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| Started by | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| First post | 2022-12-16 22:29 -0800 |
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What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-16 22:29 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-17 09:31 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-12-17 10:26 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-12-17 10:44 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-17 11:20 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-12-17 22:31 +0100
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-12-17 13:40 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-17 16:02 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-12-17 16:18 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-17 22:18 -0800
Cretin Pat Dolan demonstrates once again that his ibecility extends to basic mathematics "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-12-17 16:57 -0800
Re: Cretin Pat Dolan demonstrates once again that his ibecility extends to basic mathematics patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-17 17:24 -0800
Re: Cretin Pat Dolan demonstrates once again that his ibecility extends to basic mathematics "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-12-17 17:45 -0800
Re: Cretin Pat Dolan demonstrates once again that his ibecility extends to basic mathematics patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-17 17:51 -0800
Re: Cretin Pat Dolan demonstrates once again that his ibecility extends to basic mathematics "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-12-17 17:53 -0800
Re: Cretin Pat Dolan demonstrates once again that his ibecility extends to basic mathematics Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-12-18 09:45 +0100
Re: Cretin Pat Dolan demonstrates once again that his ibecility extends to basic mathematics Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-18 00:49 -0800
Re: Cretin Pat Dolan demonstrates once again that his ibecility extends to basic mathematics patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-17 18:20 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-17 22:11 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-12-18 13:09 +0100
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Vitaliy Bazzoli <zvt@viavzl.oi> - 2022-12-18 18:06 +0000
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-18 12:15 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-19 11:44 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-17 15:51 -0800
Crank Pat Dolan puts foot in mouth "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-12-17 16:53 -0800
Re: Crank Pat Dolan puts foot in mouth Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-12-17 17:21 -0800
Re: Crank Pat Dolan puts foot in mouth "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-12-17 17:23 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-12-18 13:19 +0100
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-18 10:23 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-18 10:29 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-12-18 10:30 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-12-18 19:34 +0100
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-19 11:52 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-12-19 19:58 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-19 23:52 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-12-20 08:53 +0100
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-20 00:37 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-12-20 11:11 +0100
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-20 10:34 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-20 10:43 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-12-20 11:01 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-21 00:09 -0500
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-20 23:32 -0600
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-21 15:22 -0500
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Michelle Africano <nccr@amenica.he> - 2022-12-21 20:27 +0000
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-12-21 21:52 +0100
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2022-12-21 16:52 -0600
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Michelle Africano <nccr@amenica.he> - 2022-12-21 23:00 +0000
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-12-22 14:14 +0100
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-21 14:52 -0600
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2022-12-21 17:03 -0600
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-12-21 15:25 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-12-21 16:51 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-21 19:40 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-21 19:58 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-22 14:38 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-21 21:55 -0600
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-23 02:26 -0500
Crank Dick Hertz fails classical kinemnatics "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-12-23 11:08 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Michelle Africano <nccr@amenica.he> - 2022-12-21 23:25 +0000
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-21 21:53 -0600
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Rico Amato <toaa@araocco.rt> - 2022-12-22 16:04 +0000
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-22 12:41 -0600
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-12-22 11:53 +0100
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Rico Amato <toaa@araocco.rt> - 2022-12-22 15:57 +0000
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-22 23:43 -0500
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Rico Amato <toaa@araocco.rt> - 2022-12-23 18:59 +0000
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-23 16:43 -0600
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-12-22 11:53 +0100
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-12-22 09:44 +0100
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-22 02:15 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-12-21 05:18 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-21 15:38 -0500
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-12-21 11:43 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Michelle Africano <nccr@amenica.he> - 2022-12-21 19:53 +0000
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-12-21 20:14 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-21 20:51 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-01-21 12:04 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-20 14:15 -0600
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-12-19 14:23 +0100
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-12-19 05:54 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-12-20 20:20 +0100
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-20 12:03 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-19 08:46 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-19 09:21 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-19 11:38 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-19 11:52 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-19 23:03 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-12-17 18:40 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-17 22:09 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-17 23:47 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-12-17 23:54 -0800
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-19 05:54 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <6a64cf76-da99-4a1a-bf59-20faf13e4e15n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #597861 |
On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 10:23:14 AM UTC-3, Paul B. Andersen wrote: <snip> > The Newtonian gravitational force pushing you downwards is a pseudo force. > > The REAL force acting on you is pushing you upwards as explained above. Newton is false after 300 years, going down. Einstein is right after 100 years, going up. This is why relativists are THE PEST that fester physics, since they owned the mic and loudspeakers (around 1919). > You can feel the force pushing your butt. > You can't feel the Newtonian gravitational force pushing you downwards because there is no such force. This is why relativists are gay. They have publicly been stating that they like the push on their buts (since 1919). > > YOU stated "there are no forces in GR", which is an idiotic statement. There are no forces in GR, as you said it in your post. Only Newtonian pseudo forces, which are "not real". "Real" einstenian forces are what put satellites in orbit, isn't it? You are mentally sick, and live a delusional life of lies and falsities. Nice.
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| From | "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> |
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| Date | 2022-12-20 20:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <UVnoL.2425078$vSy3.908975@fx04.ams4> |
| In reply to | #597863 |
Den 19.12.2022 14:54, skrev Richard Hertz: > On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 10:23:14 AM UTC-3, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > >> The Newtonian gravitational force pushing you downwards is a pseudo force. >> >> The REAL force acting on you is pushing you upwards as explained above. > > Newton is false after 300 years, going down. Einstein is right after 100 years, going up. > This is why relativists are THE PEST that fester physics, since they owned the mic and loudspeakers (around 1919). > >> You can feel the force pushing your butt. >> You can't feel the Newtonian gravitational force pushing you downwards because there is no such force. > > This is why relativists are gay. They have publicly been stating that they like the push on their buts (since 1919). And since you are not gay, you are never sitting down because you can't stand the feeling of the chair pushing your butt? Your homophobia has strange consequences! > >> >> YOU stated "there are no forces in GR", which is an idiotic statement. > > There are no forces in GR, as you said it in your post. Only Newtonian pseudo forces, which are "not real". > "Real" einstenian forces are what put satellites in orbit, isn't it? > You are mentally sick, and live a delusional life of lies and falsities. Nice. Relax, sit down, and the _upwards_ force on your butt is very real. Don't worry, it won't make you homosexual! BTW, Richard. Your or mine or anybody's opinion of GR is irrelevant, because GR's validity doesn't depend on opinion, it depends on experimental evidence. Which is very clear: https://paulba.no/paper/index.html To keep claiming what is proven wrong is irrational behaviour. To believe that the experimental evidence will go away if you ignore it, is also irrational behaviour. Do you ignore the experimental evidence, Richard? -- Paul, loving to rub it in https://paulba.no/
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| From | Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-20 12:03 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <fe35f752-e3f7-41a7-a296-8393385c19f0n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #597935 |
On Tuesday, 20 December 2022 at 20:20:23 UTC+1, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > To believe that the experimental evidence will go > away if you ignore it, is also irrational behaviour. Sure, forbidden by your bunch of idiots GPS and TAI will keep measuring t'=t, ignoring them won't help The Shit.
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| From | Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-19 08:46 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <bf309749-038a-4ea8-8939-ea7b3a48f9c1n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #597861 |
On Monday, 19 December 2022 at 14:23:14 UTC+1, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > Den 18.12.2022 19:23, skrev patdolan: > > On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:19:24 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > >> Den 18.12.2022 00:51, skrev patdolan: > >>> On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 1:31:14 PM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > >>>> Den 17.12.2022 20:20, skrev patdolan: > >>>>> There are no GR formulae that describe forces between entities because there are no forces in GR; only the interplay of geodesics about mass, stress, pressure and energy. > >>>>> > >>>>> Weight, you say? There is no "weight" in GR? There is only the colocation of geodesics. Right Dono? > >> > >>>> Your weight is the force your chair is acting on your butt, > >>>> giving you a proper acceleration upwards. > >>>> > >>>> Your bathroom scale measures your weight, not your mass. > >>>> You can find your mass with a scale and an accelerometer. > >>>> > >>>> m = F/g > >>>> > >>>> When your bathroom scale shows kilograms, it is because > >>>> it assumes that you are at the Earth with known g. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Paul > >>>> > >>>> https://paulba.no/ > >> > >>> All correct Paul. All very correct. > >> Of course this is correct according to GR. > >> So you know you were wrong when you said: > >> " there are no forces in GR" > >> and > >> "There is no "weight" in GR" > >> -- > >> Paul > >> > >> https://paulba.no/ > > Young Veritasium, who is mentored by the finest physicists living today, has plainly stated that gravity is a pseudo-force. > The Newtonian gravitational force pushing you downwards is > a pseudo force. > > The REAL force acting on you is pushing you upwards as explained above. If a religious maniac is announcing and explaining - it must be true.
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| From | patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2022-12-19 09:21 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <35dfe5e4-39e2-488f-b54d-554af7d6e270n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #597861 |
On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 5:23:14 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > Den 18.12.2022 19:23, skrev patdolan: > > On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:19:24 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > >> Den 18.12.2022 00:51, skrev patdolan: > >>> On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 1:31:14 PM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > >>>> Den 17.12.2022 20:20, skrev patdolan: > >>>>> There are no GR formulae that describe forces between entities because there are no forces in GR; only the interplay of geodesics about mass, stress, pressure and energy. > >>>>> > >>>>> Weight, you say? There is no "weight" in GR? There is only the colocation of geodesics. Right Dono? > >> > >>>> Your weight is the force your chair is acting on your butt, > >>>> giving you a proper acceleration upwards. > >>>> > >>>> Your bathroom scale measures your weight, not your mass. > >>>> You can find your mass with a scale and an accelerometer. > >>>> > >>>> m = F/g > >>>> > >>>> When your bathroom scale shows kilograms, it is because > >>>> it assumes that you are at the Earth with known g. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Paul > >>>> > >>>> https://paulba.no/ > >> > >>> All correct Paul. All very correct. > >> Of course this is correct according to GR. > >> So you know you were wrong when you said: > >> " there are no forces in GR" > >> and > >> "There is no "weight" in GR" > >> -- > >> Paul > >> > >> https://paulba.no/ > > Young Veritasium, who is mentored by the finest physicists living today, has plainly stated that gravity is a pseudo-force. > The Newtonian gravitational force pushing you downwards is > a pseudo force. > > The REAL force acting on you is pushing you upwards as explained above. > > You can feel the force pushing your butt. > You can't feel the Newtonian gravitational force pushing you downwards > because there is no such force. > > YOU stated "there are no forces in GR", which is an idiotic statement. > > -- > Paul > > https://paulba.no/ But we are agreed on YV's equation of upwards push force? The upwards force that a tabletop produces on a brick at rest = mass x spacetime curvature x velocity through time Correct?
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-19 11:38 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <63A0BDB8.376A@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #597867 |
patdolan wrote: > > On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 5:23:14 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > > Den 18.12.2022 19:23, skrev patdolan: > > > On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:19:24 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > > >> Den 18.12.2022 00:51, skrev patdolan: > > >>> On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 1:31:14 PM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > > >>>> Den 17.12.2022 20:20, skrev patdolan: > > >>>>> There are no GR formulae that describe forces between entities because there are no forces in GR; only the interplay of geodesics about mass, stress, pressure and energy. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Weight, you say? There is no "weight" in GR? There is only the colocation of geodesics. Right Dono? > > >> > > >>>> Your weight is the force your chair is acting on your butt, > > >>>> giving you a proper acceleration upwards. > > >>>> > > >>>> Your bathroom scale measures your weight, not your mass. > > >>>> You can find your mass with a scale and an accelerometer. > > >>>> > > >>>> m = F/g > > >>>> > > >>>> When your bathroom scale shows kilograms, it is because > > >>>> it assumes that you are at the Earth with known g. > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Paul > > >>>> > > >>>> https://paulba.no/ > > >> > > >>> All correct Paul. All very correct. > > >> Of course this is correct according to GR. > > >> So you know you were wrong when you said: > > >> " there are no forces in GR" > > >> and > > >> "There is no "weight" in GR" > > >> -- > > >> Paul > > >> > > >> https://paulba.no/ > > > Young Veritasium, who is mentored by the finest physicists living today, has plainly stated that gravity is a pseudo-force. > > The Newtonian gravitational force pushing you downwards is > > a pseudo force. > > > > The REAL force acting on you is pushing you upwards as explained above. > > > > You can feel the force pushing your butt. > > You can't feel the Newtonian gravitational force pushing you downwards > > because there is no such force. > > > > YOU stated "there are no forces in GR", which is an idiotic statement. > > > > -- > > Paul > > > > https://paulba.no/ > But we are agreed on YV's equation of upwards push force? "upwards push force"???? Yous need to drop your math calculators. Less math more physics. It is mostly likely an 'upwards PULL force'. Pushing would require 'someone' under the table exerting force upwards. Like ghost or a bratty sister. So, an upwards push force is something above the table pulling what seems to be upwards. But no pushing. Yous need to drop your math calculators. Less math more physics. > > The upwards force that a tabletop produces on a brick at rest = mass x spacetime curvature x velocity through time > > Correct? -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2022-12-19 11:52 -0800 |
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| In reply to | #597871 |
On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 11:38:35 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: > patdolan wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 5:23:14 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > > > Den 18.12.2022 19:23, skrev patdolan: > > > > On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:19:24 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > > > >> Den 18.12.2022 00:51, skrev patdolan: > > > >>> On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 1:31:14 PM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > > > >>>> Den 17.12.2022 20:20, skrev patdolan: > > > >>>>> There are no GR formulae that describe forces between entities because there are no forces in GR; only the interplay of geodesics about mass, stress, pressure and energy. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Weight, you say? There is no "weight" in GR? There is only the colocation of geodesics. Right Dono? > > > >> > > > >>>> Your weight is the force your chair is acting on your butt, > > > >>>> giving you a proper acceleration upwards. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Your bathroom scale measures your weight, not your mass. > > > >>>> You can find your mass with a scale and an accelerometer. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> m = F/g > > > >>>> > > > >>>> When your bathroom scale shows kilograms, it is because > > > >>>> it assumes that you are at the Earth with known g. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -- > > > >>>> Paul > > > >>>> > > > >>>> https://paulba.no/ > > > >> > > > >>> All correct Paul. All very correct. > > > >> Of course this is correct according to GR. > > > >> So you know you were wrong when you said: > > > >> " there are no forces in GR" > > > >> and > > > >> "There is no "weight" in GR" > > > >> -- > > > >> Paul > > > >> > > > >> https://paulba.no/ > > > > Young Veritasium, who is mentored by the finest physicists living today, has plainly stated that gravity is a pseudo-force. > > > The Newtonian gravitational force pushing you downwards is > > > a pseudo force. > > > > > > The REAL force acting on you is pushing you upwards as explained above. > > > > > > You can feel the force pushing your butt. > > > You can't feel the Newtonian gravitational force pushing you downwards > > > because there is no such force. > > > > > > YOU stated "there are no forces in GR", which is an idiotic statement. > > > > > > -- > > > Paul > > > > > > https://paulba.no/ > > But we are agreed on YV's equation of upwards push force? > "upwards push force"???? Yous need to drop your math calculators. Less > math more physics. > > It is mostly likely an 'upwards PULL force'. Pushing would require > 'someone' under the table exerting force upwards. Like ghost or a bratty > sister. > > > So, an upwards push force is something above the table pulling what > seems to be upwards. > > But no pushing. > > Yous need to drop your math calculators. Less math more physics. > > > > The upwards force that a tabletop produces on a brick at rest = mass x spacetime curvature x velocity through time > > > > Correct? > -- > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > and challenge > the unchallengeable. Paul has a point, Starmaker. Picture yourself on ice skates on a lake near the shore. One end of a stiff spring is attached to a tree at the shore line and the other end is attached to your ass. rotchm pushes you towards the tree. As he does so you begin to feel a force on your ass. When he has compressed you and the spring almost to the tree, he lets you go. You continue to feel that force on your ass for as long as you accelerate out into the lake. The same with the chair, according to Paul. You feel the force from the chair on your ass because you are accelerated up by the product of spacetime curvature and your velocity through time. Got it?
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-19 23:03 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <63A15E35.5228@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #597874 |
patdolan wrote: > > On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 11:38:35 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: > > patdolan wrote: > > > > > > On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 5:23:14 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > > > > Den 18.12.2022 19:23, skrev patdolan: > > > > > On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:19:24 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > > > > >> Den 18.12.2022 00:51, skrev patdolan: > > > > >>> On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 1:31:14 PM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > > > > >>>> Den 17.12.2022 20:20, skrev patdolan: > > > > >>>>> There are no GR formulae that describe forces between entities because there are no forces in GR; only the interplay of geodesics about mass, stress, pressure and energy. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Weight, you say? There is no "weight" in GR? There is only the colocation of geodesics. Right Dono? > > > > >> > > > > >>>> Your weight is the force your chair is acting on your butt, > > > > >>>> giving you a proper acceleration upwards. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Your bathroom scale measures your weight, not your mass. > > > > >>>> You can find your mass with a scale and an accelerometer. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> m = F/g > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> When your bathroom scale shows kilograms, it is because > > > > >>>> it assumes that you are at the Earth with known g. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> -- > > > > >>>> Paul > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> https://paulba.no/ > > > > >> > > > > >>> All correct Paul. All very correct. > > > > >> Of course this is correct according to GR. > > > > >> So you know you were wrong when you said: > > > > >> " there are no forces in GR" > > > > >> and > > > > >> "There is no "weight" in GR" > > > > >> -- > > > > >> Paul > > > > >> > > > > >> https://paulba.no/ > > > > > Young Veritasium, who is mentored by the finest physicists living today, has plainly stated that gravity is a pseudo-force. > > > > The Newtonian gravitational force pushing you downwards is > > > > a pseudo force. > > > > > > > > The REAL force acting on you is pushing you upwards as explained above. > > > > > > > > You can feel the force pushing your butt. > > > > You can't feel the Newtonian gravitational force pushing you downwards > > > > because there is no such force. > > > > > > > > YOU stated "there are no forces in GR", which is an idiotic statement. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > https://paulba.no/ > > > But we are agreed on YV's equation of upwards push force? > > "upwards push force"???? Yous need to drop your math calculators. Less > > math more physics. > > > > It is mostly likely an 'upwards PULL force'. Pushing would require > > 'someone' under the table exerting force upwards. Like ghost or a bratty > > sister. > > > > > > So, an upwards push force is something above the table pulling what > > seems to be upwards. > > > > But no pushing. > > > > Yous need to drop your math calculators. Less math more physics. > > > > > > The upwards force that a tabletop produces on a brick at rest = mass x spacetime curvature x velocity through time > > > > > > Correct? > > -- > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > and challenge > > the unchallengeable. > Paul has a point, Starmaker. Picture yourself on ice skates on a lake near the shore. One end of a stiff spring is attached to a tree at the shore line and the other end is attached to your ass. rotchm pushes you towards the tree. As he does so you begin to feel a force on your ass. When he has compressed you and the spring almost to the tree, he lets you go. You continue to feel that force on your ass for as long as you accelerate out into the lake. > > The same with the chair, according to Paul. You feel the force from the chair on your ass because you are accelerated up by the product of spacetime curvature and your velocity through time. > > Got it? I'm from Brooklyn. I cannot picture myself on ice skates on a lake near the shore...dats to gay. dats fag stuff. gay people are genetic defects. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-17 18:40 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <163ac39f-48a1-40ba-b994-f67cc97486cdn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #597722 |
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 11:20:06 AM UTC-8, patdolan wrote: > On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 10:44:32 AM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:28:00 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: > > > What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? > > > > > There is downward weight... > Mitch to the rescue again! GR only describes the kinematic characteristics of entities located in affine geometries. Or as Misner, Thorne and Wheeler put it "Two bodies, initially falling through spacetime on parallel, neighboring geodesics, get pushed toward each other or apart by tidal gravitational forces (spacetime curvature)". But that is where the characterization ends. There are no GR formulae that describe forces between entities because there are no forces in GR; only the interplay of geodesics about mass, stress, pressure and energy. > > Weight, you say? There is no "weight" in GR? There is only the colocation of geodesics. Right Dono? There is weight from gravity and weightlessness. There is no zero gravity... The space station is in orbit. Mitchell Raemsch
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-17 22:09 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <639EAEA7.2966@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #597719 |
mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:28:00 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: > > What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? > > > > There is downward weight... downward weight? you mean pushing from up to down? "the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground" so it would have to be a force in the earth pulling from inside the groumd at your feet. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-17 23:47 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <639EC57A.7328@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #597787 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:28:00 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: > > > What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? > > > > > > > There is downward weight... > > downward weight? you mean pushing from up to down? > > "the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground" > > so it would have to be a force in the earth pulling from inside the > groumd at your feet. > In other words, there has to be little particles that are in the earth that reach out and grab my feet..and pull on it. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-17 23:54 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <eff561fe-1c2b-496f-889b-2e60352c1ae8n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #597790 |
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 11:45:53 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:28:00 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? > > > > > > > > > > There is downward weight... > > > > downward weight? you mean pushing from up to down? > > > > "the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground" > > > > so it would have to be a force in the earth pulling from inside the > > groumd at your feet. > > > In other words, there has to be little particles that are in the earth > that reach out > and grab my feet..and pull on it. > -- > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > and challenge > the unchallengeable. There is no such thing as gravity... the earth just sucks... that's all there is to it...
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