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  This site is dead since great minds fled: Bodkin, Moroney, Dono, Dork vin Muurtel, ... Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-08-04 23:17 -0700
    Odious kapo piece of shit Richard Hertz has a recurring wer dream "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-08-05 06:21 -0700
    Re: This site is dead since great minds fled: Bodkin, Moroney, Dono, Dork vin Muurtel, ... Ricardo Jimenez <rickyjim@earthlink.net> - 2022-08-05 11:03 -0400
      Re: This site is dead since great minds fled: Bodkin, Moroney, Dono, Dork vin Muurtel, ... Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-08-07 03:05 +0200
    Re: This site is dead since great minds fled: Bodkin, Moroney, Dono, Dork vin Muurtel, ... Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-05 09:49 -0700
    Re: This site is dead since great minds fled: Bodkin, Moroney, Dono, Dork vin Muurtel, ... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-08-05 10:13 -0700
      Re: This site is dead since great minds fled: Bodkin, Moroney, Dono, Dork vin Muurtel, ... Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-08-05 14:18 -0700
        Re: This site is dead since great minds fled: Bodkin, Moroney, Dono,  Dork vin Muurtel, ... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-08-05 22:10 -0700
      Re: This site is dead since great minds fled: Bodkin, Moroney, Dono, Dork vin Muurtel, ... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-08-06 11:29 -0700

#589291 — This site is dead since great minds fled: Bodkin, Moroney, Dono, Dork vin Muurtel, ...

Now, as relativity itself, this forum is becoming obsolete.

No new ideas, no wit, no humor, no great insights. Only a few topics, repeated
"ad nauseum" by Einstein's widows.

It's sad to witness how "die hard" relativists started to gave up months ago,
after years of sterile attempts to explain why relativity MATTERS at any field
of modern science, or the instructive lectures about what is the essence of
a physicist, based on his/her perception of how Nature seems to work.

It reminds me about the life and doings of one failed physicist, that only got 
one Nobel Prize in Physics, just by chance, and that allowed Einstein to publish:

Wilhelm Carl Werner Otto Fritz Franz Wien (Willy, for friends).
https://mathshistory.st-andrews.ac.uk/Biographies/Wien/

Those who have been demoralized to pursue a career in physics by the ones
that no longer are posting here, should read (in depth, and think) about his
history, preciously narrated in the link above.

Maybe Einstein did know about Wien's history, as he was an inept errand 
until he was 24, and Wien gave him a decisive help to start a career.

Some facts about Willy Wien:

- Born in 1864, a child of noble Prussian roots, was given six names by his parents, to mark his social relevance (they ruined the life of the poor Willy). 

- He was a lonely child, groomed by his father to learn agriculture, as he
  thought it was Willy's destiny to manage family's properties.

- Being 11, showed little enthusiasm for academic work. He had not been 
  prepared for study at the Gymnasium, and he was poorly prepared for 
  mathematics courses. As he didn't progress, at the age of 16, his father
  made him to return home in 1880, to learn to become a farmer. 

-  However, his mother wanted him to gain some academic skills, so his 
   parents arranged private tutors. He was then sent to study at the 
  Königsberg Altstädtisches Gymnasium, where Sommerfeld and Minkowski 
  were pupils, and Wien then started to make good academic progress,  
  graduating from high school in 1882, being 18 years old.

- Wien's mother encouraged him to continue his education, so he enrolled 
 at the University of Göttingen where he studied mathematics and natural 
 sciences but became bored with the courses, and he quit after six months.
 He returned to his parents' farm with the intention of learning to run the 
 farm but, somehow, suffered an existential crisis that let him to restart his
 study, at the University of Berlin, the next year (1883).

- Love for physics came to him being almost 20 y.o., when started to work 
  at the lab with von Helmholtz: "... really came in contact with physics for 
  the first time", he remembered later. He earned his doctoral degree in 1896
  but with less than excellent notes. No professor encouraged him to keep
  building a career in physics, so he returned to the farm, to help his parents,
  which started to become ill.

- Helmholtz himself reinforced Wien's doubts about physics, maintaining that
  as an only son he should take over his parents' property; if he wished, he 
  could always pursue scientific research as a hobby.

- Wien was in a difficult position, unsure of his abilities in physics, but always
  very sure of his lack of skill for taking over running the farm. He found 
  communicating with the farm workers difficult, and he even failed trying 
  to make a good purchase of a horse. Despite this he took his professors' 
  advice and for over three years he worked as a farmer, doing research in 
  physics as a hobby. 

- Still, he managed to take a semester working again with von Helmholtz. His
  parents moved to Berlin, and became seriously ill, dying by 1890. In that
  year, Bismarck was dismissed as Emperor and Wien felt that a new era had
  opened up for him. 

- Over the next few years he carried out work of exceptional quality which led
  to the award of a Nobel Prize in physics but in 1890 his first priority was to 
  work on his habilitation thesis.

- Wien's career took off and, in 1893, working at the  Physikalisch-Technische
  Reichsanstalt (PTR), the most advanced laboratory in the world, discovered
  his Displacement Law of Blackbody Radiation, having invented first the
  "perfect black body cavity", which allowed studies of its internal radiation.
   Only this contribution made him famous worldwide, as he had found the
   way to measure temperature of radiation, key for industrial process.

- In 1896, he adventured a theory about the spectral distribution of radiation
  within a BBC, which was fully compliant with experiments for wavelengths
  above 100 micrometers. It would be Planck, in 1900, and with heavy help of
  experimental physicists, new technologies and information about what
  Rayleigh was doing at England, that added a missing term in Wien's equation
 plus the discovery of the quantum of energy "h" in Dec. 1900.

- Meanwhile, Wien HAD DISCOVERED the proton, as early as 1899. He had 
  invented the first mass-spectrograph and laid the foundation of mass 
  spectroscopy. J J Thomson refined Wien's apparatus and conducted 
  further experiments in 1913 then, after work by E Rutherford in 1919, Wien's
  particle was accepted and named the proton. 

- His studies on the diffraction of x-rays by crystals was the earliest work in 
  this area, coming five years before the discoveries made by Max von Laue. 

- Besides his 1903 Nobel Prize for his Law of Displacement, Wien became a
  permanent Chief Editor of Annalen der Physik in 1906, unitl his death in 1928. 
  He worked those 22 years, sharing with Planck the position of Directors
  of the famous journal.

- Wien had 3professorship positions since 1899, the last one for 20 years.
  By 1900 he was an internationally acclaimed physicist and received many 
  invitations to lecture throughout the world. In 1914 Wien published Ziele 
und Methoden der theoetische Physik Ⓣ. In this work he gave his views on 
the difference between mathematical physics and theoretical physics. 

- Wien had a "friendly", long term, dispute with Planck about the value of
  pure theoretical physics, as he considered that a physicist had to manage
  both experimental and theoretical physics. He punished Heisenberg with
  an average degree on his doctoral degree for his fail on experimental 
  physics.

If you're interested, you can read his biography at the link above.

Why do I write this post? Very simple: for me, Willy Wien is the encarnation
of the struggle of the human being to insist finding what the future will be
for him, and a PROOF of that our future is lying on our hands and spirit. Even
not knowing what will come, the mystery of life is revealed when you are old
and REALIZE that what you achieved was ALWAYS in your hands, and that
you are the architect of your own future (even if you don't know yet).

Now, compare Wien's struggle to get somewhere with Planck, Einstein and
so many others.

You are not born a physicist. Physics FIND YOU, if you persist.

Only a bunch of people are born as geniuses. Maybe 1 in 100 millions. I,
particularly, think in that way of Maxwell, Gauss, Beethoven, Bach, Mozart
and, maybe, Newton.

Einstein? DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH!

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#589302 — Odious kapo piece of shit Richard Hertz has a recurring wer dream

On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 11:17:01 PM UTC-7, odious kapo piece of shit Richard Hertz had a recurring wet dream:
> Now, as relativity itself, this forum is becoming obsolete. 
Having wet dreams again, odious kapo piece of shit? 

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#589306

On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 23:17:00 -0700 (PDT), Richard Hertz
<hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:

>It reminds me about the life and doings of one failed physicist, that only got 
>one Nobel Prize in Physics, just by chance, and that allowed Einstein to publish:
>
>Wilhelm Carl Werner Otto Fritz Franz Wien (Willy, for friends).
>https://mathshistory.st-andrews.ac.uk/Biographies/Wien/

Nowadays Wien is best remembered as the guy who flunked Heisenberg at
the latter's PHD exam.

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#590028

Ricardo Jimenez wrote:

> On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 23:17:00 -0700 (PDT), Richard Hertz
> <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
>>It reminds me about the life and doings of one failed physicist, that only
>>got one Nobel Prize in Physics, just by chance, and that allowed Einstein
>>to publish:
>>
>>Wilhelm Carl Werner Otto Fritz Franz Wien (Willy, for friends).
>>https://mathshistory.st-andrews.ac.uk/Biographies/Wien/
> 
> Nowadays Wien is best remembered as the guy who flunked Heisenberg at
> the latter's PHD exam.

Nonsense.  Please do not talk about things that you know nothing about.
(You only embarrass yourself.)

1. Wien did not "flunk" Heisenberg.  He was not even Heisenberg’s thesis
   advisor; it was Arnold Sommerfeld, and Heisenberg defended his doctoral
   thesis (there was and is no such thing as a Ph.D. degree in Germany)
   successfully.

2.

For example, Wien’s (Displacement) Law is much better known to every 
(astro)physics student and interested layperson (like citizen scientists). 

Given a(n interpolated) black-body spectrum (from an actual spectrum), you 
can determine with it the approximate absolute temperature that the black 
body (as an approximation of the actual body) has:

  T ≈ 0.00289 m K/λ_max,

where λ_max is the wavelength at which the spectrum has its maximum 
intensity.  For example, the solar spectrum peaks at around 500 nm, 
confirming the photospheric solar temperature of

  T ≈ 0.00289 m K/(500 nm) ≈ 5780 K

as obtained from solar radiation flux measurements in the upper terrestrial 
atmosphere and on Luna, applied to the Stefan–Boltzmann Law.

  [The actual effective solar temperature is 5772 K.]

It is also used by thermal scanners e.g. at airports to measure a person’s 
body temperature (and thereby determine whether they might be sick) from a 
safe distance.  (We even had a question in the Physics Ⅱ exam about that 
situation.)

See also: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Wien#Career>


PointedEars
-- 
“Science is empirical: knowing the answer means nothing;
 testing your knowledge means everything.”
   —Dr. Lawrence M. Krauss, theoretical physicist,
    in “A Universe from Nothing” (2009)

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#589310

On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 12:17:01 AM UTC-6, Richard Hertz wrote:
>
> Now, as relativity itself, this forum is becoming obsolete. 
> 
> No new ideas, no wit, no humor, no great insights.

I have recently returned after taking a sabbatical from this forum and
there is much to support your opinion.

> Only a few topics, repeated "ad nauseum" by Einstein's widows. 

Not so, mon ami.  Only a few topics repeated ad nauseam by reality
deniers such as yourself.

> It's sad to witness how "die hard" relativists started to gave up months ago, 
> after years of sterile attempts to explain why relativity MATTERS at any field 
> of modern science,

You're obviously bereft of knowledge about STEM.  Do you not use global
positioning?  Do you care nothing for the amazing discoveries being
made by spacecraft?  Are you not intrigued by quantum mechanics, specifically
QFT?  In order for them to work at all, they rely heavily on relativity.

> or the instructive lectures about what is the essence of a physicist, based on
> his/her perception of how Nature seems to work. 

Physics encompasses a VERY broad range of disciplines, and perceptions are
just as varied.  My "perceptions" go way beyond accepted physics :-)

I have been a champion of tachyons.  One can hypothesize their existence by
Gell-Mann's Totalitarian Principle: "That which is not forbidden, is compulsory."

I've also believed that neutrinos are tachyons because of experiments attempting
to determine the mass (or rather the square of the mass) of the electron antineutrino
by the decay of tritium.  The three experiments that promote this idea  (Mainz,
Troitsk and preliminary KATRIN) concluded that the most likely value of m² is -0.6,
-0.66 and -1.0 eV², respectively with reducing probable error.

The intermediate KATRIN result makes this less likely because it has m² at +0.26
± 0.34 eV².  That's quite a shift from the preliminary result!  But it still allows for a
negative m² :-)

I'm also a fan of string theory.  It has the saving feature that no particles are point
particles.  Pretending elementary particles are point particles may by a good enough
approximation for now, but that will bite us at some ... er ... point.

> It reminds me about the life and doings of one failed physicist, that only got 
> one Nobel Prize in Physics, just by chance, and that allowed Einstein to publish: 

No physicist needs a Nobel to publish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicist#:~:text=A%20physicist%20is%20a%20scientist%20who%20specializes%20in,and%20usually%20frame%20their%20understanding%20in%20mathematical%20terms.

Uh, oh.  Look whose portrait stands at the beginning!  Poor Richard  :-))

Your extreme prejudicial stance against Einstein is really, really weird, even
psychotic.  Have you seen a psychiatrist about that?

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#589313

Richard Hertz wrote:
> 
> Now, as relativity itself, this forum is becoming obsolete.
> 
> No new ideas, no wit, no humor, no great insights. Only a few topics, repeated
> "ad nauseum" by Einstein's widows.
> 
> It's sad to witness how "die hard" relativists started to gave up months ago,
> after years of sterile attempts to explain why relativity MATTERS at any field
> of modern science, or the instructive lectures about what is the essence of
> a physicist, based on his/her perception of how Nature seems to work.
> 
> It reminds me about the life and doings of one failed physicist, that only got
> one Nobel Prize in Physics, just by chance, and that allowed Einstein to publish:
> 
> Wilhelm Carl Werner Otto Fritz Franz Wien (Willy, for friends).
> https://mathshistory.st-andrews.ac.uk/Biographies/Wien/
> 
> Those who have been demoralized to pursue a career in physics by the ones
> that no longer are posting here, should read (in depth, and think) about his
> history, preciously narrated in the link above.
> 
> Maybe Einstein did know about Wien's history, as he was an inept errand
> until he was 24, and Wien gave him a decisive help to start a career.
> 
> Some facts about Willy Wien:
> 
> - Born in 1864, a child of noble Prussian roots, was given six names by his parents, to mark his social relevance (they ruined the life of the poor Willy).
> 
> - He was a lonely child, groomed by his father to learn agriculture, as he
>   thought it was Willy's destiny to manage family's properties.
> 
> - Being 11, showed little enthusiasm for academic work. He had not been
>   prepared for study at the Gymnasium, and he was poorly prepared for
>   mathematics courses. As he didn't progress, at the age of 16, his father
>   made him to return home in 1880, to learn to become a farmer.
> 
> -  However, his mother wanted him to gain some academic skills, so his
>    parents arranged private tutors. He was then sent to study at the
>   Königsberg Altstädtisches Gymnasium, where Sommerfeld and Minkowski
>   were pupils, and Wien then started to make good academic progress,
>   graduating from high school in 1882, being 18 years old.
> 
> - Wien's mother encouraged him to continue his education, so he enrolled
>  at the University of Göttingen where he studied mathematics and natural
>  sciences but became bored with the courses, and he quit after six months.
>  He returned to his parents' farm with the intention of learning to run the
>  farm but, somehow, suffered an existential crisis that let him to restart his
>  study, at the University of Berlin, the next year (1883).
> 
> - Love for physics came to him being almost 20 y.o., when started to work
>   at the lab with von Helmholtz: "... really came in contact with physics for
>   the first time", he remembered later. He earned his doctoral degree in 1896
>   but with less than excellent notes. No professor encouraged him to keep
>   building a career in physics, so he returned to the farm, to help his parents,
>   which started to become ill.
> 
> - Helmholtz himself reinforced Wien's doubts about physics, maintaining that
>   as an only son he should take over his parents' property; if he wished, he
>   could always pursue scientific research as a hobby.
> 
> - Wien was in a difficult position, unsure of his abilities in physics, but always
>   very sure of his lack of skill for taking over running the farm. He found
>   communicating with the farm workers difficult, and he even failed trying
>   to make a good purchase of a horse. Despite this he took his professors'
>   advice and for over three years he worked as a farmer, doing research in
>   physics as a hobby.
> 
> - Still, he managed to take a semester working again with von Helmholtz. His
>   parents moved to Berlin, and became seriously ill, dying by 1890. In that
>   year, Bismarck was dismissed as Emperor and Wien felt that a new era had
>   opened up for him.
> 
> - Over the next few years he carried out work of exceptional quality which led
>   to the award of a Nobel Prize in physics but in 1890 his first priority was to
>   work on his habilitation thesis.
> 
> - Wien's career took off and, in 1893, working at the  Physikalisch-Technische
>   Reichsanstalt (PTR), the most advanced laboratory in the world, discovered
>   his Displacement Law of Blackbody Radiation, having invented first the
>   "perfect black body cavity", which allowed studies of its internal radiation.
>    Only this contribution made him famous worldwide, as he had found the
>    way to measure temperature of radiation, key for industrial process.
> 
> - In 1896, he adventured a theory about the spectral distribution of radiation
>   within a BBC, which was fully compliant with experiments for wavelengths
>   above 100 micrometers. It would be Planck, in 1900, and with heavy help of
>   experimental physicists, new technologies and information about what
>   Rayleigh was doing at England, that added a missing term in Wien's equation
>  plus the discovery of the quantum of energy "h" in Dec. 1900.
> 
> - Meanwhile, Wien HAD DISCOVERED the proton, as early as 1899. He had
>   invented the first mass-spectrograph and laid the foundation of mass
>   spectroscopy. J J Thomson refined Wien's apparatus and conducted
>   further experiments in 1913 then, after work by E Rutherford in 1919, Wien's
>   particle was accepted and named the proton.
> 
> - His studies on the diffraction of x-rays by crystals was the earliest work in
>   this area, coming five years before the discoveries made by Max von Laue.
> 
> - Besides his 1903 Nobel Prize for his Law of Displacement, Wien became a
>   permanent Chief Editor of Annalen der Physik in 1906, unitl his death in 1928.
>   He worked those 22 years, sharing with Planck the position of Directors
>   of the famous journal.
> 
> - Wien had 3professorship positions since 1899, the last one for 20 years.
>   By 1900 he was an internationally acclaimed physicist and received many
>   invitations to lecture throughout the world. In 1914 Wien published Ziele
> und Methoden der theoetische Physik Ⓣ. In this work he gave his views on
> the difference between mathematical physics and theoretical physics.
> 
> - Wien had a "friendly", long term, dispute with Planck about the value of
>   pure theoretical physics, as he considered that a physicist had to manage
>   both experimental and theoretical physics. He punished Heisenberg with
>   an average degree on his doctoral degree for his fail on experimental
>   physics.
> 
> If you're interested, you can read his biography at the link above.
> 
> Why do I write this post? Very simple: for me, Willy Wien is the encarnation
> of the struggle of the human being to insist finding what the future will be
> for him, and a PROOF of that our future is lying on our hands and spirit. Even
> not knowing what will come, the mystery of life is revealed when you are old
> and REALIZE that what you achieved was ALWAYS in your hands, and that
> you are the architect of your own future (even if you don't know yet).
> 
> Now, compare Wien's struggle to get somewhere with Planck, Einstein and
> so many others.
> 
> You are not born a physicist. Physics FIND YOU, if you persist.
> 
> Only a bunch of people are born as geniuses. Maybe 1 in 100 millions. I,
> particularly, think in that way of Maxwell, Gauss, Beethoven, Bach, Mozart
> and, maybe, Newton.
> 
> Einstein? DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH!

Newton, Mozart, Einstein, etc., all had Autism, what was then known as...retardation.

They were all born retarded, not geniuses.

I see, most of yous don't understand the definition of retarded...

look at Jerry Lewis doing a Nutty Proffesor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S9PCIwhsmU


or ask any 1st grade kid to draw a picture of what they think a scientist looks like...
crazy retarded drawings all of them.



Now, ...ask Nature, "What is a scientist?"

and Nature will bring forth this:
https://static.standaard.be/Assets/Images_Upload/2018/03/14/65cea6ca-279e-11e8-8efd-583b7c4e6b07.jpg


a pattern begins to form...








-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#589326

On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 2:13:23 PM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote:

<snip>

> Newton, Mozart, Einstein, etc., all had Autism, what was then known as...retardation. 
> 
> They were all born retarded, not geniuses. 
> 
> I see, most of yous don't understand the definition of retarded... 

Educate yourself. Don't be a jerk.

Google about the two kinds of autism and characteristics: Low functioning autism (short-circuited brain) and
high functioning autism (highly talented people, who prefer to be alone).

High Functioning Autism Symptoms

    Emotional Sensitivity.
    Fixation on Particular Subjects or Ideas.
    Linguistic Oddities.
    Social Difficulties.
    Problems Processing Physical Sensations.
    Devotion to Routines.
    Development of Repetitive or Restrictive Habits.
    Dislike of Change.

The most relevant case of HFA was Paul Dirac. Read his bio and prove the above points upon him.

The problem with HFA people is when they are also psychopaths (a good term for "son of a bitch").

It's worse if a person being a smart HFA psychopath, like a politician.

They don't care about people's life or death, nor the pain they inflict.

But, you have to RUN AWAY of the worst combination: A smart and degenerate HFA psychopath.

They bring misery, destruction, pain and chaos to this world, and DON'T GIVE A FUCK about it.

Some of these genetic garbage are well known: Einstein, Zelensky, Soros, Rothschild, Gates, Shockley, Biden, Clinton, Videla, 
Oppenheimer, Teller, Madeleine Albright, Nixon, Dulles, Hitler, Stalin, Zuckerberg, Dali, Freud, Churchill, Pinochet, Fauci, ...

I could write two pages with surnames of scumbags like the above, only in the last 120 years.

They, in a position of power/influence, did or influenced in the worst crimes at any branch of activity of human beings.

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#589343 — Re: This site is dead since great minds fled: Bodkin, Moroney, Dono, Dork vin Muurtel, ...

Richard Hertz wrote:
> 
> On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 2:13:23 PM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > Newton, Mozart, Einstein, etc., all had Autism, what was then known as...retardation.
> >
> > They were all born retarded, not geniuses.
> >
> > I see, most of yous don't understand the definition of retarded...
> 


newton autism

According to the standard criteria there does not seem much doubt that Isaac Newton, Henry Cavendish and Albert Einstein were 
Asperger people; in fact Newton appears to be the earliest known example of a person with any form of autism.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=newton+autism 

Mozart autism

1756-1791. Most scholars agree that musical maestro Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart was somewhere on the spectrum. 
Mozart was allegedly extremely sensitive to loud noises. He had a notoriously short attention span and could fly through a cycle of facial expressions within seconds.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sxsrf=ALiCzsYwlfFylLoNrWXo_-VK84yl4kNbSA%3A1659761384914&q=Mozart+autism


Einstein autism

As a child, he experienced severe speech delays and later echolalia, or the habit of repeating sentences to himself. And of course, 
there is the fact that Einstein was incredibly technical. Such characteristics have led many experts to conclude that he appeared somewhere on the autism spectrum.


https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sxsrf=ALiCzsZptlT2MWoQHveVhNk0IzFm-UkrfA%3A1659761433834&q=Einstein+autism

Charles Darwin
Paul Dirac – Physicist
Bill Gates
Steve Jobs
Nikola Tesla
and many more..


But these are not geniuses, these are in fact...disease minds.


Born with disease minds.


In other words, mistakes of Nature.



-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#589396

Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> 
> On Saturday, 6 August 2022 at 03:13:26 UTC+10, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Richard Hertz wrote:
> > >
> > > Now, as relativity itself, this forum is becoming obsolete.
> > >
> > > No new ideas, no wit, no humor, no great insights. Only a few topics, repeated
> > > "ad nauseum" by Einstein's widows.
> 
> chutzpah physicists, out.  You've had your day, far too long.






https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/05/europe/scientist-space-image-chorizo-intl-scli-scn/index.html

 Top scientist admits ‘space telescope image’ was actually a slice of
chorizo
By Toyin Owoseje, CNN
Updated 5:46 PM EDT, Fri August 5, 2022

 A French scientist has apologized after tweeting a photo of a slice of
chorizo, claiming it was an image of a distant star taken by the James
Webb Space Telescope.

Étienne Klein, a celebrated physicist and director at France’s
Alternative Energies and Atomic Energy Commission, shared the image of
the spicy Spanish sausage on Twitter last week, praising the “level of
detail” it provided.

“Picture of Proxima Centauri, the nearest star to the Sun, located 4.2
light years away from us. It was taken by the James Webb Space
Telescope. This level of detail… A new world is unveiled everyday,” he
told his more than 91,000 followers on Sunday. 

 The post was retweeted and commented upon by thousands of users, who
took the scientist by his word.

Things, however, were not quite as they seemed.

Klein admitted later in a series of follow-up tweets that the image was,
in fact, a close-up of a slice of chorizo taken against a black
background.

“Well, when it’s cocktail hour, cognitive bias seem to find plenty to
enjoy… Beware of it. According to contemporary cosmology, no object
related to Spanish charcuterie exists anywhere else other than on Earth”
A large pink; speckled galaxy resembling a wheel with with a small;
inner oval; with dusty blue in between on the right; with two smaller
spiral galaxies about the same size to the left against a black
background.

Rare type of galaxy dazzles in new Webb telescope image

After facing a backlash from members of the online community for the
prank, he wrote: “In view of certain comments, I feel obliged to specify
that this tweet showing an alleged picture of Proxima Centauri was a
joke. Let’s learn to be wary of the arguments from positions of
authority as much as the spontaneous eloquence of certain images.”

On Wednesday, Klein apologized for the hoax, saying his intention was
“to urge caution regarding images that seem to speak for themselves.”

In a bid to make amends, he posted an image of the spectacular Cartwheel
galaxy, assuring followers that this time the photo was genuine.

The Webb telescope, the most powerful telescope ever launched into
space, officially began scientific operations on July 12. It will be
able to peer inside the atmospheres of exoplanets and observe some of
the first galaxies created after the universe began by viewing them
through infrared light, which is invisible to the human eye. 
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You can be sure more to come out of the people in NASA also in the
future. I bet a million dollars they
will say they found an Earth out there with air, ocean, and...and sounds
like...the sounds people make.

Then, an asteroid will destroy the telescope.






-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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