the Official Language of Switzerland? > >>>> > >>>> Are you too stuopid to Google this up on your own? > >>>> > >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Switzerland > >>>> > >>>> "The four national languages of Switzerland are German, French, Italian, and Romansh." > >>> You deleted the sentence following it: > >>> > >>> and Italian maintain equal status as Official Languages at the national level within the Federal Administration of the Swiss Confederation. > >> > >> I didn't delete anything. I provided a link to the entire article and only quoted a relevant line from that article. I have no dog in this hunt and, as always, I am only looking for the pertinent facts of the discussion, facts that you continue to deny. Italian is an official language in Switzerland, along with 3 others, and this fact can not be refuted by you. > > > > > > It wasn't revelant since it did not contain the word..."official". But, > > that's fine..you prefer the word " national "... > > > > Okay then, The National language of Switzerland is Italian. Meaning, > > *nationwide*, countrywide, coast to coast > > You are the only one who makes this claim. You cannot cite any factual > basis for your claim. wada u have 60/50 vision? It's all up there! and Italian maintain equal status as *Official* Languages at the *national* level within the Federal Administration of the Swiss Confederation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Switzerland Definition for the word "national" is: na·tion·al /'naSH(?)n(?)l/ adjective relating to a nation; common to or characteristic of a whole nation. nationwide, countrywide, coast-to-coast, general, widespread, https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+national wat is wrong wit you bitches? pauline and whosudaty -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-30 07:50 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) |
| Message-ID | <js7a9eFitv4U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #594415 |
On 10/30/2022 1:20 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > whodat wrote: >> >> On 10/29/2022 1:20 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>> Paul Alsing wrote: >>>> >>>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 9:00:09 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>> Paul Alsing wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 4:35:59 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Okay, then tell me...What is the Official Language of Switzerland? >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you too stuopid to Google this up on your own? >>>>>> >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Switzerland >>>>>> >>>>>> "The four national languages of Switzerland are German, French, Italian, and Romansh." >>>>> You deleted the sentence following it: >>>>> >>>>> and Italian maintain equal status as Official Languages at the national level within the Federal Administration of the Swiss Confederation. >>>> >>>> I didn't delete anything. I provided a link to the entire article and only quoted a relevant line from that article. I have no dog in this hunt and, as always, I am only looking for the pertinent facts of the discussion, facts that you continue to deny. Italian is an official language in Switzerland, along with 3 others, and this fact can not be refuted by you. >>> >>> >>> It wasn't revelant since it did not contain the word..."official". But, >>> that's fine..you prefer the word " national "... >>> >>> Okay then, The National language of Switzerland is Italian. Meaning, >>> *nationwide*, countrywide, coast to coast >> >> You are the only one who makes this claim. You cannot cite any factual >> basis for your claim. > > wada u have 60/50 vision? It's all up there! > > > and Italian maintain equal status as *Official* Languages at the > *national* level within the Federal Administration of the Swiss > Confederation. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Switzerland > > > Definition for the word "national" is: > > na·tion·al > /'naSH(?)n(?)l/ > adjective > relating to a nation; common to or characteristic of a whole nation. > nationwide, countrywide, coast-to-coast, general, widespread, > https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+national > > > wat is wrong wit you bitches? pauline and whosudaty This discussion, as is the case with all of yours, is becoming increasingly stupid. The discussion has always been about your calling Italian "THE national language" when it is, in fact and deed, "A national language." And so you continue to argue off point hopeful others will simply give up.
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| From | whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-29 00:28 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <js3rveF2rjbU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #594347 |
On 10/28/2022 6:36 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > whodat wrote: >> >> On 10/28/2022 2:42 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>> Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: >>>> >>>> On 2022-10-28 17:02:55 +0000, The Starmaker said: >>>> >>>>> whodat wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Clearly you are a demented attention seeker. Your statements are >>>>>> inconsistent. Your original statement "The official language of >>>>>> Switzerland is Italian." (4th line below this) is completely different >>>>>> from "Italian is an official language in Italy, Switzerland" in the >>>>>> penultimate line of this article. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The official language in Italy is Italian. >>>>> >>>>> The official language in Switzerland is Italian. >>>> >>>> Clearly you don't understand the difference between "An" and "The". >>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_language >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Heger said he didn't understand how albert einstein went to italy >>>>> without knowing italian. >>>>> >>>>> I simply pointed out people in Germany spoke Italian also, and The >>>>> official language in Switzerland is Italian. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm sure people in Switzerland who spoke Italian also spoke German...to >>>>> a point they made >>>>> the official language in Switzerland Italian. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I didn't say it was the *only* official language in Switzerland. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately that's exactly what you did say. See above: you don't >>>> understand the difference between "An" and "The". Is your native >>>> language one like Russian that doesn't have articles? >>>>> >>>>> The official language in Switzerland is Italian. >>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_language >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Who knew they were so many guineas there! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> i mean, Wops. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (i'm used to the word guineas, not wops.) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm from New York, I knew a lot of guineas...even in the Bonano Family. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987. >>> >>> And The official language in Switzerland is Italian. >> >> Posting the same crap again and again only demonstrates how stupid you >> are. > > Okay, then tell me...What is the Official Language of Switzerland? There is no requirement that a country have a national language, let alone that there may only be one. Some countries do, some don't, and Switzerland has several. There isn't "one." There are several. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Switzerland To continue, "In 2003, a new law defending the rights of indigenous tongues declared that, given their historic value, 69 languages (including Spanish) would be recognized as Mexico's official languages. https://www.spanish55.com/blog/mexico-official-language "According to the Federal Law on National Languages, the official languages of Switzerland are German, French and Italian, as well as Romansh in dealings with people who speak this language. Romansh is a Rhaeto-Romance language with Latin roots and is widely spoken in the canton of Graubünden." https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/languages/29177618 What do you call someone who speaks two languages? Bilingual. What do you call someone who speaks three languages? Multilingual. What do you call someone who speaks one language? American. That's you, Starmaker, no?
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| From | whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-28 16:03 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <js2ucuFsu5jU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #594324 |
On 10/28/2022 12:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > whodat wrote: >> >> Clearly you are a demented attention seeker. Your statements are >> inconsistent. Your original statement "The official language of >> Switzerland is Italian." (4th line below this) is completely different >> from "Italian is an official language in Italy, Switzerland" in the >> penultimate line of this article. > > > The official language in Italy is Italian. Not unless they have a law that says so. I can't be bothered to look it up. > The official language in Switzerland is Italian. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_language You appear to have a significant problem with reading and comprehension, even after I explained the basics to you. The web page you referenced above states "Italian is an official language in Italy, Switzerland (Ticino and the Grisons), San Marino, and Vatican City." This sentence is an exact copy from the wikipedia web page. Just in case you don't understand, "The official language in Switzerland is Italian" is stating the factoid as being mutually exclusive whereas the web page you cited does not do that. Are you actually *that* stupid? Based on many of your postings that I have read it would appear you are. > Heger said he didn't understand how albert einstein went to italy without knowing italian. > > I simply pointed out people in Germany spoke Italian also, and The official language in Switzerland is Italian. The statement you keep repeating, "The official language in Switzerland is Italian" is false. As several other articles make clear, "official" languages in Switzerland are defined variously by law in applicable regions. Did you know that the United States does not have an "official language?" The expression "official language" means that a law says so. > I'm sure people in Switzerland who spoke Italian also spoke German...to a point they made > the official language in Switzerland Italian. Such a conclusion is baseless. Read the Swiss laws, they are definitive, your baseless opinion is not. > I didn't say it was the *only* official language in Switzerland. Clearly you do not understand what you wrote. As you stated it, Italian is the mutually exclusive official language. That's what "the" means as you used it. I refer you to authorities such as Strunk and White. Since you are using AmerEnglish to communicate you should know how the language is used. It is obvious that you do not. > The official language in Switzerland is Italian. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_language That is not what the cited page says! Once again, are you actually that stupid? Are you telling the readers here you do not know what the word "the" means? > Who knew they were so many guineas there! > i mean, Wops. > (i'm used to the word guineas, not wops.) > > > I'm from New York, I know that it is common for New Yorkers to brag about that. Everyone is from somewhere but that's no reason to brag. > I knew a lot of guineas...even in the Bonano Family. It is a pretty accurate guess that they are not happy to see someone as ignorant as you bandying their name about. If you are going to continue to post nonsense to Usenet it would behoove you to know just what that nonsense means.
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| From | Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-10-29 00:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <tji92n$3c15p$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #594324 |
On 10/28/2022 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > whodat wrote: >> >> Clearly you are a demented attention seeker. Your statements are >> inconsistent. Your original statement "The official language of >> Switzerland is Italian." (4th line below this) is completely different >> from "Italian is an official language in Italy, Switzerland" in the >> penultimate line of this article. > > > The official language in Italy is Italian. > > The official language in Switzerland is Italian. Nope. Switzerland has four official languages. French, Italian, German and Romansh. > Heger said he didn't understand how albert einstein went to italy without knowing italian. Nope. "The official language" implies there's only one official language. "An official language" (or "one of the official languages") implies there's more than one. There are four official languages in Switzerland, so "The official language of Switzerland" is wrong. > I didn't say it was the *only* official language in Switzerland. Yes you did, by saying it was "The official language of Switzerland".
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| From | whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-29 00:36 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <js3sfiF2rjbU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #594355 |
On 10/28/2022 11:10 PM, Volney wrote: > On 10/28/2022 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >> whodat wrote: >>> >>> Clearly you are a demented attention seeker. Your statements are >>> inconsistent. Your original statement "The official language of >>> Switzerland is Italian." (4th line below this) is completely different >>> from "Italian is an official language in Italy, Switzerland" in the >>> penultimate line of this article. >> >> >> The official language in Italy is Italian. >> >> The official language in Switzerland is Italian. > > Nope. Switzerland has four official languages. French, Italian, German > and Romansh. > >> Heger said he didn't understand how albert einstein went to italy >> without knowing italian. > > Nope. "The official language" implies there's only one official > language. "An official language" (or "one of the official languages") > implies there's more than one. There are four official languages in > Switzerland, so "The official language of Switzerland" is wrong. > >> I didn't say it was the *only* official language in Switzerland. > > Yes you did, by saying it was "The official language of Switzerland". Additionally: Definition of the " (Entry 1 of 4) 1a —used as a function word to indicate that a following noun or noun equivalent is definite or has been previously specified by context or by circumstance put the cat out b —used as a function word to indicate that a following noun or noun equivalent is a unique or a particular member of its class" There is more for those who actually have an interest. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/the Generally I don't like to refer to dictionary definitions in Usenet, but every once in a while the clear definition is necessary to settle an issue, usually when discussing something with a poorly educated individual.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2022-10-28 08:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <js1bq0Flj6bU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #594253 |
Am 27.10.2022 um 09:31 schrieb The Starmaker: > Thomas Heger wrote: >> >> Am 25.10.2022 um 19:42 schrieb The Starmaker: >> ... >>>>> As a son of a citizen of the Kingdom of Württemberg, Albert Einstein, >>>>> born in Ulm in 1879, was a citizen of the German Empire by birth. >>>>> >>>> History is written by the victors and you are not. >>>> >>>> So, you are requested to accept as actual facts, about what some victors >>>> had decided you have to believe. >>>> >>>> But besides of such 'history' (which we can safely assume to be at least >>>> partically faked), there is also an actual history, which is not written >>>> by victors, but by time itself. >>>> >>>> Now from fake does not follow a truth, if we invert the fake. Instead of >>>> this, we know nothing. >>>> >>>> In case of Einstein, I had doubts about his identity, because his cv >>>> made no sense to me. >>>> >>>> I would actually distrust a story, were a teenager left his family to go >>>> to school far away alone and in a different country, after giving up his >>>> intial citizenship. >>>> >>>> This is possible, but I would guess, that it is also unlikely. >>>> >>>> Teenagers simply don't do that. >>>> >>>> The other issue was, that the relocation of the Einsteins from Germany >>>> to Pavia, Italy would have required language skills, for which no >>>> obvious source can befound. >>>> >>>> TH >>> >>> >>> It does not require "language skills" to relocate.. >> >> Sure. >> >> But the Einstein's went to Italy to run a company. >> >> In this case some skills in Italian were certainly necessary. >> >> Also schools were language dependent. >> >> As teenagers had to go to school already in the early 20th century, >> young Albert needed some skills in Italian, if he wanted to stay in >> Pavia with his family. >> >> That was a time, when 'integration classes' for migrants were not yet >> known and children simply had to speak the language of the country, >> otherwise they had to learn it. >> >> But Einstein was not that good in learning foreign languages, as can be >> seen in his very poor performance in English after a decade at Princton. >> >>> >>> People from all walks of life are relocating who don't speak the >>> language of the country >>> they are entering everyday....(even scientists) (they drive UBER) >>> >>> dats why Jewish people live in Jewish neighborhoods and >>> dats why Russian people live in Russian neighborhoods and >>> dats why Spanish people live in Spanish neighborhoods and >>> dats why Chinks people live in Chinks neighborhoods and >>> dats why gueineas people live in wops neighborhoods and >> >> But not so in Italy, because what you describe is the USA. >> >> Italians spoke mainly Italian, while some speak German, but not in Pavia. >> >> Foreign languages were tought only to a relatively small elite, which >> could afford to attend better schools than the common peasants. >> >>> does your dog speak your language? What's on top of a building? Woof! >> >> I have no dog. But dogs cannot speak like humans, while they can >> actually understand human language quite well. >> >> Whether they communicate among each other in regional languages, I >> cannot say. But I would guess, they don't. >> >> TH >>> > > The official language of Switzerland is Italian. > As far as I know, the Swiss have four official languages. The main language is kind of German. But Germans from Germany have actually difficulties to understand that language, because the Swiss-Germans are very proud about their independency from Germany and do all in their power, to make their dialekt as different as possible to the Germany-German. It is also very important to understand and speak that language, if you want to relocate there, because otherwise Swiss people would regard you as a tourist. TH
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2022-10-26 08:27 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <jrs2a0Fj8dqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #594122 |
Am 25.10.2022 um 07:27 schrieb Thomas Heger: > Am 23.10.2022 um 21:25 schrieb The Starmaker: > >>> >>> I personally think, that Einstein's biography was faked. >>> >>> I would guess, that the person known as Einstein was actually a Swiss >>> citizen from birth. >>> >>> The reason to think so, was his extremely strange cv: >>> >>> He was left behind alone in Munich, as a teenager, after his family went >>> to Pavia in Italy. >>> >>> (That is strange, to say the least.) >>> >>> After some time Einstein left school and went to Italy for a year >>> (without going to school), gave up his German citizenship and went to >>> Zurich in Switzerland and later to Aarau, to go to school again. >>> >>> To me this story sounds impossible and made no sense. >>> >>> More likely his biography was faked and we don't know nothing about his >>> real nationality. >>> > >> >> As a son of a citizen of the Kingdom of Württemberg, Albert Einstein, >> born in Ulm in 1879, was a citizen of the German Empire by birth. >> > History is written by the victors and you are not. > > So, you are requested to accept as actual facts, about what some victors > had decided you have to believe. > > But besides of such 'history' (which we can safely assume to be at least > partically faked), there is also an actual history, which is not written > by victors, but by time itself. > > Now from fake does not follow a truth, if we invert the fake. Instead of > this, we know nothing. > > In case of Einstein, I had doubts about his identity, because his cv > made no sense to me. > > I would actually distrust a story, were a teenager left his family to go > to school far away alone and in a different country, after giving up his > intial citizenship. > > This is possible, but I would guess, that it is also unlikely. > > Teenagers simply don't do that. > > The other issue was, that the relocation of the Einsteins from Germany > to Pavia, Italy would have required language skills, for which no > obvious source can befound. Yet another issue was, that the Einsteins lived next door to a Jesuit facility in Pavia. Albert lived in Pavia for a couple of years (according to the website of the colledge, which now uses that location). This is much longer than the couple of month, that he lived there according to common narrative. Einstein had apparently connections to the Jesuits, as we can see in his relation to George le Maitre. So possibly these connections were tied in Pavia across the garden fence (actually a wall). He should also have spoken Italian and French fluently, as we can see in Einstein's relations to Le Maitre, Michele Besso, Langvin or Marie Curie. He also attended conferences, which were held in French. Now the language combination: German, French, Italian would lead us to Swizerland, because these are the languages spoken there (besides of Romanic). And, as a matter of fact, Einstein got Swiss citizenship (which was always difficult to get). What brings us to the question, whether or not Einstein was really born in Germany and what evidence we have for this. TH
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