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| Started by | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| First post | 2022-12-16 22:29 -0800 |
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What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-16 22:29 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-17 09:31 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-12-17 10:26 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-12-17 10:44 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-17 11:20 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-12-17 22:31 +0100
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-12-17 13:40 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-17 16:02 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-12-17 16:18 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-17 22:18 -0800
Cretin Pat Dolan demonstrates once again that his ibecility extends to basic mathematics "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-12-17 16:57 -0800
Re: Cretin Pat Dolan demonstrates once again that his ibecility extends to basic mathematics patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-17 17:24 -0800
Re: Cretin Pat Dolan demonstrates once again that his ibecility extends to basic mathematics "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-12-17 17:45 -0800
Re: Cretin Pat Dolan demonstrates once again that his ibecility extends to basic mathematics patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-17 17:51 -0800
Re: Cretin Pat Dolan demonstrates once again that his ibecility extends to basic mathematics "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-12-17 17:53 -0800
Re: Cretin Pat Dolan demonstrates once again that his ibecility extends to basic mathematics Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-12-18 09:45 +0100
Re: Cretin Pat Dolan demonstrates once again that his ibecility extends to basic mathematics Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-18 00:49 -0800
Re: Cretin Pat Dolan demonstrates once again that his ibecility extends to basic mathematics patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-17 18:20 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-17 22:11 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-12-18 13:09 +0100
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Vitaliy Bazzoli <zvt@viavzl.oi> - 2022-12-18 18:06 +0000
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-18 12:15 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-19 11:44 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-17 15:51 -0800
Crank Pat Dolan puts foot in mouth "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-12-17 16:53 -0800
Re: Crank Pat Dolan puts foot in mouth Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-12-17 17:21 -0800
Re: Crank Pat Dolan puts foot in mouth "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-12-17 17:23 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-12-18 13:19 +0100
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-18 10:23 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-18 10:29 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-12-18 10:30 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-12-18 19:34 +0100
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-19 11:52 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-12-19 19:58 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-19 23:52 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-12-20 08:53 +0100
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-20 00:37 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-12-20 11:11 +0100
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-20 10:34 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-20 10:43 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-12-20 11:01 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-21 00:09 -0500
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-20 23:32 -0600
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-21 15:22 -0500
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Michelle Africano <nccr@amenica.he> - 2022-12-21 20:27 +0000
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-12-21 21:52 +0100
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2022-12-21 16:52 -0600
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Michelle Africano <nccr@amenica.he> - 2022-12-21 23:00 +0000
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-12-22 14:14 +0100
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-21 14:52 -0600
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2022-12-21 17:03 -0600
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-12-21 15:25 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-12-21 16:51 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-21 19:40 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-21 19:58 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-22 14:38 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-21 21:55 -0600
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-23 02:26 -0500
Crank Dick Hertz fails classical kinemnatics "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-12-23 11:08 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Michelle Africano <nccr@amenica.he> - 2022-12-21 23:25 +0000
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-21 21:53 -0600
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Rico Amato <toaa@araocco.rt> - 2022-12-22 16:04 +0000
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-22 12:41 -0600
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-12-22 11:53 +0100
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Rico Amato <toaa@araocco.rt> - 2022-12-22 15:57 +0000
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-22 23:43 -0500
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Rico Amato <toaa@araocco.rt> - 2022-12-23 18:59 +0000
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-23 16:43 -0600
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-12-22 11:53 +0100
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-12-22 09:44 +0100
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-22 02:15 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-12-21 05:18 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-21 15:38 -0500
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-12-21 11:43 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Michelle Africano <nccr@amenica.he> - 2022-12-21 19:53 +0000
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-12-21 20:14 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-21 20:51 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-01-21 12:04 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-20 14:15 -0600
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-12-19 14:23 +0100
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-12-19 05:54 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-12-20 20:20 +0100
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-20 12:03 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-19 08:46 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-19 09:21 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-19 11:38 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-19 11:52 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-19 23:03 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-12-17 18:40 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-17 22:09 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-17 23:47 -0800
Re: What is the force that the Earth used to keep us on the ground? Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-12-17 23:54 -0800
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| From | Vitaliy Bazzoli <zvt@viavzl.oi> |
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| Date | 2022-12-18 18:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <tnnkrm$12g9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #597799 |
Paul B. Andersen wrote: >> Fucking Einstein's elevator! DOWNWARDS! If acceleration is upwards we >> all would be flying to outer space. >> > You are sitting in a chair in a rocket accelerating at 1g. > You have an accelerometer in your hand. > In which direction does the accelerometer show you are accelerating? > You are sitting in a chair on Earth. > You have an accelerometer in your hand. > In which direction does the accelerometer show you are accelerating? > Down is the direction a coin will fall if you hold it in your hand and > let it go. absolutely, this is exactly my *_Divergent_Mater_of_the_Moving_Objects_* model. Bigger than Einstine. Since he was not man enough moving to the next level.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-18 12:15 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <639F74EF.164@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #597799 |
Paul B. Andersen wrote: > > Den 17.12.2022 22:40, skrev Richard Hertz: > > On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 6:31:14 PM UTC-3, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > >> Your weight is the force your chair is acting on your butt, > >> giving you a proper acceleration upwards. > >> > >> Your bathroom scale measures your weight, not your mass. > >> You can find your mass with a scale and an accelerometer. > >> > >> m = F/g > >> > >> When your bathroom scale shows kilograms, it is because > >> it assumes that you are at the Earth with known g. > >> > >> -- > >> Paul > >> > >> https://paulba.no/ > > > > Fucking Einstein's elevator! DOWNWARDS! If acceleration is upwards we all would be flying to outer space. > > > > You are sitting in a chair in a rocket accelerating at 1g. > You have an accelerometer in your hand. > In which direction does the accelerometer show you are accelerating? > > You are sitting in a chair on Earth. > You have an accelerometer in your hand. > In which direction does the accelerometer show you are accelerating? > > Down is the direction a coin will fall if you hold it in your hand > and let it go. > The coin will fall...but, but, Why will it fall? Certaintly it is not the Earth force that makes the coin fall... i mean, if Lucy pulls the Earth away from Peanuts's coin while it falls...it will continue to fall. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-19 11:44 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <63A0BF36.4559@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #597826 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > Paul B. Andersen wrote: > > > > Den 17.12.2022 22:40, skrev Richard Hertz: > > > On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 6:31:14 PM UTC-3, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > > >> Your weight is the force your chair is acting on your butt, > > >> giving you a proper acceleration upwards. > > >> > > >> Your bathroom scale measures your weight, not your mass. > > >> You can find your mass with a scale and an accelerometer. > > >> > > >> m = F/g > > >> > > >> When your bathroom scale shows kilograms, it is because > > >> it assumes that you are at the Earth with known g. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Paul > > >> > > >> https://paulba.no/ > > > > > > Fucking Einstein's elevator! DOWNWARDS! If acceleration is upwards we all would be flying to outer space. > > > > > > > You are sitting in a chair in a rocket accelerating at 1g. > > You have an accelerometer in your hand. > > In which direction does the accelerometer show you are accelerating? > > > > You are sitting in a chair on Earth. > > You have an accelerometer in your hand. > > In which direction does the accelerometer show you are accelerating? > > > > Down is the direction a coin will fall if you hold it in your hand > > and let it go. > > > > The coin will fall...but, but, Why will it fall? Certaintly it is not > the Earth force that makes the coin fall... > > i mean, if Lucy pulls the Earth away from Peanuts's coin while it > falls...it will continue to fall. and if it continues to fall... -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2022-12-17 15:51 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <c184bd5e-708d-4e20-ae8c-af67186e258dn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #597737 |
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 1:31:14 PM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > Den 17.12.2022 20:20, skrev patdolan: > > There are no GR formulae that describe forces between entities because there are no forces in GR; only the interplay of geodesics about mass, stress, pressure and energy. > > > > Weight, you say? There is no "weight" in GR? There is only the colocation of geodesics. Right Dono? > Your weight is the force your chair is acting on your butt, > giving you a proper acceleration upwards. > > Your bathroom scale measures your weight, not your mass. > You can find your mass with a scale and an accelerometer. > > m = F/g > > When your bathroom scale shows kilograms, it is because > it assumes that you are at the Earth with known g. > > -- > Paul > > https://paulba.no/ All correct Paul. All very correct. But GR doesn't look at the universe that way. GR only tries to explain why there are gravitational actions at a distance and not the bone-on-bone actions of say, my foot on Dono's ass. There are no calculations in GR that represent a scalar quantity called weight that two objects sharing the same geodesic exert on each other. Now that I think of it, weight is to GR what gravity is to SR. Neither SR nor GR is a full explanation of the world.
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| From | "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-17 16:53 -0800 |
| Subject | Crank Pat Dolan puts foot in mouth |
| Message-ID | <de1b0dda-b58f-4f3a-a70a-211ee6fc8d70n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #597757 |
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 3:51:25 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote: > All correct Paul. All very correct. But GR doesn't look at the universe that way. GR only tries to explain why there are gravitational actions at a distance and not the bone-on-bone actions of say, my foot in my mouth Always there
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-17 17:21 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Crank Pat Dolan puts foot in mouth |
| Message-ID | <86f0350d-cd5a-4728-9554-74fc5f7ee588n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #597762 |
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 9:53:55 PM UTC-3, Dono. wrote: > On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 3:51:25 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote: > > > All correct Paul. All very correct. But GR doesn't look at the universe that way. GR only tries to explain why there are gravitational actions at a distance and not the bone-on-bone actions of say, my foot in my mouth > > Always there Actually, Pat said: "his foot deep into your ass".
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| From | "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-17 17:23 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Crank Pat Dolan puts foot in mouth |
| Message-ID | <4844726b-8e4b-4f96-82ec-a05eaa373354n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #597765 |
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 5:21:16 PM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote: > On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 9:53:55 PM UTC-3, Dono. wrote: > > On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 3:51:25 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote: > > > > > All correct Paul. All very correct. But GR doesn't look at the universe that way. GR only tries to explain why there are gravitational actions at a distance and not the bone-on-bone actions of say, my foot in my mouth > > > > Always there > Actually, Pat said: "his nose and my nose deep into your ass". Yup, keep it there, Dick
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| From | "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> |
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| Date | 2022-12-18 13:19 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <tnn0g9$3v5tt$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #597757 |
Den 18.12.2022 00:51, skrev patdolan: > On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 1:31:14 PM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote: >> Den 17.12.2022 20:20, skrev patdolan: >>> There are no GR formulae that describe forces between entities because there are no forces in GR; only the interplay of geodesics about mass, stress, pressure and energy. >>> >>> Weight, you say? There is no "weight" in GR? There is only the colocation of geodesics. Right Dono? >> Your weight is the force your chair is acting on your butt, >> giving you a proper acceleration upwards. >> >> Your bathroom scale measures your weight, not your mass. >> You can find your mass with a scale and an accelerometer. >> >> m = F/g >> >> When your bathroom scale shows kilograms, it is because >> it assumes that you are at the Earth with known g. >> >> -- >> Paul >> >> https://paulba.no/ > All correct Paul. All very correct. Of course this is correct according to GR. So you know you were wrong when you said: " there are no forces in GR" and "There is no "weight" in GR" -- Paul https://paulba.no/
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| From | patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2022-12-18 10:23 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <621195cd-ea3a-4d07-85a0-786cd2e5fccbn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #597800 |
On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:19:24 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > Den 18.12.2022 00:51, skrev patdolan: > > On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 1:31:14 PM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > >> Den 17.12.2022 20:20, skrev patdolan: > >>> There are no GR formulae that describe forces between entities because there are no forces in GR; only the interplay of geodesics about mass, stress, pressure and energy. > >>> > >>> Weight, you say? There is no "weight" in GR? There is only the colocation of geodesics. Right Dono? > > >> Your weight is the force your chair is acting on your butt, > >> giving you a proper acceleration upwards. > >> > >> Your bathroom scale measures your weight, not your mass. > >> You can find your mass with a scale and an accelerometer. > >> > >> m = F/g > >> > >> When your bathroom scale shows kilograms, it is because > >> it assumes that you are at the Earth with known g. > >> > >> -- > >> Paul > >> > >> https://paulba.no/ > > > All correct Paul. All very correct. > Of course this is correct according to GR. > So you know you were wrong when you said: > " there are no forces in GR" > and > "There is no "weight" in GR" > -- > Paul > > https://paulba.no/ I am not the one saying it. Young Veritasium, who is mentored by the finest physicists living today, has plainly stated that gravity is a pseudo-force. We are [ his words ] exactly like the dude in the accelerating spaceship. Because we are not really at rest when we are stationary on the surface of the earth. We are being accelerated away from the surface at a value of 9.8 m/s/s. This value comes from the product of the curvature of spacetime term [ that Christoffel thing-a-ma-jig ] and our velocity [sic] through time. At least I now have an answer to my question "how does GR account for the normal force of a brick on a tabletop?" Weight-force is the product of spacetime curvature and the velocity through time. Let me grant you that spacetime curvature exists. Now we have to start delving into what "velocity through time" could possibly mean. The GR excrement just keeps getting deeper and deeper.
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| From | patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2022-12-18 10:29 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <975c33fa-9857-45f6-a9c5-7ace89cf5f1fn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #597805 |
On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 10:23:32 AM UTC-8, patdolan wrote: > On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:19:24 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > > Den 18.12.2022 00:51, skrev patdolan: > > > On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 1:31:14 PM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > > >> Den 17.12.2022 20:20, skrev patdolan: > > >>> There are no GR formulae that describe forces between entities because there are no forces in GR; only the interplay of geodesics about mass, stress, pressure and energy. > > >>> > > >>> Weight, you say? There is no "weight" in GR? There is only the colocation of geodesics. Right Dono? > > > > >> Your weight is the force your chair is acting on your butt, > > >> giving you a proper acceleration upwards. > > >> > > >> Your bathroom scale measures your weight, not your mass. > > >> You can find your mass with a scale and an accelerometer. > > >> > > >> m = F/g > > >> > > >> When your bathroom scale shows kilograms, it is because > > >> it assumes that you are at the Earth with known g. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Paul > > >> > > >> https://paulba.no/ > > > > > All correct Paul. All very correct. > > Of course this is correct according to GR. > > So you know you were wrong when you said: > > " there are no forces in GR" > > and > > "There is no "weight" in GR" > > -- > > Paul > > > > https://paulba.no/ > I am not the one saying it. Young Veritasium, who is mentored by the finest physicists living today, has plainly stated that gravity is a pseudo-force. We are [ his words ] exactly like the dude in the accelerating spaceship. Because we are not really at rest when we are stationary on the surface of the earth. We are being accelerated away from the surface at a value of 9.8 m/s/s. This value comes from the product of the curvature of spacetime term [ that Christoffel thing-a-ma-jig ] and our velocity [sic] through time. > > At least I now have an answer to my question "how does GR account for the normal force of a brick on a tabletop?" Weight-force is the product of spacetime curvature and the velocity through time. Let me grant you that spacetime curvature exists. Now we have to start delving into what "velocity through time" could possibly mean. The GR excrement just keeps getting deeper and deeper. Left out one term. Let me be more precise as a starting point for moving forward: Weight at the surface of the earth = (mass) x (spacetime curvature) x (velocity through time) This is the definition of bone-on-bone force in GR. Agreed?
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| From | "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-18 10:30 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <0c2560b4-5463-4e74-8c39-22f3da1d23a6n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #597805 |
On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 10:23:32 AM UTC-8, patdolan wrote: >The Pat Dolan piece of excrement just keeps getting deeper and deeper. Yup
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| From | Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> |
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| Date | 2022-12-18 19:34 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <k094pbFl05gU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #597805 |
On 2022-12-18 18:23:30 +0000, patdolan said: > > [ … ] > I am not the one saying it. Young Veritasium, who is mentored by the > finest physicists living today, What qualifications do you have to assess who are the finest physicists living today? > has plainly stated that gravity is a pseudo-force. We are [ his words > ] exactly like the dude in the accelerating spaceship. Because we are > not really at rest when we are stationary on the surface of the earth. > We are being accelerated away from the surface at a value of 9.8 m/s/s. > This value comes from the product of the curvature of spacetime term [ > that Christoffel thing-a-ma-jig ] and our velocity [sic] through time. > > At least I now have an answer to my question "how does GR account for > the normal force of a brick on a tabletop?" Weight-force is the > product of spacetime curvature and the velocity through time. Let me > grant you that spacetime curvature exists. Now we have to start > delving into what "velocity through time" could possibly mean. The GR > excrement just keeps getting deeper and deeper. -- Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36+ years; mainly in England until 1987.
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| From | patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2022-12-19 11:52 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ab9561f5-47f3-4c4d-8a01-ac6b12c98fd8n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #597808 |
On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 10:34:23 AM UTC-8, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: > On 2022-12-18 18:23:30 +0000, patdolan said: > > > > > [ … ] > > I am not the one saying it. Young Veritasium, who is mentored by the > > finest physicists living today, > What qualifications do you have to assess who are the finest physicists > living today? My reputation as the discoverer of the Lorentz contraction velocity formula, my discovery of the asymmetry between proper and coordinate relative velocity, my demonstration of the recursive and therefore vanishing nature of the spacetime interval, my demonstration of the inconsistency of imaginary arithmetic, and most importantly, my eponymous dilemma. > > has plainly stated that gravity is a pseudo-force. We are [ his words > > ] exactly like the dude in the accelerating spaceship. Because we are > > not really at rest when we are stationary on the surface of the earth. > > We are being accelerated away from the surface at a value of 9.8 m/s/s. > > This value comes from the product of the curvature of spacetime term [ > > that Christoffel thing-a-ma-jig ] and our velocity [sic] through time. > > > > At least I now have an answer to my question "how does GR account for > > the normal force of a brick on a tabletop?" Weight-force is the > > product of spacetime curvature and the velocity through time. Let me > > grant you that spacetime curvature exists. Now we have to start > > delving into what "velocity through time" could possibly mean. The GR > > excrement just keeps getting deeper and deeper. > -- > Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36+ years; mainly > in England until 1987.
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| From | Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-19 19:58 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <07f8f683-afbf-407f-91fb-83c6ba5d2eefn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #597875 |
On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 11:52:49 AM UTC-8, patdolan wrote: > My reputation as the discoverer of the Lorentz contraction velocity formula, my discovery of the asymmetry between proper and coordinate relative velocity, my demonstration of the recursive and therefore vanishing nature of the spacetime interval, my demonstration of the inconsistency of imaginary arithmetic, and most importantly, my eponymous dilemma.... Logic will get you from A to Z, imagination will get you everywhere. ~ Albert Einstein
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| From | Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-19 23:52 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <1b204092-8ba3-4691-a966-49ad95fed011n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #597895 |
On Tuesday, 20 December 2022 at 04:58:10 UTC+1, Paul Alsing wrote: > On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 11:52:49 AM UTC-8, patdolan wrote: > > > My reputation as the discoverer of the Lorentz contraction velocity formula, my discovery of the asymmetry between proper and coordinate relative velocity, my demonstration of the recursive and therefore vanishing nature of the spacetime interval, my demonstration of the inconsistency of imaginary arithmetic, and most importantly, my eponymous dilemma.... > > Logic will get you from A to Z, imagination will get you everywhere. > ~ Albert Einstein Imagination can even fabricate time dilation, black holes amd the rest of his idiocies.
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| From | Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> |
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| Date | 2022-12-20 08:53 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <k0d7v6F9jeeU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #597875 |
On 2022-12-19 19:52:47 +0000, patdolan said: > On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 10:34:23 AM UTC-8, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: >> On 2022-12-18 18:23:30 +0000, patdolan said:>> >> > [ … ] >>> I am not the one saying it. Young Veritasium, who is mentored by the> > >>> finest physicists living today, >> What qualifications do you have to assess who are the finest >> physicists> living today? > > My reputation as the discoverer of the Lorentz contraction velocity > formula, my discovery of the asymmetry between proper and coordinate > relative velocity, my demonstration of the recursive and therefore > vanishing nature of the spacetime interval, my demonstration of the > inconsistency of imaginary arithmetic, and most importantly, my > eponymous dilemma. Do we suppose that you're one of the "finest physicists" who advises Veritasium? If not, who are the ones who are finer than you? -- Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36+ years; mainly in England until 1987.
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| From | patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2022-12-20 00:37 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <8e4245c5-be6d-42b4-ba92-fcacbf538fcen@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #597909 |
On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 11:53:13 PM UTC-8, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: > On 2022-12-19 19:52:47 +0000, patdolan said: > > > On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 10:34:23 AM UTC-8, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: > >> On 2022-12-18 18:23:30 +0000, patdolan said:>> >> > [ … ] > >>> I am not the one saying it. Young Veritasium, who is mentored by the> > > >>> finest physicists living today, > >> What qualifications do you have to assess who are the finest > >> physicists> living today? > > > > My reputation as the discoverer of the Lorentz contraction velocity > > formula, my discovery of the asymmetry between proper and coordinate > > relative velocity, my demonstration of the recursive and therefore > > vanishing nature of the spacetime interval, my demonstration of the > > inconsistency of imaginary arithmetic, and most importantly, my > > eponymous dilemma. > Do we suppose that you're one of the "finest physicists" who advises > Veritasium? If not, who are the ones who are finer than you? > -- > Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36+ years; mainly > in England until 1987. Athel Cornish Mainly in England, The phinest physicists of our time are some of the phinest phools in the world. But only we normies appreciate this fact. Now as regards YV and his advisors, do you have a disagreement with them concerning the YV version of the GR force equation? If so, please explain. Let me refresh your memory concerning that equation: The normal force upon the bottom face of a brick produced by the tabletop upon which it is resting is equal to (mass) x (spacetime curvature) x (velocity through time)
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| From | Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> |
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| Date | 2022-12-20 11:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <k0dg36FapuvU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #597910 |
On 2022-12-20 08:37:25 +0000, patdolan said: > > [ … ] > The phinest physicists of our time are some of the phinest phools in > the world. But only we normies appreciate this fact. > Now as regards YV and his advisors, do you have a disagreement with > them concerning the YV version of the GR force equation? If so, > please explain. Let me refresh your memory concerning that equation: > > The normal force upon the bottom face of a brick produced by the > tabletop upon which it is resting is equal to (mass) x (spacetime > curvature) x (velocity through time) Descending into complete gibberish, I see. Oh well. -- Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36+ years; mainly in England until 1987.
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| From | patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2022-12-20 10:34 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <8bc7b75c-291d-45d0-8fa9-70de3f427ad6n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #597912 |
On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 2:11:54 AM UTC-8, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: > On 2022-12-20 08:37:25 +0000, patdolan said: > > > > > [ … ] > > The phinest physicists of our time are some of the phinest phools in > > the world. But only we normies appreciate this fact. > > Now as regards YV and his advisors, do you have a disagreement with > > them concerning the YV version of the GR force equation? If so, > > please explain. Let me refresh your memory concerning that equation: > > > > The normal force upon the bottom face of a brick produced by the > > tabletop upon which it is resting is equal to (mass) x (spacetime > > curvature) x (velocity through time) > Descending into complete gibberish, I see. Oh well. Please go to the time stamped link I provided and watch YV and his felt tip pen teach the equation from GR that demonstrates why one needs to accelerate just to stand still on the surface of the earth. If this is gibberish to you, as it is to me, know that it is coming from your side. Not mine. If you choose to disavow YV and his stable of GR mentors, then do so, right here in this forum. It is time to stop asking questions and state your position clearly. I am not entrapable by questions because I am critiquing and not professing. Strange you have not already learned this subtle point of argumentation. Thou shouldst not have been old before thou hadst been wise, Athel Cornish Mainly in England. > -- > Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36+ years; mainly > in England until 1987.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-20 10:43 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <63A20261.2821@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #597929 |
patdolan wrote: > > On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 2:11:54 AM UTC-8, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: > > On 2022-12-20 08:37:25 +0000, patdolan said: > > > > > > > > [ … ] > > > The phinest physicists of our time are some of the phinest phools in > > > the world. But only we normies appreciate this fact. > > > Now as regards YV and his advisors, do you have a disagreement with > > > them concerning the YV version of the GR force equation? If so, > > > please explain. Let me refresh your memory concerning that equation: > > > > > > The normal force upon the bottom face of a brick produced by the > > > tabletop upon which it is resting is equal to (mass) x (spacetime > > > curvature) x (velocity through time) > > Descending into complete gibberish, I see. Oh well. > > Please go to the time stamped link I provided and watch YV and his felt tip pen teach the equation from GR that demonstrates why one needs to accelerate just to stand still on the surface of the earth. If this is gibberish to you, as it is to me, know that it is coming from your side. Not mine. If you choose to disavow YV and his stable of GR mentors, then do so, right here in this forum. It is time to stop asking questions and state your position clearly. > > I am not entrapable by questions because I am critiquing and not professing. Strange you have not already learned this subtle point of argumentation. Thou shouldst not have been old before thou hadst been wise, Athel Cornish Mainly in England. > > -- > > Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36+ years; mainly > > in England until 1987. You need to understand the textbook defintion of the word..."accelerate". Coming to a stop is...accelerating. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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