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If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?

Started byRichard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com>
First post2022-04-26 17:44 -0700
Last post2022-05-11 15:08 -0700
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  If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-26 17:44 -0700
    Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2022-04-26 18:41 -0700
      Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-27 01:09 -0400
        Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-26 22:18 -0700
        Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-26 22:45 -0700
          Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-27 03:35 -0400
          Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 10:13 +0000
            Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 03:15 -0700
          Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 06:34 -0700
            Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 07:29 -0700
              Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 07:54 -0700
                Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 08:44 -0700
                  Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 09:19 -0700
                    Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 09:59 -0700
                      Odious kapo Richard Hertz eats even more shit "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 10:55 -0700
                      Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 13:32 -0700
                        Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 14:41 -0700
                          Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 16:12 -0700
                            Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 16:41 -0700
                          Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 15:22 +0000
                            Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 08:38 -0700
                              Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 16:44 +0000
                                Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 09:59 -0700
                                  Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 18:06 +0000
                            Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 09:44 -0700
                          Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 12:45 -0700
                            Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Anton Moto <sdqr@tuscbzxl.mc> - 2022-04-29 21:05 +0000
                              Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-29 20:10 -0700
                                Re: yet another nazi pig, JanPB, evacuated: Colin Ohba <owfs@gcftghsf.tk> - 2022-04-30 17:29 +0000
                                  Re: yet another nazi pig, JanPB, evacuated: JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-30 18:40 -0700
                                    Re: yet another nazi pig, JanPB, evacuated: Job Chikamatsu <fkpy@ekyzcfxq.wn> - 2022-05-01 09:44 +0000
                                      Re: yet another nazi pig, JanPB, evacuated: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-05-01 17:40 -0700
                                        Re: yet another nazi pig, JanPB, evacuated: JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-05-02 03:04 -0700
                                      Re: yet another nazi pig, JanPB, evacuated: JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-05-02 03:01 -0700
                                        Re: yet another nazi pig, JanPB, evacuated: Luke Kawazu <vnej@pipfjblg.hq> - 2022-05-02 15:28 +0000
              Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-27 13:17 -0400
                Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 10:31 -0700
                  Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-27 19:43 -0400
                    Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 17:01 -0700
                      Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 12:56 -0700
                        Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Henry Sone <oone@neyesehr.ns> - 2022-04-28 20:08 +0000
                          Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 14:11 -0700
                            Odious kapo Dick Hertz licks nazi boots "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 16:20 -0700
                              Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz licks nazi boots Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 16:56 -0700
                                Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz licks nazi boots "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 19:01 -0700
                                  Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz licks nazi boots Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 21:15 -0700
                                    Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz licks nazi boots whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-04-28 23:28 -0500
                                    Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz licks nazi boots "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 22:51 -0700
                                    Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz licks nazi boots Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-29 04:26 -0400
                                      Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz licks nazi boots "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-29 07:08 -0700
                                        Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz licks nazi boots Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-29 14:09 +0000
                                          Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz licks nazi boots "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-29 07:44 -0700
                                            Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz licks nazi boots Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-29 08:21 -0700
                                              Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz licks nazi boots "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-29 08:30 -0700
                          Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 18:11 -0700
                      Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-28 17:42 -0400
                    Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 21:50 -0700
                    Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Luke Kawazu <vnej@pipfjblg.hq> - 2022-05-02 15:21 +0000
                Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 13:07 -0700
                Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-04-27 22:08 +0200
              Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 11:30 -0700
                Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 11:40 -0700
          Odious kapo Dick Hertz eats shit "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 07:49 -0700
            Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz eats shit The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-27 21:02 -0700
              Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz eats shit "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 08:32 -0700
                Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz eats shit The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-28 10:01 -0700
                Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz eats shit The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-28 15:03 -0700
      Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-26 22:20 -0700
        Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 06:29 -0700
        Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-27 19:55 -0400
    Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 01:51 +0000
      Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-04-26 21:13 -0500
      Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-26 22:15 -0700
    Kapo piece of shit Richard Hertz showcases his ignorance "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-26 19:45 -0700
      Re: Kapo piece of shit Richard Hertz showcases his ignorance Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-26 22:26 -0700
    Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-04-27 13:24 +0200
      Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-27 05:58 -0700
    Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2022-04-28 13:07 -0500
      Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 11:39 -0700
      Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 12:08 -0700
      Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 12:25 -0700
        Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-28 17:55 -0400
          Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 17:11 -0700
            Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-28 23:11 -0400
              Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 22:00 -0700
      Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2022-04-30 14:08 -0700
    Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2022-04-28 12:13 -0700
    Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-05-04 13:02 -0700
    Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-05-05 05:51 -0700
      Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-05-05 08:03 -0700
        Kookfight at the OK Corrall "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-05-05 09:18 -0700
    Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is  not? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-05-05 16:24 +0000
      Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-05-06 18:14 -0700
        Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is  not? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-05-07 13:58 +0000
        Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is  not? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-05-07 13:59 +0000
          Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-05-09 11:22 -0700
            Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-05-09 11:30 -0700
            Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is  not? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-05-09 18:40 +0000
              Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-05-09 14:44 -0700
                Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-05-09 15:25 -0700
                Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is  not? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-05-09 22:37 +0000
              Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-05-09 15:24 -0700
                Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is  not? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-05-09 22:41 +0000
                  Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-05-09 20:07 -0700
                    Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is  not? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-05-10 09:58 +0000
                      Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2022-05-10 12:53 +0200
                        Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-05-10 03:58 -0700
    Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-05-11 14:45 -0700
      Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-05-11 15:08 -0700

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#584412

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2022-04-28 11:30 -0700
Message-ID<30f1e60e-7ee4-4d61-b097-0b55de3a37d1n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#584247
On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 7:29:33 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:34:30 AM UTC-3, rotchm wrote: 
> > On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 1:45:54 AM UTC-4, Richard Hertz wrote:
> <snip>
> > > Relativity is very confusing 
> > 
> > For dumb people, yes it is. 
> > > Maybe because is a fucking, worthless METAPHYSICS! 
> > You do not know what the word 'metaphysics' means, nor how to apply it correctly in a sentence. 
> > You are very confused. You should seek medical help. 
> > Take a long break from this group and consult.
> METAPHYSICS: the branch of philosophy that deals with the first principles of things, including abstract concepts such as being, 
> knowing, identity, time, and space. 
> EXAMPLE: "they would regard the question of the initial conditions for the universe as belonging to the realm of metaphysics or religion" 
> 
> See, imbecile? Not do difficult to understand. And this is just the first definition of metaphysics that I've found googling it. 

You missed the phrase "branch of philosophy".

Relativity is a branch of physics. The fact that it deals with certain first
principles does not make it into philosophy (relativity uses  experimental 
results as the criterion of validity).

I suggest you see a doctor, you suffer from a monomania.

--
Jan

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#584417

FromMaciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com>
Date2022-04-28 11:40 -0700
Message-ID<0ffb1430-3f2c-4d07-873c-74b73f32d301n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#584412
On Thursday, 28 April 2022 at 20:30:11 UTC+2, JanPB wrote:

> Relativity is a branch of physics. The fact that it deals with certain first 
> principles does not make it into philosophy (relativity uses experimental 
> results as the criterion of validity). 

In the meantime in the real world, however, forbidden
by your insane Shit TAI and GPS keep measuring t'=t, just
like all serious clocks always did.

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#584252 — Odious kapo Dick Hertz eats shit

From"Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com>
Date2022-04-27 07:49 -0700
SubjectOdious kapo Dick Hertz eats shit
Message-ID<7aa57bdd-7dc9-4eae-93d2-d7962b5e2fccn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#584214
On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 10:45:54 PM UTC-7, odious kapo Richard Hertz ate some more shit:

> I don't confuse shit! 

You get to eat it, Dick. Every time you open your mouth. 

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#584334 — Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz eats shit

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2022-04-27 21:02 -0700
SubjectRe: Odious kapo Dick Hertz eats shit
Message-ID<626A11B8.48DD@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#584252
Dono. wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 10:45:54 PM UTC-7, odious kapo Richard Hertz ate some more shit:
> 
> > I don't confuse shit!
> 
> You get to eat it, Dick. Every time you open your mouth.

You have to watch out Dono who you go after...

Richard Hertz has a German aggresive mentality (according to eistein's
study of german people's mentality).

Albert Einstein believed that the Germans will repeat history.


If you keep going after Richard Hertz the way you do you
might have to suffer the consequencies.


You could lose your job.

For example, Richard might contact your employer and tell him that you
are using
your employer's companies computers to harass people online. 
Your employer will find that very troubling and could be fatal to your
employers company. He would fire you on the spot. No second chances.
Your employer would consider that...unacceptable.

From now on you're on your own. You've been warned.

If I see you harassing anyone here after today, ...you're suicidal.


Kaput.




-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#584370 — Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz eats shit

From"Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com>
Date2022-04-28 08:32 -0700
SubjectRe: Odious kapo Dick Hertz eats shit
Message-ID<bf6df458-7724-4861-8f3c-595e7ed1353en@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#584334
On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 9:01:43 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> Dono. wrote: 
> > 
> > On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 10:45:54 PM UTC-7, odious kapo Richard Hertz ate some more shit: 
> > 
> > > I don't confuse shit! 
> > 
> > You get to eat it, Dick. Every time you open your mouth.
> You have to watch out Dono who you go after... 
> 
> Richard Hertz has a German aggresive mentality (according to eistein's 
> study of german people's mentality). 
> 

I get the Dick odious kapo (he's Jewish, not German) to swallow shit every time he opens his mouth. This is fun. 

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#584391 — Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz eats shit

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2022-04-28 10:01 -0700
SubjectRe: Odious kapo Dick Hertz eats shit
Message-ID<626AC86B.6444@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#584370
Dono. wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 9:01:43 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Dono. wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 10:45:54 PM UTC-7, odious kapo Richard Hertz ate some more shit:
> > >
> > > > I don't confuse shit!
> > >
> > > You get to eat it, Dick. Every time you open your mouth.
> > You have to watch out Dono who you go after...
> >
> > Richard Hertz has a German aggresive mentality (according to eistein's
> > study of german people's mentality).
> >
> 
> I get the Dick odious kapo (he's Jewish, not German) to swallow shit every time he opens his mouth. This is fun.

Richard is a Kike??? No vey!


-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#584440 — Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz eats shit

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2022-04-28 15:03 -0700
SubjectRe: Odious kapo Dick Hertz eats shit
Message-ID<626B0F17.7D09@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#584370
Dono. wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 9:01:43 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Dono. wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 10:45:54 PM UTC-7, odious kapo Richard Hertz ate some more shit:
> > >
> > > > I don't confuse shit!
> > >
> > > You get to eat it, Dick. Every time you open your mouth.
> > You have to watch out Dono who you go after...
> >
> > Richard Hertz has a German aggresive mentality (according to eistein's
> > study of german people's mentality).
> >
> 
> I get the Dick odious kapo (he's Jewish, not German) to swallow shit every time he opens his mouth. This is fun.

i thought You were a Kike....will the real Kike please stand up?



-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#584211

FromRichard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com>
Date2022-04-26 22:20 -0700
Message-ID<7cc9b521-679e-488e-8f43-0f4f5e6aa065n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#584194
On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 10:41:10 PM UTC-3, rotchm wrote:

> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-4, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> > 110 years of stupid coffee talks, endless stories and imaginary tests ended in NOTHING.
> You are either lying or very confused. Many tests have been performed, hence they are not imaginary. Those test had results, hence did not end in nothing.

> > - Length contraction is temporal, and ceases if motion stops.
> Just as time Dale she seizes when motion stops.

> > - Time dilation, instead, is permanent no matter what.
> No it is not. You are very confused. 
> When the clock stops moving, it's rate is the same as the "stationary" clock. 

Absolutely INCORRECT. Einstein clearly wrote:  "TIME IS WHAT MY CLOCK SHOWS". Then, what the clock shows
as TIME can't be modified by itself just because the rate of ticks changed. The clock has MEMORY, either being a mechanical
or electronic clock.

> When one talks about time dilation, be sure you are referring to its rates. 
> So when the ruler are the clock moves, they are 'contracted'. Once they are no longer moving, they are not 'contracted'.

> > You can't shrink biological entities, except in movies.
> Maybe you can't, but we can. Don't force your limitations onto others. 

LIAR! If you shrink a living biological entity, you KILL IT!

What are you? A murderer, besides a liar?

<snip snip>

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#584240

Fromrotchm <rotchm@gmail.com>
Date2022-04-27 06:29 -0700
Message-ID<7a2cbaf3-d25d-4121-ba94-059314752171n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#584211
On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 1:20:22 AM UTC-4, Richard Hertz wrote:

> Absolutely INCORRECT. 

You are a very confused person and a reality denier.
Just look how your life turned out to be! Have you ever wondered why? Maybe it's just because you make very bad decisions because you are a very bad thinker? 

> Einstein clearly wrote: "TIME IS WHAT MY CLOCK SHOWS". 

Besides being a bad thinker, you are all so clueless about the meaning of the words you use.
Namely, you do not know what the word 'time' means, nor what the word 'clock' means.
Again, you are a very confused person.

>  If you shrink a living biological entity, you KILL IT! 

No, not necessarily. You are a very confused person.
You should seek medical help instead of spending your time in this newsgroup.
Or go find another Hobby, like rock collecting or watching paint dry.

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#584329

FromMichael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com>
Date2022-04-27 19:55 -0400
Message-ID<t4cl69$p6g$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#584211
On 4/27/2022 1:20 AM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 10:41:10 PM UTC-3, rotchm wrote:
> 
>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-4, Richard Hertz wrote:
>>> 110 years of stupid coffee talks, endless stories and imaginary tests ended in NOTHING.
>> You are either lying or very confused. Many tests have been performed, hence they are not imaginary. Those test had results, hence did not end in nothing.
> 
>>> - Length contraction is temporal, and ceases if motion stops.
>> Just as time Dale she seizes when motion stops.
> 
>>> - Time dilation, instead, is permanent no matter what.
>> No it is not. You are very confused.
>> When the clock stops moving, it's rate is the same as the "stationary" clock.
> 
> Absolutely INCORRECT. Einstein clearly wrote:  "TIME IS WHAT MY CLOCK SHOWS". Then, what the clock shows
> as TIME can't be modified by itself just because the rate of ticks changed. The clock has MEMORY, either being a mechanical
> or electronic clock.

The clock is like an odometer of time instead of distance.  Just as two 
different cars taking two different routes to a destination can have 
different distances for the route on the odometers, two different 
travelers can take two different paths through spacetime and arrive at 
the destination with different ages (time passed on a stopwatch). 
Conversely, high speed causes one to see the other's length to be 
contracted and tick rate slowed, but both effects cease when the 
relative motion ceases.  Length contraction/time dilation are equivalent.

> 
>> When one talks about time dilation, be sure you are referring to its rates.
>> So when the ruler are the clock moves, they are 'contracted'. Once they are no longer moving, they are not 'contracted'.
> 
>>> You can't shrink biological entities, except in movies.
>> Maybe you can't, but we can. Don't force your limitations onto others.
> 
> LIAR! If you shrink a living biological entity, you KILL IT!

But at a high speed, the living biological entity is stationary in its 
own frame, it doesn't experience any shrinkage. Conversely, it sees the 
rest of the universe as having shrunk.

(the ACCELERATION needed to reach such speeds in a reasonable time is a 
different story. Too much acceleration will kill. At 10 g, a 200lb man 
experiences a force of 1 ton, for example)
> 
> What are you? A murderer, besides a liar?
> 
> <snip snip>

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#584195

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2022-04-27 01:51 +0000
Message-ID<t4a7jv$79s$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#584193
Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> 110 years of stupid coffee talks, endless stories and imaginary tests ended
> in NOTHING.
> 
> - Length contraction is temporal, and ceases if motion stops.
> 
> - Time dilation, instead, is permanent no matter what.
> 
> There you have zillions of thought experiments about twins aging differently,
> yet their shrink is transitory.
> 
> Maybe it's because relativity is METAPHYSICS?

Real, measurable effects are metaphysics?

> 
> You can't shrink biological entities, except in movies.
> But you can get permanent time dilation on inanimate objects like CLOCKS
> because, as the cretin wrote in stone (for the ignorant human herd), time
> is what your clock shows.
> 
> Remember Einstein's clock? What arrows show, within 12 hours, is TIME.
> 
> And mechanical objects are sensitive to relativity, while biology doesn't give
> a flying fuck about relativity.
> 
> But useless eaters believing in relativity perseveres, even one century after.
> 
> I wonder how Darwin theory works on relativists.
> 
> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#584196

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2022-04-26 21:13 -0500
Message-ID<jcrn66F2bg7U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#584195
On 4/26/2022 8:51 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 110 years of stupid coffee talks, endless stories and imaginary tests ended
>> in NOTHING.
>>
>> - Length contraction is temporal, and ceases if motion stops.
>>
>> - Time dilation, instead, is permanent no matter what.
>>
>> There you have zillions of thought experiments about twins aging differently,
>> yet their shrink is transitory.
>>
>> Maybe it's because relativity is METAPHYSICS?
> 
> Real, measurable effects are metaphysics?

He knew nothing about it till you mentioned it, and still doesn't
understand after reading the definition. Just the facts, no insult
intended, regardless of the outcome.




>> You can't shrink biological entities, except in movies.
>> But you can get permanent time dilation on inanimate objects like CLOCKS
>> because, as the cretin wrote in stone (for the ignorant human herd), time
>> is what your clock shows.
>>
>> Remember Einstein's clock? What arrows show, within 12 hours, is TIME.
>>
>> And mechanical objects are sensitive to relativity, while biology doesn't give
>> a flying fuck about relativity.
>>
>> But useless eaters believing in relativity perseveres, even one century after.
>>
>> I wonder how Darwin theory works on relativists.
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 

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#584208

FromMaciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com>
Date2022-04-26 22:15 -0700
Message-ID<2529b1cd-fb87-4ef8-814b-c7432511fb64n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#584195
On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 03:52:03 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > 110 years of stupid coffee talks, endless stories and imaginary tests ended 
> > in NOTHING. 
> > 
> > - Length contraction is temporal, and ceases if motion stops. 
> > 
> > - Time dilation, instead, is permanent no matter what. 
> > 
> > There you have zillions of thought experiments about twins aging differently, 
> > yet their shrink is transitory. 
> > 
> > Maybe it's because relativity is METAPHYSICS?
> Real, measurable effects are metaphysics?

Sorry, Odd, your Shit is not about real, measurable effects.
It's about "desynchronizing clocks are proper, correct
and THE BEST WAY, and we're FORCED, because an 
insane  crazie has postulated so."

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#584197 — Kapo piece of shit Richard Hertz showcases his ignorance

From"Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com>
Date2022-04-26 19:45 -0700
SubjectKapo piece of shit Richard Hertz showcases his ignorance
Message-ID<6cee742e-b16b-4c75-bfac-28cac97d0c1an@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#584193
On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 5:44:32 PM UTC-7, odious kapo Richard Hertz wrote:

> - Time dilation, instead, is permanent no matter what. 
> 

Imbecile,

It is clear that you are confusing time dilation with total elapsed proper time. A mistake typical to ignoramuses that try (and never succeed) to get the basics. Keep it up, dumbestfuck! 

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#584213 — Re: Kapo piece of shit Richard Hertz showcases his ignorance

FromRichard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com>
Date2022-04-26 22:26 -0700
SubjectRe: Kapo piece of shit Richard Hertz showcases his ignorance
Message-ID<7b2f475c-899a-4660-98d4-7902eb6588efn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#584197
On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 11:45:06 PM UTC-3, Dono. wrote:

> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 5:44:32 PM UTC-7, odious kapo Richard Hertz wrote: 
> 
> > - Time dilation, instead, is permanent no matter what. 
> >
> Imbecile, 
> 
> It is clear that you are confusing time dilation with total elapsed proper time. A mistake typical to ignoramuses that try (and never succeed) to get the basics. Keep it up, dumbestfuck!

Hi, Adrian! Long time I didn't hear from you. How is Mrs. Garcia?

I repeat what I wrote to rotchm: THE CLOCK HAS MEMORY, HENCE THE TIME SHOWN CAN'T BE REVERTED.

And I don't confuse anything. Go to complain to your cretin retarded spiritual chief, in any case.

He clearly defined TIME as what your clock shows.

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#584235

Fromnospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Date2022-04-27 13:24 +0200
Message-ID<1pr2n05.18ci482hj58fiN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
In reply to#584193
Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:

> 110 years of stupid coffee talks, endless stories and imaginary tests ended
> in NOTHING.
> 
> - Length contraction is temporal, and ceases if motion stops.
> 
> - Time dilation, instead, is permanent no matter what.

You are confusing coordinates and physical effects.

The rod is always at its own same length,
the clock always ticks at its own same rate,
all in its own rest frame.

Jan

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#584238

FromMaciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com>
Date2022-04-27 05:58 -0700
Message-ID<5138c0af-dfc8-4df6-b743-9ff7f5f8b671n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#584235
On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 13:24:17 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> > 110 years of stupid coffee talks, endless stories and imaginary tests ended 
> > in NOTHING. 
> > 
> > - Length contraction is temporal, and ceases if motion stops. 
> > 
> > - Time dilation, instead, is permanent no matter what.
> You are confusing coordinates and physical effects. 
> 
> The rod is always at its own same length, 
> the clock always ticks at its own same rate, 

In a perfect, gedanken world where everyone is obeying
your idiot guru (and his priests); in the real GPS it's 
9 192 631 770 and 9 192 631 774.

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#584402

FromTom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date2022-04-28 13:07 -0500
Message-ID<44SdneTIzthHSvf_nZ2dnUU7_83NnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#584193
On 4/26/22 7:44 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> [...]

    ["reversible" is the wrong word, but I think I know what
     you mean.]

"length contraction" and "time dilation" both go to zero when the
relative velocity between object and observer/frame goes to zero.

"Length contraction" is the difference in length measured by an
observer/frame co-moving with a ruler and the length measured by an
observer/frame relative to which the ruler is moving (along its length).

"Time dilation" is the difference in tick interval of a clock measured
by an observer/frame co-moving with the clock and its tick interval
measured by an observer/frame relative to which the clock is moving.

You are apparently confusing elapsed proper time with "time dilation".
Yes, the elapsed proper time of a clock is always monotonically
increasing and never stops.

    Here's a rather loose analogy: in your car, the speedometer
    measures a quantity analogous to "time dilation", while
    the odometer measures a quantity analogous to elapsed
    proper time.

Tom Roberts

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#584416

FromMaciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com>
Date2022-04-28 11:39 -0700
Message-ID<bef9b21f-72ef-4225-9add-105753362df5n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#584402
On Thursday, 28 April 2022 at 20:07:30 UTC+2, tjrob137 wrote:

> "Time dilation" is the difference in tick interval of a clock measured 
> by an observer/frame co-moving with the clock and its tick interval 
> measured by an observer/frame relative to which the clock is moving. 

And, as anyone can check at GPS, it doesn't exist.
Common sense was warning your idiot guru.

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#584419

From"Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com>
Date2022-04-28 12:08 -0700
Message-ID<bcf4df6b-1de6-43a8-8db4-1be56f0d8082n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#584402
On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 11:07:30 AM UTC-7, tjrob137 wrote:

> You are apparently confusing elapsed proper time with "time dilation". 
> Yes, the elapsed proper time of a clock is always monotonically 
> increasing and never stops. 
> 
I already told the rabid crank exactly this , right at the top of the thread. Not that will make any difference. 

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