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  "now" beda pietanza <bedapietanza@gmail.com> - 2022-12-26 13:36 -0800
    Re: "now" rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2022-12-26 14:24 -0800
      Re: "now" Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> - 2022-12-26 22:59 +0000
        Re: "now" beda pietanza <bedapietanza@gmail.com> - 2022-12-26 15:48 -0800
          Re: "now" Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> - 2022-12-26 23:52 +0000
            Re: "now" beda pietanza <bedapietanza@gmail.com> - 2022-12-27 08:03 -0800
      Re: "now" beda pietanza <bedapietanza@gmail.com> - 2022-12-26 15:37 -0800
    Re: "now" Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> - 2022-12-26 22:56 +0000
    Re: "now" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-12-26 16:54 -0800
    Re: "now" The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-26 19:11 -0800
      Re: "now" whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-26 23:07 -0600
        Re: "now" "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-12-26 21:17 -0800
          Re: "now" The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-28 13:32 -0800
    Re: "now" beda pietanza <bedapietanza@gmail.com> - 2022-12-27 05:53 -0800
      Re: "now" The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-27 12:00 -0800

#598293 — "now"

The instantaneous "now" passes by in an absolute synchronization all over the universe!!!
cheers
beda

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#598297

On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 4:36:37 PM UTC-5, bedapi...@gmail.com wrote:
> The instantaneous "now" passes by in an absolute synchronization all over the universe!!! 

Yes, but its impractical; it can not be produced. Its unmeasurable, hence out of the bounds of physics.
Its metaphysics. 

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#598300

Le 26/12/2022 à 23:24, rotchm a écrit :
>> The instantaneous "now" passes by in an absolute synchronization all over the 
>> universe!!! 
> 
> Yes, but its impractical; it can not be produced. Its unmeasurable, hence out of 
> the bounds of physics.
> Its metaphysics. 


The "instant now" is not absolute.

Each entity in the universe has its own.

Romeo placed on this bench, and Juliette placed on this other have very 
different notions of simultaneity and of their present universe.

This is what I call universal anisochrony, and it is this property of the 
world that I have so much trouble teaching when I understood it at eleven.

R.H. 

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#598306

Il giorno martedì 27 dicembre 2022 alle 00:00:03 UTC+1 Richard Hachel ha scritto:
> Le 26/12/2022 à 23:24, rotchm a écrit : 
> >> The instantaneous "now" passes by in an absolute synchronization all over the 
> >> universe!!! 
> > 
> > Yes, but its impractical; it can not be produced. Its unmeasurable, hence out of 
> > the bounds of physics. 
> > Its metaphysics.
> The "instant now" is not absolute. 
> 
> Each entity in the universe has its own. 
> 
> Romeo placed on this bench, and Juliette placed on this other have very 
> different notions of simultaneity and of their present universe. 
> 
> This is what I call universal anisochrony, and it is this property of the 
> world that I have so much trouble teaching when I understood it at eleven. 
> 
> R.H.
??????
hard to guess what you mean.
in any case, each separate entity has its own "now" that is instantly the same all over.
or say what make their "nows" asynchronous??
cheers
beda

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#598307

Le 27/12/2022 à 00:48, beda pietanza a écrit :
> ? ? ? ? ? ? 
> hard to guess what you mean.
> in any case, each separate entity has its own "now" that is instantly the same 
> all over.
> or say what make their "nows" asynchronous? ? 
> cheers
> beda

It is however very simple.

How is it that we cannot admit this property of the universe?

R.H.

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#598354

Il giorno martedì 27 dicembre 2022 alle 00:53:00 UTC+1 Richard Hachel ha scritto:
> Le 27/12/2022 à 00:48, beda pietanza a écrit : 
> > ? ? ? ? ? ?
> > hard to guess what you mean. 
> > in any case, each separate entity has its own "now" that is instantly the same 
> > all over. 
> > or say what make their "nows" asynchronous? ? 
> > cheers 
> > beda
> It is however very simple. 
> 
> How is it that we cannot admit this property of the universe? 
> 
> R.H.
what is very simple?
What property of the universe?
cheers
beda

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#598304

Il giorno lunedì 26 dicembre 2022 alle 23:24:49 UTC+1 rotchm ha scritto:
> On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 4:36:37 PM UTC-5, bedapi...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > The instantaneous "now" passes by in an absolute synchronization all over the universe!!!
> Yes, but its impractical; it can not be produced. Its unmeasurable, hence out of the bounds of physics. 
> Its metaphysics.
beda
metaphysics is much more important than physics.
physics that contradicts metaphysics is vacuous
cheers
beda

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#598299

Le 26/12/2022 à 22:36, beda pietanza a écrit :
> The instantaneous "now" passes by in an absolute synchronization all over the 
> universe!!!
> cheers
> beda

It is wrong to consider that the earth is flat, and that a good 
representation consists in drawing a large 2D map.

Everyone knows it.

It is wrong to think that bodies fall at constant speed and that an 
equation x=v.t sums up the situation very well.

Everyone knows it.

That's why there are sometimes pretty terrestrial globes on desks, and 
that's why students always ask the equation x=(1/2)gt²

But in a very strange way, there are things that physicists, theologians, 
and philosophers themselves don't seem to know, and among these, that the 
universe is not isochronous.

That is, what they call the "present time plan" does not exist.

They believe in it hard as iron, and in this their illusion is total.

This dramatic error then leads them, by domino effect, to a multitude of 
other errors: they believe, for example, that two watches can be 
synchronized, and gently separate them to place them in two different 
places, and admit that they give the same time reciprocally, and that they 
are synchronized.

It's wrong. They are not synchronized. They beat in the same chronotropy 
(ie at the same speed) of course. You would have to be utterly stupid to 
believe that one is going to start beating faster than the other for no 
apparent reason.

But it is necessary to be of a certain ignorance not to understand that 
the two watches reciprocally see the other watch being delayed by a 
duration Et=x/c, and that this phenomenon is not due to the illusion given 
by the speed of light, but that it is a real, physical, inescapable 
effect.

It is the speed of light that is the illusion.

Do you understand these things?

R.H. 

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#598310

On 12/26/2022 1:36 PM, beda pietanza wrote:
> The instantaneous "now" passes by in an absolute synchronization all over the universe!!!

What about now, now:

https://youtu.be/nRGCZh5A8T4?t=91

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#598315

beda pietanza wrote:
> 
> The instantaneous "now" passes by in an absolute synchronization all over the universe!!!
> cheers
> beda

"now" does not passes by...Now doesn't move. It's always Now.

What time is it now?



-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#598327

On 12/26/2022 9:11 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> beda pietanza wrote:
>>
>> The instantaneous "now" passes by in an absolute synchronization all over the universe!!!
>> cheers
>> beda
> 
> "now" does not passes by...Now doesn't move. It's always Now.
> 
> What time is it now?

Please don't be an idiot. Now is a variable.

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#598330

On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 9:07:19 PM UTC-8, whodat wrote:
> On 12/26/2022 9:11 PM, The Starmaker wrote: 
> > beda pietanza wrote: 
> >> 
> >> The instantaneous "now" passes by in an absolute synchronization all over the universe!!! 
> >> cheers 
> >> beda 
> > 
> > "now" does not passes by...Now doesn't move. It's always Now. 
> > 
> > What time is it now?
> Please don't be an idiot. Now is a variable.

There is a now common instant across space since its absolute
beginning. It took time for the most distant galaxies to get to
where they are. That time took place after the Big Bang.

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#598464

mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 9:07:19 PM UTC-8, whodat wrote:
> > On 12/26/2022 9:11 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > beda pietanza wrote:
> > >>
> > >> The instantaneous "now" passes by in an absolute synchronization all over the universe!!!
> > >> cheers
> > >> beda
> > >
> > > "now" does not passes by...Now doesn't move. It's always Now.
> > >
> > > What time is it now?
> > Please don't be an idiot. Now is a variable.
> 
> There is a now common instant across space since its absolute
> beginning. It took time for the most distant galaxies to get to
> where they are. That time took place after the Big Bang.


I know you scientists don't even bother to Think about things..
but when exactly do you believe Time "took place" AFTER the Big Bang????

Look at your clocks and measure it. 


Or to use your own words...

"That time took place AFTER the Big Bang."


How much After?


Look at your clocks and measure it. 


Or, how long does it take to make a clock?
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=how+long+does+it+take+to+make+a+clock 


Time is what a clock measures.

So, you first have to ...make a clock.

I mean, they didn't have a store like Target then where you can buy
one...


You contruct a clock using...things.


Without things..you cannot measure Time.

So, lets say you want to use a sundial...

don't you need an Earth first? 



-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#598349

Il giorno lunedì 26 dicembre 2022 alle 22:36:37 UTC+1 beda pietanza ha scritto:
> The instantaneous "now" passes by in an absolute synchronization all over the universe!!! 
> cheers 
> beda
one most important feature of a local "now" is that none of the local "nows" can be connected instantly to another if they are in  different places.
second feature the happenings here! now! put its imprinting change on the immediate next now! here! that slips continuously on.
And this happens all over the places. no witness needed.
What makes all these "nows" go on and on is the dissipation of the accumulated energy present in the universe.
The real mystery is where this energy does come from ???
It is all stored in the universal matter, sure,
but from where does all matter come from??
??????????????????????????????????????
cheers
beda

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#598373

beda pietanza wrote:
> 
> Il giorno lunedì 26 dicembre 2022 alle 22:36:37 UTC+1 beda pietanza ha scritto:
> > The instantaneous "now" passes by in an absolute synchronization all over the universe!!!
> > cheers
> > beda
> one most important feature of a local "now" is that none of the local "nows" can be connected instantly to another if they are in  different places.
> second feature the happenings here! now! put its imprinting change on the immediate next now! here! that slips continuously on.
> And this happens all over the places. no witness needed.
> What makes all these "nows" go on and on is the dissipation of the accumulated energy present in the universe.
> The real mystery is where this energy does come from ???
> It is all stored in the universal matter, sure,
> but from where does all matter come from??
> ??????????????????????????????????????
> cheers
> beda


E-m
-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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