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Anti-relativist The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-12-24 12:21 -0800
Re: Anti-relativist Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-12-24 16:13 -0800
Re: Anti-relativist The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-12-24 20:12 -0800
Re: Anti-relativist Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 11:10 -0800
Re: Anti-relativist The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-12-27 10:48 -0800
Re: Anti-relativist The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-12-27 23:51 -0800
| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-24 12:21 -0800 |
| Subject | Anti-relativist |
| Message-ID | <676B17D4.697B@ix.netcom.com> |
Anti-relativist? in Einstein's day means anti-JewishPhysics dats wat dey used to call yous in einstein day. einstein cult deniers 'Jewish physics' "Galilean Electrodynamics"? -- Einstein's Science Albert Einstein is prejudiced against any scientist who is not of his religion and race. As he once told a Catholic Priest "...your grasp of physics is 'abominable'." Which means :repugnantly hateful; detestable; loathsome despicable contemptible damnable cursed accursed diabolical disgusting revolting repellent repulsive offensive repugnant abhorrent reprehensible atrocious horrifying execrable foul vile wretched miserable horrible awful dreadful appalling abysmal brutal nauseating horrid nasty disagreeable unpleasant distasteful terrible shocking godawful beastly Einstein use a lot of hate speech on other scientist who are not of his religion and race. In other words, if you are not of his religion and race...then you are "No men of science," EINSTEIN:"No men of science," As you can see for yourself in this conversation he had with a reporter... http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1921-04-03/ed-1/seq-3/ http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1921-04-03/ed-1/seq-3/ocr/ http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1921-04-03/ed-1/seq-3.pdf REPORTER:""Why were men of science opposed to your theory when you first made it known ?" EINSTEIN:"No men of science," he replied, em phasizing the last'word, "were against the theory." REPORTER:"But there was some opposition?" EINSTEIN:"Yes," was the quiet reply, "but that was purely political. Even the physicists who opposed my theory did so for political reasons?in my opinion, o' course." REPORTER:"What do you mean when you say the opposition was political?" EINSTEIN:"Anti-Semitism," was the scientist's answer. "Because I am a Jew." "" Okay, here is more of what Albert Einstein was thinking: Reporter: "Why were men of science opposed to your theory when you first made it known ?" Einstein: 'No fucking men of SCIENCE were against the theory.' Reporter: "But there was some opposition?" Einstein: 'Yeah, but that was motherfuckin purely political. Even those fucking physi-cists who opposed my theory did so for stupid political reasons, that's a fact jack.' Reporter: "What do you mean when you say the opposition was political?" Einstein: 'They are fuckin Anti-Semitics. Fuckin Jew Haters! Because they know I'm a fucking Jew.' -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-24 16:13 -0800 |
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| In reply to | #659810 |
Merry Christmas to you, too. Happy Hanukkah Now go away
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-24 20:12 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <676B863D.7825@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #659812 |
Ross Finlayson wrote: > > Merry Christmas to you, too. Happy Hanukkah > > Now go away The Truth is... there is no relativity between two clocks! There is no relation between two clocks. There are no forces between two clocks that would in any way affect one clock from another. NOTHING! No relations to each other!! The Truth is... there is no relativity between two clocks! Does one clock slow the other clock down? Of course not! There is no relation between two clocks. Does one clock even care what time it is on the other clock???? there is no relativity between two clocks And Ross, I don't recall giving you permission to post here... The Starmaker wrote: > > Anti-relativist? in Einstein's day means anti-JewishPhysics > > dats wat dey used to call yous in einstein day. > > einstein cult deniers > > 'Jewish physics' > > "Galilean Electrodynamics"? > > -- > > Einstein's Science > > Albert Einstein is prejudiced against any scientist who is > not of his religion and race. > > As he once told a Catholic Priest "...your grasp of physics is > 'abominable'." > > Which means :repugnantly hateful; detestable; loathsome > > despicable > contemptible > damnable > cursed > accursed > diabolical > disgusting > revolting > repellent > repulsive > offensive > repugnant > abhorrent > reprehensible > atrocious > horrifying > execrable > foul > vile > wretched > miserable > horrible > awful > dreadful > appalling > abysmal > brutal > nauseating > horrid > nasty > disagreeable > unpleasant > distasteful > terrible > shocking > godawful > beastly > > Einstein use a lot of hate speech on other scientist who are not > of his religion and race. > > In other words, if you are not > of his religion and race...then you are "No men of science," > EINSTEIN:"No men of science," > > As you can see for yourself in this conversation he had with a > reporter... > > http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1921-04-03/ed-1/seq-3/ > http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1921-04-03/ed-1/seq-3/ocr/ > http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1921-04-03/ed-1/seq-3.pdf > > REPORTER:""Why were men of science opposed > to your theory when you first made it > known ?" > EINSTEIN:"No men of science," he replied, em > phasizing the last'word, "were against > the theory." > REPORTER:"But there was some opposition?" > EINSTEIN:"Yes," was the quiet reply, "but that > was purely political. Even the physicists who opposed my theory did so > for > political reasons?in my opinion, o' > course." > REPORTER:"What do you mean when you say > the opposition was political?" > EINSTEIN:"Anti-Semitism," was the scientist's > answer. "Because I am a Jew." "" > > Okay, here is more of what Albert Einstein was thinking: > > Reporter: "Why were men of science opposed > to your theory when you first made it > known ?" > > Einstein: 'No fucking men of SCIENCE were against the theory.' > > Reporter: "But there was some opposition?" > > Einstein: 'Yeah, but that > was motherfuckin purely political. Even those fucking physi-cists who > opposed my theory did so for > stupid political reasons, that's a fact jack.' > > Reporter: "What do you mean when you say > the opposition was political?" > > Einstein: 'They are fuckin Anti-Semitics. Fuckin Jew Haters! Because > they know I'm a fucking Jew.' > > -- > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > and challenge the unchallengeable. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-25 11:10 -0800 |
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| In reply to | #659814 |
On 12/24/2024 08:12 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > Ross Finlayson wrote: >> >> Merry Christmas to you, too. Happy Hanukkah >> >> Now go away > > > The Truth is... > > there is no relativity between two clocks! > > There is no relation between two clocks. > > There are no forces between two clocks that > would in any way affect one clock from another. > > NOTHING! No relations to each other!! > > > The Truth is... > > there is no relativity between two clocks! > > > > Does one clock slow the other clock down? > > > Of course not! > > > There is no relation between two clocks. > > > > Does one clock even care what time it is on the other clock???? > > > > there is no relativity between two clocks > > > > And Ross, I don't recall giving you permission to post here... > > > The problems include that's just making problems. Being "anti-relativist" may mean being "absolutist", "idealist", say. Yet, our theories include relativism, and include absolutism, and include idealism, and include analytical discourse. "Relativism" and "The Fourth Dimension" and the changes of the time's around fin de sciecle or 1900 AD, from "natural order a Newtonian system of the world" to "logicist positivism an empiricist pragmatism a scientism", includes many different changes in the dogma, and the doctrine, of the discourse. Then, relating that to "The Jewish Conspiracy", is not accepted here, and it's just making problems, might as well be all about "The Bavarian Illuminati", Einstein's a pretty great guy, yet this is as much about Carnap and the Vienna Circle, about the changes from "Greek and German and British idealism", and "scientist logicist positivism" after Compte and Boole and Russell and Popper, "logicist positivism". So, "logicist positivism" then of course made for "existentialism and nihilism" and that then of course made for all kinds of terrible things like Engels and Marx and after Nietszche progressives the anti-Platonic, rejecting the idealism, rejecting the absolutism, and taking from the new science perceived justifications of the free-for-all, that's rejected by people who know that there are _both_ of absolutism, and for mathematical Platonism, and relativism, or the analytical discourse about the phenomenological or after Kant and Hegel, who were both _both_ idealists, and, relativists. Thusly, "inter-subjectivity" still makes for an "inter-objectivity", and there are reasons why one can look at theory that's merely objective and absolute or merely subjective and relative. So, I reject that you say anti-relativism is necessarily anything racist and furthermore dispute that critically taking apart Einstein's theory is any attack on the man or his race. Now, there's a saying "one can't fix stupid", and it's true some have racist ideologies that are immaterial to the science itself, yet trying to make it the other way is just double-stupid. Because others don't, and, most don't! Instead, thinking beings can consider the greater theory, and have idealism, and have both the idealist and analytic traditions, with some sort of merest teleology, for the ontology, and an object-sense for the necessary phenomenological import so that theory can be good, and the parts of that that are "not relativist" and the parts of that that are "relativist" can go together just fine. Everything's related, is the idea. Try thinking objectively in terms then, that, it's not about you. Objectively, personally, it's all about you, objectively, impersonally, it's none about you. Racist ideologies have been poisoning discourse, and it's garbage. Now, Merry Christmas to you, too. And Happy Hannukah.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-27 10:48 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <676EF66B.6454@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #659814 |
Let me put it this way.. There is only one thing that caused life on earth.. but with so many people trying to guess what that is, you get billions of different reasons. But there is still only one reason. Problem is...you have too many frames of references. You need to first get rid of this 'thing' you call...'frames of reference'. It creates too much misinformation. The Starmaker wrote: > > Ross Finlayson wrote: > > > > Merry Christmas to you, too. Happy Hanukkah > > > > Now go away > > The Truth is... > > there is no relativity between two clocks! > > There is no relation between two clocks. > > There are no forces between two clocks that > would in any way affect one clock from another. > > NOTHING! No relations to each other!! > > The Truth is... > > there is no relativity between two clocks! > > Does one clock slow the other clock down? > > Of course not! > > There is no relation between two clocks. > > Does one clock even care what time it is on the other clock???? > > there is no relativity between two clocks > > And Ross, I don't recall giving you permission to post here... > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Anti-relativist? in Einstein's day means anti-JewishPhysics > > > > dats wat dey used to call yous in einstein day. > > > > einstein cult deniers > > > > 'Jewish physics' > > > > "Galilean Electrodynamics"? > > > > -- > > > > Einstein's Science > > > > Albert Einstein is prejudiced against any scientist who is > > not of his religion and race. > > > > As he once told a Catholic Priest "...your grasp of physics is > > 'abominable'." > > > > Which means :repugnantly hateful; detestable; loathsome > > > > despicable > > contemptible > > damnable > > cursed > > accursed > > diabolical > > disgusting > > revolting > > repellent > > repulsive > > offensive > > repugnant > > abhorrent > > reprehensible > > atrocious > > horrifying > > execrable > > foul > > vile > > wretched > > miserable > > horrible > > awful > > dreadful > > appalling > > abysmal > > brutal > > nauseating > > horrid > > nasty > > disagreeable > > unpleasant > > distasteful > > terrible > > shocking > > godawful > > beastly > > > > Einstein use a lot of hate speech on other scientist who are not > > of his religion and race. > > > > In other words, if you are not > > of his religion and race...then you are "No men of science," > > EINSTEIN:"No men of science," > > > > As you can see for yourself in this conversation he had with a > > reporter... > > > > http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1921-04-03/ed-1/seq-3/ > > http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1921-04-03/ed-1/seq-3/ocr/ > > http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1921-04-03/ed-1/seq-3.pdf > > > > REPORTER:""Why were men of science opposed > > to your theory when you first made it > > known ?" > > EINSTEIN:"No men of science," he replied, em > > phasizing the last'word, "were against > > the theory." > > REPORTER:"But there was some opposition?" > > EINSTEIN:"Yes," was the quiet reply, "but that > > was purely political. Even the physicists who opposed my theory did so > > for > > political reasons?in my opinion, o' > > course." > > REPORTER:"What do you mean when you say > > the opposition was political?" > > EINSTEIN:"Anti-Semitism," was the scientist's > > answer. "Because I am a Jew." "" > > > > Okay, here is more of what Albert Einstein was thinking: > > > > Reporter: "Why were men of science opposed > > to your theory when you first made it > > known ?" > > > > Einstein: 'No fucking men of SCIENCE were against the theory.' > > > > Reporter: "But there was some opposition?" > > > > Einstein: 'Yeah, but that > > was motherfuckin purely political. Even those fucking physi-cists who > > opposed my theory did so for > > stupid political reasons, that's a fact jack.' > > > > Reporter: "What do you mean when you say > > the opposition was political?" > > > > Einstein: 'They are fuckin Anti-Semitics. Fuckin Jew Haters! Because > > they know I'm a fucking Jew.' -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-27 23:51 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <676FAE1C.137A@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #659856 |
In other words, ... nobody can agree what time it is now because nobody knows what time it is now. Nobody. Frame of reference is false reference. The Starmaker wrote: > > Let me put it this way.. > > There is only one thing > that caused life on earth.. > > but with so many people trying to > guess what that is, you get > billions of different reasons. > > But there is still only one reason. > > Problem is...you have too many frames of references. > > You need to first get rid of this 'thing' you call...'frames of > reference'. > > It creates too much misinformation. > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Ross Finlayson wrote: > > > > > > Merry Christmas to you, too. Happy Hanukkah > > > > > > Now go away > > > > The Truth is... > > > > there is no relativity between two clocks! > > > > There is no relation between two clocks. > > > > There are no forces between two clocks that > > would in any way affect one clock from another. > > > > NOTHING! No relations to each other!! > > > > The Truth is... > > > > there is no relativity between two clocks! > > > > Does one clock slow the other clock down? > > > > Of course not! > > > > There is no relation between two clocks. > > > > Does one clock even care what time it is on the other clock???? > > > > there is no relativity between two clocks > > > > And Ross, I don't recall giving you permission to post here... > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > Anti-relativist? in Einstein's day means anti-JewishPhysics > > > > > > dats wat dey used to call yous in einstein day. > > > > > > einstein cult deniers > > > > > > 'Jewish physics' > > > > > > "Galilean Electrodynamics"? > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Einstein's Science > > > > > > Albert Einstein is prejudiced against any scientist who is > > > not of his religion and race. > > > > > > As he once told a Catholic Priest "...your grasp of physics is > > > 'abominable'." > > > > > > Which means :repugnantly hateful; detestable; loathsome > > > > > > despicable > > > contemptible > > > damnable > > > cursed > > > accursed > > > diabolical > > > disgusting > > > revolting > > > repellent > > > repulsive > > > offensive > > > repugnant > > > abhorrent > > > reprehensible > > > atrocious > > > horrifying > > > execrable > > > foul > > > vile > > > wretched > > > miserable > > > horrible > > > awful > > > dreadful > > > appalling > > > abysmal > > > brutal > > > nauseating > > > horrid > > > nasty > > > disagreeable > > > unpleasant > > > distasteful > > > terrible > > > shocking > > > godawful > > > beastly > > > > > > Einstein use a lot of hate speech on other scientist who are not > > > of his religion and race. > > > > > > In other words, if you are not > > > of his religion and race...then you are "No men of science," > > > EINSTEIN:"No men of science," > > > > > > As you can see for yourself in this conversation he had with a > > > reporter... > > > > > > http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1921-04-03/ed-1/seq-3/ > > > http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1921-04-03/ed-1/seq-3/ocr/ > > > http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1921-04-03/ed-1/seq-3.pdf > > > > > > REPORTER:""Why were men of science opposed > > > to your theory when you first made it > > > known ?" > > > EINSTEIN:"No men of science," he replied, em > > > phasizing the last'word, "were against > > > the theory." > > > REPORTER:"But there was some opposition?" > > > EINSTEIN:"Yes," was the quiet reply, "but that > > > was purely political. Even the physicists who opposed my theory did so > > > for > > > political reasons?in my opinion, o' > > > course." > > > REPORTER:"What do you mean when you say > > > the opposition was political?" > > > EINSTEIN:"Anti-Semitism," was the scientist's > > > answer. "Because I am a Jew." "" > > > > > > Okay, here is more of what Albert Einstein was thinking: > > > > > > Reporter: "Why were men of science opposed > > > to your theory when you first made it > > > known ?" > > > > > > Einstein: 'No fucking men of SCIENCE were against the theory.' > > > > > > Reporter: "But there was some opposition?" > > > > > > Einstein: 'Yeah, but that > > > was motherfuckin purely political. Even those fucking physi-cists who > > > opposed my theory did so for > > > stupid political reasons, that's a fact jack.' > > > > > > Reporter: "What do you mean when you say > > > the opposition was political?" > > > > > > Einstein: 'They are fuckin Anti-Semitics. Fuckin Jew Haters! Because > > > they know I'm a fucking Jew.' > -- > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > and challenge the unchallengeable. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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