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| Started by | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| First post | 2022-10-04 00:43 -0700 |
| Last post | 2022-10-26 08:27 +0200 |
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The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-04 00:43 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-04 06:42 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe lostgold <matthew.mitton@baxter-academy.org> - 2022-10-04 09:23 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-04 22:45 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe lostgold <matthew.mitton@baxter-academy.org> - 2022-10-05 05:23 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-05 20:33 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-05 22:45 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-07 09:55 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-10-07 19:00 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-07 21:34 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-10-07 19:56 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 12:17 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Michel Marconi <iinc@lcrallem.or> - 2022-10-08 19:21 +0000
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 12:25 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Michel Marconi <iinc@lcrallem.or> - 2022-10-08 19:31 +0000
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-10-08 12:42 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 17:31 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-25 07:18 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Urbano Stilo <nuor@riotlaur.iu> - 2022-10-08 03:51 +0000
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-23 09:06 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Oscar Alcheri <ohci@iessicsr.rn> - 2022-10-23 07:25 +0000
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Oscar Alcheri <ohci@iessicsr.rn> - 2022-10-23 18:29 +0000
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Oscar Alcheri <ohci@iessicsr.rn> - 2022-10-23 19:54 +0000
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-07 14:55 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe lostgold <matthew.mitton@baxter-academy.org> - 2022-10-04 09:22 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-10-04 10:11 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-04 11:07 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-10 09:53 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-10 17:51 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-11 07:50 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-11 12:55 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Mandy Stabile <alts@ilnnnbsl.ed> - 2022-10-11 20:17 +0000
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-11 13:40 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-12 08:07 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 12:17 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-14 08:33 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-14 09:57 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-15 09:17 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-15 11:50 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-16 09:22 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-16 11:39 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-17 08:06 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-17 14:17 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-18 08:44 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-18 12:14 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-20 20:53 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-20 12:28 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-21 08:52 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-21 21:42 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-22 10:32 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-22 08:43 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-22 10:55 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-22 11:39 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Oscar Alcheri <ohci@iessicsr.rn> - 2022-10-22 18:58 +0000
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-23 08:58 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-23 12:25 -0700
Sick Einstein Obsession (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-23 14:55 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-25 07:27 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-25 10:42 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-27 09:05 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-27 00:31 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-27 11:10 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-10-27 18:58 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-27 21:37 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-28 04:39 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-28 10:02 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-10-28 19:21 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-28 12:08 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-28 12:42 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-10-28 13:14 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-28 16:06 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-28 16:04 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-28 16:36 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-10-28 18:34 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-28 21:00 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-10-28 22:03 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-29 00:40 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-30 12:57 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-30 16:02 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-30 17:13 -0700
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-30 20:07 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-29 11:20 -0700
Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-29 14:22 -0500
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-30 07:53 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-30 16:15 -0400
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-31 09:18 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-10-31 00:51 -0700
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-31 14:36 -0400
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Buddie Fiore <inbe@iieuedi.du> - 2022-10-31 19:28 +0000
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-01 07:27 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-11-01 09:00 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Reiner Abbatelli <enre@lbeiet.re> - 2022-11-01 15:53 +0000
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-01 22:51 -0400
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-02 08:40 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-11-02 00:48 -0700
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-11-02 09:10 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-03 01:11 -0400
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-03 10:37 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-11-03 10:50 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-03 18:26 -0400
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-04 08:10 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-05 09:07 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-11-01 09:05 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-02 08:44 +0100
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-29 23:20 -0700
Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-30 07:50 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-29 00:28 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-28 16:03 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-29 00:10 -0400
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-29 00:36 -0500
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-28 08:40 +0200
Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-26 08:27 +0200
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-16 11:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <634C4FC8.854@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #593546 |
Thomas Heger wrote: > > Am 15.10.2022 um 20:50 schrieb The Starmaker: > > On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 09:17:26 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> > > wrote: > > > >> Am 14.10.2022 um 18:57 schrieb The Starmaker: > >> > >>>> What we call 'universe' is actually, what we see in the night sky. > >>>> > >>>> But because 'to see' requires light and that time to travel, we do not > >>>> see the universe as it is, but receive a certain picture from our past. > >>>> > >>>> This picture is 'stacked in time', because further away is also longer ago. > >>>> > >>>> Now the 'real universe' might eventually be timeless, but our visions of > >>>> it are not. > >>>> > >>>> It is actually a little tricky to remove the influence of time in the > >>>> pictures we receive from the past and it is in most cases also impossible. > >>>> > >>>> But we could assume a universe out there, that we cannot see, but which > >>>> could eventually have such properties as a universal time. > >>>> > >>>> TH > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Isn't this where you need to start passing around the collection plate? > >>> > >> > >> Well, possibly... > >> > >> But usually - as a hobbyist- I expect nothing. > >> > >> > >> TH > > > > > > A 'hobby'???? I didn't know religion was considered a hobby. This > > religion of yours known as 'cosmic religion' ...or should i call it > > cosmic hobby, you worship the stars. > > > > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth'. > > > > No matter what name you have for God, Jesus, the old One, > > 'Nothingness'...a universe from Nothing/God, ...it's still > > a religion. > > > > I'll tell you what, you preach the stars, and I'll pass around the > > collection plate. > > > > i take bitcoins. > > > > > > > > Science is just a religion. > > Not really. > > I regard physics as a hobby, but not as a religion. > > Religion is based on believe, while science is based on not believing > anything. > > It is actually essential, to question everything, even what seems to be > most obvious. > > If you would not do that, or worse forbade scrutiny, you end up with a > scientific mess. > > In science we also have cooperation around the globe, between believers > of different religions and of different nations. > > This turns science into something international and belonging to all > believe systems in existence. > > > Do you believe in flying saucers? It's okay if you do, it's part of > > the religion. > > Well, yes, I think, the theory, that the Nazis have built 'Haunebu IV' > flying saucers is actually true. > > The Nazis have flown them to 'New Swabia' in the Antarctic and faught a > battle with the US-Navi there, which they had won. > > (but that is just a guess) > > TH https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+flying+saucers fly·ing sau·cer noun a disk-shaped flying craft supposedly piloted by aliens; a UFO. I'm talking about aliens from outer space, not from Mexico. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2022-10-17 08:06 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <jr49n1Fta34U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #593562 |
Am 16.10.2022 um 20:39 schrieb The Starmaker: > Thomas Heger wrote: >> >> Am 15.10.2022 um 20:50 schrieb The Starmaker: >>> On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 09:17:26 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Am 14.10.2022 um 18:57 schrieb The Starmaker: >>>> >>>>>> What we call 'universe' is actually, what we see in the night sky. >>>>>> >>>>>> But because 'to see' requires light and that time to travel, we do not >>>>>> see the universe as it is, but receive a certain picture from our past. >>>>>> >>>>>> This picture is 'stacked in time', because further away is also longer ago. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now the 'real universe' might eventually be timeless, but our visions of >>>>>> it are not. >>>>>> >>>>>> It is actually a little tricky to remove the influence of time in the >>>>>> pictures we receive from the past and it is in most cases also impossible. >>>>>> >>>>>> But we could assume a universe out there, that we cannot see, but which >>>>>> could eventually have such properties as a universal time. >>>>>> >>>>>> TH >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Isn't this where you need to start passing around the collection plate? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Well, possibly... >>>> >>>> But usually - as a hobbyist- I expect nothing. >>>> >>>> >>>> TH >>> >>> >>> A 'hobby'???? I didn't know religion was considered a hobby. This >>> religion of yours known as 'cosmic religion' ...or should i call it >>> cosmic hobby, you worship the stars. >>> >>> 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth'. >>> >>> No matter what name you have for God, Jesus, the old One, >>> 'Nothingness'...a universe from Nothing/God, ...it's still >>> a religion. >>> >>> I'll tell you what, you preach the stars, and I'll pass around the >>> collection plate. >>> >>> i take bitcoins. >>> >>> >>> >>> Science is just a religion. >> >> Not really. >> >> I regard physics as a hobby, but not as a religion. >> >> Religion is based on believe, while science is based on not believing >> anything. >> >> It is actually essential, to question everything, even what seems to be >> most obvious. >> >> If you would not do that, or worse forbade scrutiny, you end up with a >> scientific mess. >> >> In science we also have cooperation around the globe, between believers >> of different religions and of different nations. >> >> This turns science into something international and belonging to all >> believe systems in existence. >> >>> Do you believe in flying saucers? It's okay if you do, it's part of >>> the religion. >> >> Well, yes, I think, the theory, that the Nazis have built 'Haunebu IV' >> flying saucers is actually true. >> >> The Nazis have flown them to 'New Swabia' in the Antarctic and faught a >> battle with the US-Navi there, which they had won. >> >> (but that is just a guess) >> >> TH > > > https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+flying+saucers > > fly·ing sau·cer > > noun > a disk-shaped flying craft supposedly piloted by aliens; a UFO. > > > I'm talking about aliens from outer space, not from Mexico. > > No. You were talking about 'flying saucers'. Such disk shaped spacecrafts were allegedly invented in Nazi Germany under the name 'Haunebu' (some Wiking word). These spacecraft designers were shipped to the USA after the war in 'project paperclip' and have build flying saucers there. This story does not necessarily require aliens from outer space. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb7OiKUPn3k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9chz8COYVc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aga-fA6iUm4 TH
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-17 14:17 -0700 |
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Thomas Heger wrote: > > Am 16.10.2022 um 20:39 schrieb The Starmaker: > > Thomas Heger wrote: > >> > >> Am 15.10.2022 um 20:50 schrieb The Starmaker: > >>> On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 09:17:26 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Am 14.10.2022 um 18:57 schrieb The Starmaker: > >>>> > >>>>>> What we call 'universe' is actually, what we see in the night sky. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> But because 'to see' requires light and that time to travel, we do not > >>>>>> see the universe as it is, but receive a certain picture from our past. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This picture is 'stacked in time', because further away is also longer ago. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Now the 'real universe' might eventually be timeless, but our visions of > >>>>>> it are not. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It is actually a little tricky to remove the influence of time in the > >>>>>> pictures we receive from the past and it is in most cases also impossible. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> But we could assume a universe out there, that we cannot see, but which > >>>>>> could eventually have such properties as a universal time. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> TH > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Isn't this where you need to start passing around the collection plate? > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Well, possibly... > >>>> > >>>> But usually - as a hobbyist- I expect nothing. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> TH > >>> > >>> > >>> A 'hobby'???? I didn't know religion was considered a hobby. This > >>> religion of yours known as 'cosmic religion' ...or should i call it > >>> cosmic hobby, you worship the stars. > >>> > >>> 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth'. > >>> > >>> No matter what name you have for God, Jesus, the old One, > >>> 'Nothingness'...a universe from Nothing/God, ...it's still > >>> a religion. > >>> > >>> I'll tell you what, you preach the stars, and I'll pass around the > >>> collection plate. > >>> > >>> i take bitcoins. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Science is just a religion. > >> > >> Not really. > >> > >> I regard physics as a hobby, but not as a religion. > >> > >> Religion is based on believe, while science is based on not believing > >> anything. > >> > >> It is actually essential, to question everything, even what seems to be > >> most obvious. > >> > >> If you would not do that, or worse forbade scrutiny, you end up with a > >> scientific mess. > >> > >> In science we also have cooperation around the globe, between believers > >> of different religions and of different nations. > >> > >> This turns science into something international and belonging to all > >> believe systems in existence. > >> > >>> Do you believe in flying saucers? It's okay if you do, it's part of > >>> the religion. > >> > >> Well, yes, I think, the theory, that the Nazis have built 'Haunebu IV' > >> flying saucers is actually true. > >> > >> The Nazis have flown them to 'New Swabia' in the Antarctic and faught a > >> battle with the US-Navi there, which they had won. > >> > >> (but that is just a guess) > >> > >> TH > > > > > > https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+flying+saucers > > > > fly·ing sau·cer > > > > noun > > a disk-shaped flying craft supposedly piloted by aliens; a UFO. > > > > > > I'm talking about aliens from outer space, not from Mexico. > > > > > No. You were talking about 'flying saucers'. Yes, I was taling about 'flying saucers'... The definition is right there: fly·ing sau·cer noun a disk-shaped flying craft supposedly piloted by aliens; a UFO. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+flying+saucers YOUR defintion doesn't agree with Nature. Or earthlings. aliens; a UFO. Your definition is a Idenfied FO not an Undefinited FO Also, aliens that fly 'flying saucers' are from outerspace, not Afganastan! > > Such disk shaped spacecrafts were allegedly invented in Nazi Germany > under the name 'Haunebu' (some Wiking word). > > These spacecraft designers were shipped to the USA after the war in > 'project paperclip' and have build flying saucers there. > > This story does not necessarily require aliens from outer space. The definition of 'flying saucers' require aliens from outer space, not toys made by Disney. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb7OiKUPn3k > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9chz8COYVc > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aga-fA6iUm4 > > TH -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2022-10-18 08:44 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <jr70aiFbkjbU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #593626 |
Am 17.10.2022 um 23:17 schrieb The Starmaker: > > >> >> Such disk shaped spacecrafts were allegedly invented in Nazi Germany >> under the name 'Haunebu' (some Wiking word). >> >> These spacecraft designers were shipped to the USA after the war in >> 'project paperclip' and have build flying saucers there. >> >> This story does not necessarily require aliens from outer space. > > The definition of 'flying saucers' require aliens from outer space, not toys made by Disney. > I live in Germany I do not regard my countrymen as aliens. Possibly the Nazis had contact to extraterrestrial entities, but most likely they kept that secret. Actually build were these crafts by the Nazis. The Nazi-engineers were shipped to the USA in large quantities in project paperclip. The most famous was Wernher von Braun, who was the head of the Apollo programm. I personally think, the NASA went to the Moon with these 'flying saucers' and the tv-show depicting the Moon landing was just a fake to hide the involvement of the Nazi engineers in the building of these disk-shaped crafts. These crafts had another feature, which the Americans didn't want to get public attention: its power source would be called 'free-energy-device' today (a so called 'Hans Kohler generator'). So they created kind of soap opera in a desert on Earth, while the real deal was a spacecraft, which looked very different. TH
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| From | "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-18 12:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <e872d1a2-8cf9-43a5-9c77-8bbe0c5cd413n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #593651 |
On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 11:44:39 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote: > Am 17.10.2022 um 23:17 schrieb The Starmaker: > > > > > > >> > >> Such disk shaped spacecrafts were allegedly invented in Nazi Germany > >> under the name 'Haunebu' (some Wiking word). > >> > >> These spacecraft designers were shipped to the USA after the war in > >> 'project paperclip' and have build flying saucers there. > >> > >> This story does not necessarily require aliens from outer space. > > > > The definition of 'flying saucers' require aliens from outer space, not toys made by Disney. > > > I live in Germany I do not regard my countrymen as aliens. > > Possibly the Nazis had contact to extraterrestrial entities, but most > likely they kept that secret. > > Actually build were these crafts by the Nazis. > > The Nazi-engineers were shipped to the USA in large quantities in > project paperclip. > > The most famous was Wernher von Braun, who was the head of the Apollo > programm. > > I personally think, the NASA went to the Moon with these 'flying > saucers' and the tv-show depicting the Moon landing was just a fake to > hide the involvement of the Nazi engineers in the building of these > disk-shaped crafts. > > These crafts had another feature, which the Americans didn't want to get > public attention: its power source would be called 'free-energy-device' > today (a so called 'Hans Kohler generator'). > > So they created kind of soap opera in a desert on Earth, while the real > deal was a spacecraft, which looked very different. > > > > TH NASA doctored their footage of aliens flying around... Like the Moon Hoax was...
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2022-10-20 20:53 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <jrdjovFcel4U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #593679 |
Am 18.10.2022 um 21:14 schrieb mitchr...@gmail.com: > On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 11:44:39 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote: >> Am 17.10.2022 um 23:17 schrieb The Starmaker: >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Such disk shaped spacecrafts were allegedly invented in Nazi Germany >>>> under the name 'Haunebu' (some Wiking word). >>>> >>>> These spacecraft designers were shipped to the USA after the war in >>>> 'project paperclip' and have build flying saucers there. >>>> >>>> This story does not necessarily require aliens from outer space. >>> >>> The definition of 'flying saucers' require aliens from outer space, not toys made by Disney. >>> >> I live in Germany I do not regard my countrymen as aliens. >> >> Possibly the Nazis had contact to extraterrestrial entities, but most >> likely they kept that secret. >> >> Actually build were these crafts by the Nazis. >> >> The Nazi-engineers were shipped to the USA in large quantities in >> project paperclip. >> >> The most famous was Wernher von Braun, who was the head of the Apollo >> programm. >> >> I personally think, the NASA went to the Moon with these 'flying >> saucers' and the tv-show depicting the Moon landing was just a fake to >> hide the involvement of the Nazi engineers in the building of these >> disk-shaped crafts. >> >> These crafts had another feature, which the Americans didn't want to get >> public attention: its power source would be called 'free-energy-device' >> today (a so called 'Hans Kohler generator'). >> >> So they created kind of soap opera in a desert on Earth, while the real >> deal was a spacecraft, which looked very different. >> >> >> >> TH > > NASA doctored their footage of aliens flying around... > Like the Moon Hoax was... > The space-craft called 'Eagle' looked like build from scrap and plywood. (I don't think, this craft could even fly.) The 'Moon' looked a little too much like a desert on Earth (filmed with IR film) and the 'astronauts' looked as if they had stolen chewing gum just recently. The best prop was actually a camping car, which was shipped around a Navi carrier and allegedly served as quarrantine station, while the US president stood outside. The capsule, too, looked like bought in a thrift shop, where the wall paper pealed off, as this thing was exposed to salt water. They were 'rescued' by navi men in a rubber boat carrying the inscription 'just married'. So, I have some doubts... TH
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-20 12:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6351A14B.2886@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #593822 |
Thomas Heger wrote: > > Am 18.10.2022 um 21:14 schrieb mitchr...@gmail.com: > > On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 11:44:39 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote: > >> Am 17.10.2022 um 23:17 schrieb The Starmaker: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Such disk shaped spacecrafts were allegedly invented in Nazi Germany > >>>> under the name 'Haunebu' (some Wiking word). > >>>> > >>>> These spacecraft designers were shipped to the USA after the war in > >>>> 'project paperclip' and have build flying saucers there. > >>>> > >>>> This story does not necessarily require aliens from outer space. > >>> > >>> The definition of 'flying saucers' require aliens from outer space, not toys made by Disney. > >>> > >> I live in Germany I do not regard my countrymen as aliens. > >> > >> Possibly the Nazis had contact to extraterrestrial entities, but most > >> likely they kept that secret. > >> > >> Actually build were these crafts by the Nazis. > >> > >> The Nazi-engineers were shipped to the USA in large quantities in > >> project paperclip. > >> > >> The most famous was Wernher von Braun, who was the head of the Apollo > >> programm. > >> > >> I personally think, the NASA went to the Moon with these 'flying > >> saucers' and the tv-show depicting the Moon landing was just a fake to > >> hide the involvement of the Nazi engineers in the building of these > >> disk-shaped crafts. > >> > >> These crafts had another feature, which the Americans didn't want to get > >> public attention: its power source would be called 'free-energy-device' > >> today (a so called 'Hans Kohler generator'). > >> > >> So they created kind of soap opera in a desert on Earth, while the real > >> deal was a spacecraft, which looked very different. > >> > >> > >> > >> TH > > > > NASA doctored their footage of aliens flying around... > > Like the Moon Hoax was... > > > > The space-craft called 'Eagle' looked like build from scrap and plywood. > > (I don't think, this craft could even fly.) > > The 'Moon' looked a little too much like a desert on Earth (filmed with > IR film) and the 'astronauts' looked as if they had stolen chewing gum > just recently. > > The best prop was actually a camping car, which was shipped around a > Navi carrier and allegedly served as quarrantine station, while the US > president stood outside. > > The capsule, too, looked like bought in a thrift shop, where the wall > paper pealed off, as this thing was exposed to salt water. > > They were 'rescued' by navi men in a rubber boat carrying the > inscription 'just married'. > > So, I have some doubts... > > TH is dis like some kind of joke? -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2022-10-21 08:52 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <jretsjFih1fU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #593829 |
Am 20.10.2022 um 21:28 schrieb The Starmaker: > Thomas Heger wrote: >> >> Am 18.10.2022 um 21:14 schrieb mitchr...@gmail.com: >>> On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 11:44:39 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote: >>>> Am 17.10.2022 um 23:17 schrieb The Starmaker: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Such disk shaped spacecrafts were allegedly invented in Nazi Germany >>>>>> under the name 'Haunebu' (some Wiking word). >>>>>> >>>>>> These spacecraft designers were shipped to the USA after the war in >>>>>> 'project paperclip' and have build flying saucers there. >>>>>> >>>>>> This story does not necessarily require aliens from outer space. >>>>> >>>>> The definition of 'flying saucers' require aliens from outer space, not toys made by Disney. >>>>> >>>> I live in Germany I do not regard my countrymen as aliens. >>>> >>>> Possibly the Nazis had contact to extraterrestrial entities, but most >>>> likely they kept that secret. >>>> >>>> Actually build were these crafts by the Nazis. >>>> >>>> The Nazi-engineers were shipped to the USA in large quantities in >>>> project paperclip. >>>> >>>> The most famous was Wernher von Braun, who was the head of the Apollo >>>> programm. >>>> >>>> I personally think, the NASA went to the Moon with these 'flying >>>> saucers' and the tv-show depicting the Moon landing was just a fake to >>>> hide the involvement of the Nazi engineers in the building of these >>>> disk-shaped crafts. >>>> >>>> These crafts had another feature, which the Americans didn't want to get >>>> public attention: its power source would be called 'free-energy-device' >>>> today (a so called 'Hans Kohler generator'). >>>> >>>> So they created kind of soap opera in a desert on Earth, while the real >>>> deal was a spacecraft, which looked very different. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> TH >>> >>> NASA doctored their footage of aliens flying around... >>> Like the Moon Hoax was... >>> >> >> The space-craft called 'Eagle' looked like build from scrap and plywood. see here, for instance https://www.bradford.co.uk/apollo11printbge.html One thing visible is, that the direction of incoming light on Earth and on Moon were different (what shouldn't be). Also visible is the extreme cheapness of the props. >> (I don't think, this craft could even fly.) >> >> The 'Moon' looked a little too much like a desert on Earth (filmed with >> IR film) and the 'astronauts' looked as if they had stolen chewing gum >> just recently. >> >> The best prop was actually a camping car, which was shipped around a >> Navi carrier and allegedly served as quarrantine station, while the US >> president stood outside. https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/thumbnails/image/apollo_11_astronauts_in_mqf_with_nixon_aboard_hornet_jul_24_1969_s69-21365.jpg?itok=ZYbB4v-g Without going into details: that Airstream 'Streamliner' is not safe against leaking of dangerous virusses from extra-teresstrial sources, because it is a mobile home made for camping purposses and not a quarantine station. So, the president is actually as unprotected as anybody else and the entire thing is just a show. The astronauts laughed, together with that president, not about the Moon landing, but about you. >> The capsule, too, looked like bought in a thrift shop, where the wall >> paper pealed off, as this thing was exposed to salt water. >> >> They were 'rescued' by navi men in a rubber boat carrying the >> inscription 'just married'. >> >> So, I have some doubts... >> >> TH > > > is dis like some kind of joke? > Yes, it's all a joke. That's why these astronauts laughed so much. TH
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-21 21:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <635374C9.3D2D@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #593843 |
Thomas Heger wrote: so you're saying no photo was left on the moon? https://www.businessinsider.com/apollo-16-hidden-family-portrait-on-the-moon-2015-10 -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2022-10-22 10:32 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <jrho44F1b31U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #593882 |
Am 22.10.2022 um 06:42 schrieb The Starmaker: > Thomas Heger wrote: > > so you're saying no photo was left on the moon? > > https://www.businessinsider.com/apollo-16-hidden-family-portrait-on-the-moon-2015-10 > > No, that was not what I meant. I wrote, the astronauts went to the Moon with something like an UFO, which was built by the Americans as advanced version of the 'Haunebu'. The footage shown on tv in the 60th was filmed on Earth, because the NASA wanted to hide the technology of these crafts and their very existence. As evidence I wanted to show, that the 'Eagle' looked like build from scrap and plywood in a backyard. Also the Airstream camping car on the carrier 'Hornet' doesn't look convincingly like a quarantine station. This was important, as safe protection against alien virusses was mandatory, because the US president stood right next to it. Another issue was the really small return capsule, that seemling lost parts of a wall-paper like cover. This was rescued allegedly by a Navi rubber raft, where 'just married' was inscribbled with a felt pen. TH
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-22 08:43 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <63540FA5.51EB@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #593888 |
Thomas Heger wrote: > > Am 22.10.2022 um 06:42 schrieb The Starmaker: > > Thomas Heger wrote: > > > > so you're saying no photo was left on the moon? > > > > https://www.businessinsider.com/apollo-16-hidden-family-portrait-on-the-moon-2015-10 > > > > > > No, that was not what I meant. > > I wrote, the astronauts went to the Moon with something like an UFO, > which was built by the Americans as advanced version of the 'Haunebu'. > > The footage shown on tv in the 60th was filmed on Earth, because the > NASA wanted to hide the technology of these crafts and their very existence. > > As evidence I wanted to show, that the 'Eagle' looked like build from > scrap and plywood in a backyard. > > Also the Airstream camping car on the carrier 'Hornet' doesn't look > convincingly like a quarantine station. This was important, as safe > protection against alien virusses was mandatory, because the US > president stood right next to it. > > Another issue was the really small return capsule, that seemling lost > parts of a wall-paper like cover. This was rescued allegedly by a Navi > rubber raft, where 'just married' was inscribbled with a felt pen. > > TH I saw the movie where the german guy build model airplanes...Phoneix something. you talking about toys???? -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-22 10:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <63542E86.47F5@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #593914 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > Thomas Heger wrote: > > > > Am 22.10.2022 um 06:42 schrieb The Starmaker: > > > Thomas Heger wrote: > > > > > > so you're saying no photo was left on the moon? > > > > > > https://www.businessinsider.com/apollo-16-hidden-family-portrait-on-the-moon-2015-10 > > > > > > > > > > No, that was not what I meant. > > > > I wrote, the astronauts went to the Moon with something like an UFO, > > which was built by the Americans as advanced version of the 'Haunebu'. > > > > The footage shown on tv in the 60th was filmed on Earth, because the > > NASA wanted to hide the technology of these crafts and their very existence. > > > > As evidence I wanted to show, that the 'Eagle' looked like build from > > scrap and plywood in a backyard. > > > > Also the Airstream camping car on the carrier 'Hornet' doesn't look > > convincingly like a quarantine station. This was important, as safe > > protection against alien virusses was mandatory, because the US > > president stood right next to it. > > > > Another issue was the really small return capsule, that seemling lost > > parts of a wall-paper like cover. This was rescued allegedly by a Navi > > rubber raft, where 'just married' was inscribbled with a felt pen. > > > > TH > > I saw the movie where the german guy build model airplanes...Phoneix > something. > > you talking about toys???? Of course it was the Germans that first came up with the formula for the atomic bomb that was dropped on Japan ...twice, a German in Germany named Albert Einstein. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-22 11:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <635438D8.21E7@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #593928 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Thomas Heger wrote: > > > > > > Am 22.10.2022 um 06:42 schrieb The Starmaker: > > > > Thomas Heger wrote: > > > > > > > > so you're saying no photo was left on the moon? > > > > > > > > https://www.businessinsider.com/apollo-16-hidden-family-portrait-on-the-moon-2015-10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, that was not what I meant. > > > > > > I wrote, the astronauts went to the Moon with something like an UFO, > > > which was built by the Americans as advanced version of the 'Haunebu'. > > > > > > The footage shown on tv in the 60th was filmed on Earth, because the > > > NASA wanted to hide the technology of these crafts and their very existence. > > > > > > As evidence I wanted to show, that the 'Eagle' looked like build from > > > scrap and plywood in a backyard. > > > > > > Also the Airstream camping car on the carrier 'Hornet' doesn't look > > > convincingly like a quarantine station. This was important, as safe > > > protection against alien virusses was mandatory, because the US > > > president stood right next to it. > > > > > > Another issue was the really small return capsule, that seemling lost > > > parts of a wall-paper like cover. This was rescued allegedly by a Navi > > > rubber raft, where 'just married' was inscribbled with a felt pen. > > > > > > TH > > > > I saw the movie where the german guy build model airplanes...Phoneix > > something. > > > > you talking about toys???? > > Of course it was the Germans that first came up with the formula for the > atomic bomb that was dropped on Japan ...twice, a German in Germany > named Albert Einstein. Do you suppose Albert Einstein design any flying saucers in Germany? He designed their airplanes then... -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | Oscar Alcheri <ohci@iessicsr.rn> |
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| Date | 2022-10-22 18:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <tj1egm$vk38$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #593931 |
The Starmaker wrote: >> Of course it was the Germans that first came up with the formula for >> the atomic bomb that was dropped on Japan ...twice, a German in Germany >> named Albert Einstein. > > Do you suppose Albert Einstein design any flying saucers in Germany? He > designed their airplanes then... he was working underground facility building rockets going to war. Not paid enough, the man being a pacifist, he decided to leave the workplace for america, where the economic situation was easier to procure food. This is of high importance, since the americans those day were unbelievable thin.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2022-10-23 08:58 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <jrk6vkFcrciU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #593928 |
Am 22.10.2022 um 19:55 schrieb The Starmaker: > The Starmaker wrote: >> >> Thomas Heger wrote: >>> >>> Am 22.10.2022 um 06:42 schrieb The Starmaker: >>>> Thomas Heger wrote: >>>> >>>> so you're saying no photo was left on the moon? >>>> >>>> https://www.businessinsider.com/apollo-16-hidden-family-portrait-on-the-moon-2015-10 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> No, that was not what I meant. >>> >>> I wrote, the astronauts went to the Moon with something like an UFO, >>> which was built by the Americans as advanced version of the 'Haunebu'. >>> >>> The footage shown on tv in the 60th was filmed on Earth, because the >>> NASA wanted to hide the technology of these crafts and their very existence. >>> >>> As evidence I wanted to show, that the 'Eagle' looked like build from >>> scrap and plywood in a backyard. >>> >>> Also the Airstream camping car on the carrier 'Hornet' doesn't look >>> convincingly like a quarantine station. This was important, as safe >>> protection against alien virusses was mandatory, because the US >>> president stood right next to it. >>> >>> Another issue was the really small return capsule, that seemling lost >>> parts of a wall-paper like cover. This was rescued allegedly by a Navi >>> rubber raft, where 'just married' was inscribbled with a felt pen. >>> >>> TH >> >> I saw the movie where the german guy build model airplanes...Phoneix >> something. >> >> you talking about toys???? > > > > Of course it was the Germans that first came up with the formula for the > atomic bomb that was dropped on Japan ...twice, a German in Germany > named Albert Einstein. > > I personally think, that Einstein's biography was faked. I would guess, that the person known as Einstein was actually a Swiss citizen from birth. The reason to think so, was his extremely strange cv: He was left behind alone in Munich, as a teenager, after his family went to Pavia in Italy. (That is strange, to say the least.) After some time Einstein left school and went to Italy for a year (without going to school), gave up his German citizenship and went to Zurich in Switzerland and later to Aarau, to go to school again. To me this story sounds impossible and made no sense. More likely his biography was faked and we don't know nothing about his real nationality. TH
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-23 12:25 -0700 |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2022 08:58:03 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote: >Am 22.10.2022 um 19:55 schrieb The Starmaker: >> The Starmaker wrote: >>> >>> Thomas Heger wrote: >>>> >>>> Am 22.10.2022 um 06:42 schrieb The Starmaker: >>>>> Thomas Heger wrote: >>>>> >>>>> so you're saying no photo was left on the moon? >>>>> >>>>> https://www.businessinsider.com/apollo-16-hidden-family-portrait-on-the-moon-2015-10 >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> No, that was not what I meant. >>>> >>>> I wrote, the astronauts went to the Moon with something like an UFO, >>>> which was built by the Americans as advanced version of the 'Haunebu'. >>>> >>>> The footage shown on tv in the 60th was filmed on Earth, because the >>>> NASA wanted to hide the technology of these crafts and their very existence. >>>> >>>> As evidence I wanted to show, that the 'Eagle' looked like build from >>>> scrap and plywood in a backyard. >>>> >>>> Also the Airstream camping car on the carrier 'Hornet' doesn't look >>>> convincingly like a quarantine station. This was important, as safe >>>> protection against alien virusses was mandatory, because the US >>>> president stood right next to it. >>>> >>>> Another issue was the really small return capsule, that seemling lost >>>> parts of a wall-paper like cover. This was rescued allegedly by a Navi >>>> rubber raft, where 'just married' was inscribbled with a felt pen. >>>> >>>> TH >>> >>> I saw the movie where the german guy build model airplanes...Phoneix >>> something. >>> >>> you talking about toys???? >> >> >> >> Of course it was the Germans that first came up with the formula for the >> atomic bomb that was dropped on Japan ...twice, a German in Germany >> named Albert Einstein. >> >> > >I personally think, that Einstein's biography was faked. > >I would guess, that the person known as Einstein was actually a Swiss >citizen from birth. > >The reason to think so, was his extremely strange cv: > >He was left behind alone in Munich, as a teenager, after his family went >to Pavia in Italy. > >(That is strange, to say the least.) > >After some time Einstein left school and went to Italy for a year >(without going to school), gave up his German citizenship and went to >Zurich in Switzerland and later to Aarau, to go to school again. > >To me this story sounds impossible and made no sense. > >More likely his biography was faked and we don't know nothing about his >real nationality. > > > >TH As a son of a citizen of the Kingdom of Württemberg, Albert Einstein, born in Ulm in 1879, was a citizen of the German Empire by birth. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-23 14:55 -0500 |
| Subject | Sick Einstein Obsession (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) |
| Message-ID | <jrlkicFjie9U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #594018 |
On 10/23/2022 2:25 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > On Sun, 23 Oct 2022 08:58:03 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> > wrote: > >> Am 22.10.2022 um 19:55 schrieb The Starmaker: >>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>> >>>> Thomas Heger wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Am 22.10.2022 um 06:42 schrieb The Starmaker: >>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> so you're saying no photo was left on the moon? >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.businessinsider.com/apollo-16-hidden-family-portrait-on-the-moon-2015-10 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No, that was not what I meant. >>>>> >>>>> I wrote, the astronauts went to the Moon with something like an UFO, >>>>> which was built by the Americans as advanced version of the 'Haunebu'. >>>>> >>>>> The footage shown on tv in the 60th was filmed on Earth, because the >>>>> NASA wanted to hide the technology of these crafts and their very existence. >>>>> >>>>> As evidence I wanted to show, that the 'Eagle' looked like build from >>>>> scrap and plywood in a backyard. >>>>> >>>>> Also the Airstream camping car on the carrier 'Hornet' doesn't look >>>>> convincingly like a quarantine station. This was important, as safe >>>>> protection against alien virusses was mandatory, because the US >>>>> president stood right next to it. >>>>> >>>>> Another issue was the really small return capsule, that seemling lost >>>>> parts of a wall-paper like cover. This was rescued allegedly by a Navi >>>>> rubber raft, where 'just married' was inscribbled with a felt pen. >>>>> >>>>> TH >>>> >>>> I saw the movie where the german guy build model airplanes...Phoneix >>>> something. >>>> >>>> you talking about toys???? >>> >>> >>> >>> Of course it was the Germans that first came up with the formula for the >>> atomic bomb that was dropped on Japan ...twice, a German in Germany >>> named Albert Einstein. >>> >>> >> >> I personally think, that Einstein's biography was faked. >> >> I would guess, that the person known as Einstein was actually a Swiss >> citizen from birth. >> >> The reason to think so, was his extremely strange cv: >> >> He was left behind alone in Munich, as a teenager, after his family went >> to Pavia in Italy. >> >> (That is strange, to say the least.) >> >> After some time Einstein left school and went to Italy for a year >> (without going to school), gave up his German citizenship and went to >> Zurich in Switzerland and later to Aarau, to go to school again. >> >> To me this story sounds impossible and made no sense. >> >> More likely his biography was faked and we don't know nothing about his >> real nationality. >> >> >> >> TH > > > > As a son of a citizen of the Kingdom of Württemberg, Albert Einstein, > born in Ulm in 1879, was a citizen of the German Empire by birth. Bad enough none of you appears to understand relativity, your sick obsession wit Einstein should end, otherwise you'll soon be deciding whether he was left dress or right dress. Apparently this is one of the few things that's not a matter of public record. https://www.rajasfashions.com/blog/sir-which-side-do-you-hang/ But then, all of you appear to buy off the rack clothes so there's something about Einstein and well dressed men you don't get, just like you don't get relativity.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2022-10-25 07:27 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <jrpadeF6cfjU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #594018 |
Am 23.10.2022 um 21:25 schrieb The Starmaker: >> >> I personally think, that Einstein's biography was faked. >> >> I would guess, that the person known as Einstein was actually a Swiss >> citizen from birth. >> >> The reason to think so, was his extremely strange cv: >> >> He was left behind alone in Munich, as a teenager, after his family went >> to Pavia in Italy. >> >> (That is strange, to say the least.) >> >> After some time Einstein left school and went to Italy for a year >> (without going to school), gave up his German citizenship and went to >> Zurich in Switzerland and later to Aarau, to go to school again. >> >> To me this story sounds impossible and made no sense. >> >> More likely his biography was faked and we don't know nothing about his >> real nationality. >> > > As a son of a citizen of the Kingdom of Württemberg, Albert Einstein, > born in Ulm in 1879, was a citizen of the German Empire by birth. > History is written by the victors and you are not. So, you are requested to accept as actual facts, about what some victors had decided you have to believe. But besides of such 'history' (which we can safely assume to be at least partically faked), there is also an actual history, which is not written by victors, but by time itself. Now from fake does not follow a truth, if we invert the fake. Instead of this, we know nothing. In case of Einstein, I had doubts about his identity, because his cv made no sense to me. I would actually distrust a story, were a teenager left his family to go to school far away alone and in a different country, after giving up his intial citizenship. This is possible, but I would guess, that it is also unlikely. Teenagers simply don't do that. The other issue was, that the relocation of the Einsteins from Germany to Pavia, Italy would have required language skills, for which no obvious source can befound. TH
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-25 10:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <63582021.E08@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #594122 |
Thomas Heger wrote: > > Am 23.10.2022 um 21:25 schrieb The Starmaker: > > >> > >> I personally think, that Einstein's biography was faked. > >> > >> I would guess, that the person known as Einstein was actually a Swiss > >> citizen from birth. > >> > >> The reason to think so, was his extremely strange cv: > >> > >> He was left behind alone in Munich, as a teenager, after his family went > >> to Pavia in Italy. > >> > >> (That is strange, to say the least.) > >> > >> After some time Einstein left school and went to Italy for a year > >> (without going to school), gave up his German citizenship and went to > >> Zurich in Switzerland and later to Aarau, to go to school again. > >> > >> To me this story sounds impossible and made no sense. > >> > >> More likely his biography was faked and we don't know nothing about his > >> real nationality. > >> > > > > > As a son of a citizen of the Kingdom of Württemberg, Albert Einstein, > > born in Ulm in 1879, was a citizen of the German Empire by birth. > > > History is written by the victors and you are not. > > So, you are requested to accept as actual facts, about what some victors > had decided you have to believe. > > But besides of such 'history' (which we can safely assume to be at least > partically faked), there is also an actual history, which is not written > by victors, but by time itself. > > Now from fake does not follow a truth, if we invert the fake. Instead of > this, we know nothing. > > In case of Einstein, I had doubts about his identity, because his cv > made no sense to me. > > I would actually distrust a story, were a teenager left his family to go > to school far away alone and in a different country, after giving up his > intial citizenship. > > This is possible, but I would guess, that it is also unlikely. > > Teenagers simply don't do that. > > The other issue was, that the relocation of the Einsteins from Germany > to Pavia, Italy would have required language skills, for which no > obvious source can befound. > > TH It does not require "language skills" to relocate.. People from all walks of life are relocating who don't speak the language of the country they are entering everyday....(even scientists) (they drive UBER) dats why Jewish people live in Jewish neighborhoods and dats why Russian people live in Russian neighborhoods and dats why Spanish people live in Spanish neighborhoods and dats why Chinks people live in Chinks neighborhoods and dats why gueineas people live in wops neighborhoods and does your dog speak your language? What's on top of a building? Woof! -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2022-10-27 09:05 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <jruotlF9aivU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #594159 |
Am 25.10.2022 um 19:42 schrieb The Starmaker: ... >>> As a son of a citizen of the Kingdom of Württemberg, Albert Einstein, >>> born in Ulm in 1879, was a citizen of the German Empire by birth. >>> >> History is written by the victors and you are not. >> >> So, you are requested to accept as actual facts, about what some victors >> had decided you have to believe. >> >> But besides of such 'history' (which we can safely assume to be at least >> partically faked), there is also an actual history, which is not written >> by victors, but by time itself. >> >> Now from fake does not follow a truth, if we invert the fake. Instead of >> this, we know nothing. >> >> In case of Einstein, I had doubts about his identity, because his cv >> made no sense to me. >> >> I would actually distrust a story, were a teenager left his family to go >> to school far away alone and in a different country, after giving up his >> intial citizenship. >> >> This is possible, but I would guess, that it is also unlikely. >> >> Teenagers simply don't do that. >> >> The other issue was, that the relocation of the Einsteins from Germany >> to Pavia, Italy would have required language skills, for which no >> obvious source can befound. >> >> TH > > > It does not require "language skills" to relocate.. Sure. But the Einstein's went to Italy to run a company. In this case some skills in Italian were certainly necessary. Also schools were language dependent. As teenagers had to go to school already in the early 20th century, young Albert needed some skills in Italian, if he wanted to stay in Pavia with his family. That was a time, when 'integration classes' for migrants were not yet known and children simply had to speak the language of the country, otherwise they had to learn it. But Einstein was not that good in learning foreign languages, as can be seen in his very poor performance in English after a decade at Princton. > > People from all walks of life are relocating who don't speak the > language of the country > they are entering everyday....(even scientists) (they drive UBER) > > dats why Jewish people live in Jewish neighborhoods and > dats why Russian people live in Russian neighborhoods and > dats why Spanish people live in Spanish neighborhoods and > dats why Chinks people live in Chinks neighborhoods and > dats why gueineas people live in wops neighborhoods and But not so in Italy, because what you describe is the USA. Italians spoke mainly Italian, while some speak German, but not in Pavia. Foreign languages were tought only to a relatively small elite, which could afford to attend better schools than the common peasants. > does your dog speak your language? What's on top of a building? Woof! I have no dog. But dogs cannot speak like humans, while they can actually understand human language quite well. Whether they communicate among each other in regional languages, I cannot say. But I would guess, they don't. TH >
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