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Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe
Date	2022-10-26 08:27 +0200
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Am 25.10.2022 um 07:27 schrieb Thomas Heger:
> Am 23.10.2022 um 21:25 schrieb The Starmaker:
>
>>>
>>> I personally think, that Einstein's biography was faked.
>>>
>>> I would guess, that the person known as Einstein was actually a Swiss
>>> citizen from birth.
>>>
>>> The reason to think so, was his extremely strange cv:
>>>
>>> He was left behind alone in Munich, as a teenager, after his family went
>>> to Pavia in Italy.
>>>
>>> (That is strange, to say the least.)
>>>
>>> After some time Einstein left school and went to Italy for a year
>>> (without going to school), gave up his German citizenship and went to
>>> Zurich in Switzerland and later to Aarau, to go to school again.
>>>
>>> To me this story sounds impossible and made no sense.
>>>
>>> More likely his biography was faked and we don't know nothing about his
>>> real nationality.
>>>
>
>>
>> As a son of a citizen of the Kingdom of Württemberg, Albert Einstein,
>> born in Ulm in 1879, was a citizen of the German Empire by birth.
>>
> History is written by the victors and you are not.
>
> So, you are requested to accept as actual facts, about what some victors
> had decided you have to believe.
>
> But besides of such 'history' (which we can safely assume to be at least
> partically faked), there is also an actual history, which is not written
> by victors, but by time itself.
>
> Now from fake does not follow a truth, if we invert the fake. Instead of
> this, we know nothing.
>
> In case of Einstein, I had doubts about his identity, because his cv
> made no sense to me.
>
> I would actually distrust a story, were a teenager left his family to go
> to school far away alone and in a different country, after giving up his
> intial citizenship.
>
> This is possible, but I would guess, that it is also unlikely.
>
> Teenagers simply don't do that.
>
> The other issue was, that the relocation of the Einsteins from Germany
> to Pavia, Italy would have required language skills, for which no
> obvious source can befound.

Yet another issue was, that the Einsteins lived next door to a Jesuit 
facility in Pavia.

Albert lived in Pavia for a couple of years (according to the website of 
the colledge, which now uses that location).

This is much longer than the couple of month, that he lived there 
according to common narrative.

Einstein had apparently connections to the Jesuits, as we can see in his 
relation to George le Maitre. So possibly these connections were tied in 
Pavia across the garden fence (actually a wall).

He should also have spoken Italian and French fluently, as we can see in 
Einstein's relations to Le Maitre, Michele Besso, Langvin or Marie 
Curie. He also attended conferences, which were held in French.

Now the language combination: German, French, Italian would lead us to 
Swizerland, because these are the languages spoken there (besides of 
Romanic).

And, as a matter of fact, Einstein got Swiss citizenship (which was 
always difficult to get).

What brings us to the question, whether or not Einstein was really born 
in Germany and what evidence we have for this.


TH

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                Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-21 21:42 -0700
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                Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-22 08:43 -0700
                Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-22 10:55 -0700
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                Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-25 07:27 +0200
                Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-25 10:42 -0700
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                Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-27 00:31 -0700
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                Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-28 10:02 -0700
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                Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-28 12:08 -0700
                Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-28 12:42 -0700
                Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-10-28 13:14 -0700
                Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-28 16:06 -0500
                Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-28 16:04 -0500
                Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-28 16:36 -0700
                Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-10-28 18:34 -0700
                Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-28 21:00 -0700
                Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-10-28 22:03 -0700
                Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-29 00:40 -0500
                Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-30 12:57 -0700
                Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-30 16:02 -0500
                Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-30 17:13 -0700
                Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-30 20:07 -0500
                Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-29 11:20 -0700
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