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How many planets are there?

Started byThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
First post2021-07-17 23:08 -0700
Last post2021-07-20 18:50 -0400
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  How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-17 23:08 -0700
    Re: How many planets are there? Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2021-07-18 17:14 +1000
      Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-18 00:23 -0700
        Re: How many planets are there? Jonathan <writeInstead@Gmail.com> - 2021-07-18 17:55 -0400
          Re: How many planets are there? Kurt Nicklas <kurtnicklas@gmail.com> - 2021-07-19 01:10 +0300
            Re: How many planets are there? Jonathan <writeInstead@Gmail.com> - 2021-07-19 08:15 -0400
              Re: How many planets are there? Kurt Nicklas <kurtnicklas@gmail.com> - 2021-07-19 15:23 +0300
                Re: How many planets are there? Jonathan <writeInstead@Gmail.com> - 2021-07-19 08:38 -0400
                  Re: How many planets are there? Kurt Nicklas <kurtnicklas@gmail.com> - 2021-07-19 15:43 +0300
                    Re: How many planets are there? Jonathan <writeInstead@Gmail.com> - 2021-07-19 08:58 -0400
                      America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-07-19 11:38 -0700
                        Re: America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-19 23:50 -0700
                          Re: America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2021-07-20 07:08 +0000
                          Re: America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-07-20 08:52 -0500
                            Re: America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-20 09:27 -0700
                              Re: America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-07-20 11:30 -0500
                              Re: America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-20 10:10 -0700
                                Re: America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-07-20 12:35 -0500
                                  Re: America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2021-07-20 11:07 -0700
                              Re: America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-23 14:21 -0700
                                Re: America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-24 18:39 -0700
                                Re: America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-08-03 12:08 -0700
                                  Re: America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. Webster Nusbaum <ehtcp1@wdedbcn.lc> - 2021-08-03 19:25 +0000
                                  Re: America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-08-03 12:53 -0700
                                    Re: America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-08-03 15:00 -0700
                          Re: America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-07-20 08:03 -0600
                            Re: America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-20 09:30 -0700
                              Re: America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-07-20 12:08 -0500
                                Re: America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2021-07-20 14:01 -0500
                                Re: America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-07-20 21:26 -0600
                              Re: America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2021-07-20 14:01 -0500
                                Re: America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-07-20 21:30 -0600
                                Re: America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. Mainspring <MSpr@zeex.net> - 2021-07-21 00:05 -0400
                                  Re: America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-07-21 10:09 -0500
                                    Re: America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-07-21 19:45 -0600
                                      Re: America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. Unruh <unruh@sjrb.ca> - 2021-07-22 02:02 +0000
                              Re: America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-20 13:33 -0700
                              Re: America's life expectancy is dropping like never before. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-07-20 21:22 -0600
      Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-18 00:35 -0700
        Re: How many planets are there? Bud W Thacker <buwth8@hotmail.com> - 2021-07-18 13:38 +0000
        Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-20 15:44 -0700
          Re: How many planets are there? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-07-20 22:27 -0500
            Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-22 23:17 -0700
              Re: How many planets are there? Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-22 23:46 -0700
              Re: How many planets are there? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-07-23 10:47 -0500
              Re: How many planets are there? Vance <vancen@gmail.com> - 2021-07-26 03:22 +0000
                Re: How many planets are there? Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-26 01:10 -0700
                  Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-26 09:49 -0700
                    Re: How many planets are there? "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2021-07-26 21:31 -0500
                    Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-27 13:08 -0700
                      Re: How many planets are there? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-07-27 16:18 -0500
                        Re: How many planets are there? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2021-07-27 14:27 -0700
                        Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-27 22:05 -0700
                          Re: How many planets are there? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-07-28 10:36 -0500
                            Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-28 10:19 -0700
                              Re: How many planets are there? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-07-28 14:47 -0500
                      Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-27 14:28 -0700
                        Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-27 14:30 -0700
              Re: How many planets are there? Vance <vancen@gmail.com> - 2021-07-26 23:51 +0000
              Re: How many planets are there? Vance <vancen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-04 03:59 +0000
          Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-21 10:02 -0700
            Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-21 10:19 -0700
              Re: How many planets are there? Kurt Nicklas <kurtnicklas@gmail.com> - 2021-07-21 20:41 +0300
                Re: How many planets are there? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-07-21 14:05 -0500
                  Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-21 14:04 -0700
                    Re: How many planets are there? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-07-21 18:39 -0500
                      Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-21 17:22 -0700
                      Re: How many planets are there? Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2021-07-21 20:52 -0700
            Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-21 14:12 -0700
              Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-21 22:58 -0700
                Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-21 23:19 -0700
                  Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-21 23:36 -0700
                    Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-22 13:39 -0700
                      Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-22 23:15 -0700
                        Re: How many planets are there? Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2021-07-23 17:22 +1000
                        Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-23 08:43 -0700
                          Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-23 13:20 -0700
                            Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-23 15:58 -0700
                              Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-23 20:50 -0700
                                Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-24 19:11 -0700
                                  Re: How many planets are there? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-07-24 22:30 -0500
                                  Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-25 10:27 -0700
                                    Re: How many planets are there? Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2021-07-25 19:02 -0700
                                      Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-26 15:17 -0700
                                        Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-26 18:48 -0700
                                        Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-26 18:50 -0700
                                        Re: How many planets are there? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-07-26 21:38 -0500
                                  Re: How many planets are there? Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2021-07-25 19:00 -0700
                                    Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-26 15:23 -0700
                                      Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-26 19:03 -0700
                                        Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-28 22:12 -0700
                                          Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-29 10:23 -0700
                                            Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-31 13:05 -0700
                                              Re: How many planets are there? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-07-31 16:03 -0500
                                              Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-31 20:18 -0700
                                                Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-08-01 00:02 -0700
                                                  Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-08-02 13:34 -0700
                                                    Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-08-02 13:40 -0700
                Re: How many planets are there? Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-07-22 11:18 -0500
        Re: How many planets are there? Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2021-07-21 10:49 +1000
      Re: How many planets are there? Bud W Thacker <buwth8@hotmail.com> - 2021-07-18 11:03 +0000
        Re: How many planets are there? Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2021-07-22 11:48 +1000
    Re: How many planets are there? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-07-18 10:21 -0500
      Re: How many planets are there? Jonathan <writeInstead@Gmail.com> - 2021-07-18 17:58 -0400
      Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-20 09:34 -0700
        Re: How many planets are there? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-07-20 12:02 -0500
    Re: How many planets are there? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2021-07-18 10:57 -0700
    Re: How stupid is starfucktard? Orni Thopter <flapping@wi.ngs> - 2021-07-18 13:48 -0700
    What is the name of the 9th protester in Seattle ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-07-18 14:24 -0700
    Re: How many planets are there? Jonathan <writeInstead@Gmail.com> - 2021-07-18 17:56 -0400
      Re: How many planets are there? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-07-20 09:48 -0700
        Re: How many planets are there? Jonathan <writeInstead@Gmail.com> - 2021-07-20 18:50 -0400

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#558504

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-07-21 10:02 -0700
Message-ID<60F8533B.3B4B@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#558476
Paul Alsing wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 3:43:39 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> > ...there is only one sun in the whole entire universe.
> 
> There is only one Sun, but there are uncountable other suns in the universe. Just ask a dictionary... which, of course, tells us all just what is sun is...
> 
> https://www.dictionary.com/browse/sun
> 
> "a star, especially one that has planets and other celestial bodies revolving around it:
> Many other solar systems have multiple suns, while ours has just one."



Strange how Paul Alsing uses 'fauci science' to get around words...


Any intellectual honest person knows The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System.  

https://www.google.com/search?q=define+sun


wiki (the facuci science website) reads:

The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun



But yous only counted 8 planets...and it's only in your own solar system.

Meaning...all those others stars don't have a solar system, so they are not suns, they are stars.


It's like, yous people have no idea what a planet is! It's just a big rock in the shape of a ...ball!!


Okay children...how many big balls of rocks are out there? Yous only counted 8 balls.


No real evidence of a 9th big ball, or a tenth big ball, or a billion of them.

Just eight.

Only one sun. Only eight balls. That's it.



Throw Dr. Fauci in jail for lying to congress! Dr. Lie.


and the rest of yous dr. lies....






-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#558507

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-07-21 10:19 -0700
Message-ID<60F85724.274D@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#558504
Here is MORE 'fauci science'...

"Evidence of life on Mars has been 'erased', says NASA scientists"


Oh, no wonder we cannot find Life on Mars, somebody ERASED IT!



Back to Killer Asteroids..


Boy, it sure is hot outside where I live! It's not Summer yet, is it?  Isn't Summer suppose to come in the Winter????



Follow the science...(the fauci science)

(you know whats worse than finding out there is no santa claus, finding tissues in her bra!)


They shouldn't throw Dr. Fauci in jail, they should just shoot him!


Is Pluto a planet? 


Simon Fauci sez, "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." 


slap those bitches.







 


The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Paul Alsing wrote:
> >
> > On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 3:43:39 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > > ...there is only one sun in the whole entire universe.
> >
> > There is only one Sun, but there are uncountable other suns in the universe. Just ask a dictionary... which, of course, tells us all just what is sun is...
> >
> > https://www.dictionary.com/browse/sun
> >
> > "a star, especially one that has planets and other celestial bodies revolving around it:
> > Many other solar systems have multiple suns, while ours has just one."
> 
> Strange how Paul Alsing uses 'fauci science' to get around words...
> 
> Any intellectual honest person knows The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System.
> 
> https://www.google.com/search?q=define+sun
> 
> wiki (the facuci science website) reads:
> 
> The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun
> 
> But yous only counted 8 planets...and it's only in your own solar system.
> 
> Meaning...all those others stars don't have a solar system, so they are not suns, they are stars.
> 
> It's like, yous people have no idea what a planet is! It's just a big rock in the shape of a ...ball!!
> 
> Okay children...how many big balls of rocks are out there? Yous only counted 8 balls.
> 
> No real evidence of a 9th big ball, or a tenth big ball, or a billion of them.
> 
> Just eight.
> 
> Only one sun. Only eight balls. That's it.
> 
> Throw Dr. Fauci in jail for lying to congress! Dr. Lie.
> 
> and the rest of yous dr. lies....
> 
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
>  to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
>  the unchallengeable.

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#558510

FromKurt Nicklas <kurtnicklas@gmail.com>
Date2021-07-21 20:41 +0300
Message-ID<b0ngfg1jm1s6rah3uab1kso5rr8edl38c6@4ax.com>
In reply to#558507
On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 10:19:32 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Here is MORE 'fauci science'...
>
>"Evidence of life on Mars has been 'erased', says NASA scientists"
>
>
>Oh, no wonder we cannot find Life on Mars, somebody ERASED IT!

Trumpophobes are screaming 'Orange Man Bad'!


>
>Back to Killer Asteroids..
>
>
>Boy, it sure is hot outside where I live! It's not Summer yet, is it?  Isn't Summer suppose to come in the Winter????
>
>
>
>Follow the science...(the fauci science)
>
>(you know whats worse than finding out there is no santa claus, finding tissues in her bra!)
>
>
>They shouldn't throw Dr. Fauci in jail, they should just shoot him!
>
>
>Is Pluto a planet? 
>
>
>Simon Fauci sez, "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a
>planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." "Pluto is a planet", "Pluto is not a planet." 
>
>
>slap those bitches.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>The Starmaker wrote:
>> 
>> Paul Alsing wrote:
>> >
>> > On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 3:43:39 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>> >
>> > > ...there is only one sun in the whole entire universe.
>> >
>> > There is only one Sun, but there are uncountable other suns in the universe. Just ask a dictionary... which, of course, tells us all just what is sun is...
>> >
>> > https://www.dictionary.com/browse/sun
>> >
>> > "a star, especially one that has planets and other celestial bodies revolving around it:
>> > Many other solar systems have multiple suns, while ours has just one."
>> 
>> Strange how Paul Alsing uses 'fauci science' to get around words...
>> 
>> Any intellectual honest person knows The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System.
>> 
>> https://www.google.com/search?q=define+sun
>> 
>> wiki (the facuci science website) reads:
>> 
>> The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun
>> 
>> But yous only counted 8 planets...and it's only in your own solar system.
>> 
>> Meaning...all those others stars don't have a solar system, so they are not suns, they are stars.
>> 
>> It's like, yous people have no idea what a planet is! It's just a big rock in the shape of a ...ball!!
>> 
>> Okay children...how many big balls of rocks are out there? Yous only counted 8 balls.
>> 
>> No real evidence of a 9th big ball, or a tenth big ball, or a billion of them.
>> 
>> Just eight.
>> 
>> Only one sun. Only eight balls. That's it.
>> 
>> Throw Dr. Fauci in jail for lying to congress! Dr. Lie.
>> 
>> and the rest of yous dr. lies....
>> 
>> --
>> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
>>  to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
>>  the unchallengeable.

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#558521

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2021-07-21 14:05 -0500
Message-ID<ilr9fqFpbrnU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#558510
On 7/21/2021 12:41 PM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:

> Trumpophobes are screaming 'Orange Man Bad'!

The average NEVER_TRUMPER is an idiot, perhaps even a lunatic.

There is such a thing as being right for the wrong reasons.

Finding good things to say about Hitler is very much the same
thing as finding good things to say about Donald Trump. While
it is actually possible, the evil the man wrought is so
overwhelming as to negate any possible good. Trump carries
many false flags. Whoever he/she is, why are you completely
certain about your hero(s?)

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#558522

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-07-21 14:04 -0700
Message-ID<60F88BE2.1B1@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#558521
whodat wrote:
> 
> On 7/21/2021 12:41 PM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> 
> > Trumpophobes are screaming 'Orange Man Bad'!
> 
> The average NEVER_TRUMPER is an idiot, perhaps even a lunatic.
> 
> There is such a thing as being right for the wrong reasons.
> 
> Finding good things to say about Hitler is very much the same
> thing as finding good things to say about Donald Trump. While
> it is actually possible, the evil the man wrought is so
> overwhelming as to negate any possible good. Trump carries
> many false flags. Whoever he/she is, why are you completely
> certain about your hero(s?)


Another fauci science guy...You cannot name not one thing Aldolf Hitler has ever done bad. Name one 'not good' thing he done??


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 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#558525

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2021-07-21 18:39 -0500
Message-ID<ilrphjFsfvuU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#558522
On 7/21/2021 4:04 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> whodat wrote:
>>
>> On 7/21/2021 12:41 PM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>
>>> Trumpophobes are screaming 'Orange Man Bad'!
>>
>> The average NEVER_TRUMPER is an idiot, perhaps even a lunatic.
>>
>> There is such a thing as being right for the wrong reasons.
>>
>> Finding good things to say about Hitler is very much the same
>> thing as finding good things to say about Donald Trump. While
>> it is actually possible, the evil the man wrought is so
>> overwhelming as to negate any possible good. Trump carries
>> many false flags. Whoever he/she is, why are you completely
>> certain about your hero(s?)
> 
> 
> Another fauci science guy...You cannot name not one thing Aldolf Hitler has ever done bad. Name one 'not good' thing he done??

So finally you've come out clearly displaying your insanity.

google "Hitler's crimes" 3,410.000 hits

"During World War II, the Germans' combined armed forces
(Heer, Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe) committed systematic
war crimes, including massacres, mass rape, looting, the
exploitation of forced labor, the murder of three million
Soviet prisoners of war, and participated in the
extermination of Jews"

Under the well understood and universally accepted
"respondeat superior" doctrine, Hitler was responsible for
all the events that transpired under his command. But if you
insist on a single act in which his hand played a direct role
it was the execution of Eva Braun and himself for political
purposes.

I chose to believe you are insane, although you could just be
very very very stupid. Sometimes, as here, it is impossible to
tell the difference.

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#558526

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-07-21 17:22 -0700
Message-ID<60F8BA47.43CB@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#558525
whodat wrote:
> 
> On 7/21/2021 4:04 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > whodat wrote:
> >>
> >> On 7/21/2021 12:41 PM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> >>
> >>> Trumpophobes are screaming 'Orange Man Bad'!
> >>
> >> The average NEVER_TRUMPER is an idiot, perhaps even a lunatic.
> >>
> >> There is such a thing as being right for the wrong reasons.
> >>
> >> Finding good things to say about Hitler is very much the same
> >> thing as finding good things to say about Donald Trump. While
> >> it is actually possible, the evil the man wrought is so
> >> overwhelming as to negate any possible good. Trump carries
> >> many false flags. Whoever he/she is, why are you completely
> >> certain about your hero(s?)
> >
> >
> > Another fauci science guy...You cannot name not one thing Aldolf Hitler has ever done bad. Name one 'not good' thing he done??
> 
> So finally you've come out clearly displaying your insanity.
> 
> google "Hitler's crimes" 3,410.000 hits
> 
> "During World War II, the Germans' combined armed forces
> (Heer, Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe) committed systematic
> war crimes, including massacres, mass rape, looting, the
> exploitation of forced labor, the murder of three million
> Soviet prisoners of war, and participated in the
> extermination of Jews"
> 
> Under the well understood and universally accepted
> "respondeat superior" doctrine, Hitler was responsible for
> all the events that transpired under his command. But if you
> insist on a single act in which his hand played a direct role
> it was the execution of Eva Braun and himself for political
> purposes.
> 
> I chose to believe you are insane, although you could just be
> very very very stupid. Sometimes, as here, it is impossible to
> tell the difference.


I see whodat dat dat you couldn't think of one 'not good' thing he done so you had to look it up.



Where did you look it up?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht

WIKIPEDIA co-founder: Nobody should trust the site!


Wikipedia co-founder: I no longer trust the website I created...



whodat say who there when I say whodat


You had to look it up because you could not think of one thing Aldolf Hitler done wrong...tsk, tsk, tsk.



"During World War II, the Germans' combined armed forces..."


I said "one thing Aldolf Hitler has ever done bad.", I didn't say what did the Germans did bad..


whodat say who there when I say whodat



you're not very smart are you? and, and you hang out in a "science" newsgroup???? 


wats the vorld comin too????




whodat say whothere when I say whothere?








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 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#558536

FromJim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net>
Date2021-07-21 20:52 -0700
Message-ID<kl6nsh-3j33.ln1@gonzo.specsol.net>
In reply to#558525
In sci.physics whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
> On 7/21/2021 4:04 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> whodat wrote:
>>>
>>> On 7/21/2021 12:41 PM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>
>>>> Trumpophobes are screaming 'Orange Man Bad'!
>>>
>>> The average NEVER_TRUMPER is an idiot, perhaps even a lunatic.
>>>
>>> There is such a thing as being right for the wrong reasons.
>>>
>>> Finding good things to say about Hitler is very much the same
>>> thing as finding good things to say about Donald Trump. While
>>> it is actually possible, the evil the man wrought is so
>>> overwhelming as to negate any possible good. Trump carries
>>> many false flags. Whoever he/she is, why are you completely
>>> certain about your hero(s?)
>> 
>> 
>> Another fauci science guy...You cannot name not one thing Aldolf Hitler has ever done bad. Name one 'not good' thing he done??
> 
> So finally you've come out clearly displaying your insanity.
> 
> google "Hitler's crimes" 3,410.000 hits
> 
> "During World War II, the Germans' combined armed forces
> (Heer, Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe) committed systematic
> war crimes, including massacres, mass rape, looting, the
> exploitation of forced labor, the murder of three million
> Soviet prisoners of war, and participated in the
> extermination of Jews"
> 
> Under the well understood and universally accepted
> "respondeat superior" doctrine, Hitler was responsible for
> all the events that transpired under his command. But if you
> insist on a single act in which his hand played a direct role
> it was the execution of Eva Braun and himself for political
> purposes.
> 
> I chose to believe you are insane, although you could just be
> very very very stupid. Sometimes, as here, it is impossible to
> tell the difference.

Have you ever concidered he might be both insane and very very very
stupid?

The two are not exclusive.

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#558523

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-07-21 14:12 -0700
Message-ID<60F88DD6.76F9@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#558504
Paul Alsing wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 10:02:33 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 3:43:39 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > > ...there is only one sun in the whole entire universe.
> > >
> > > There is only one Sun, but there are uncountable other suns in the universe. Just ask a dictionary... which, of course, tells us all just what a sun is...
> > >
> > > https://www.dictionary.com/browse/sun
> > >
> > > "a star, especially one that has planets and other celestial bodies revolving around it:
> > > Many other solar systems have multiple suns, while ours has just one."
> 
> > Strange how Paul Alsing uses 'fauci science' to get around words...
> 
> Word salad...
> 
> > Any intellectual honest person knows The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System.
> 
> That is what I said. You don't understand the written word? I said "There is only one Sun..."
> 
> > https://www.google.com/search?q=define+sun
> 
> > wiki (the facuci science website) reads:
> >
> > The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun
> 
> I doubt that anyone would argue about this...
> 
> > But yous only counted 8 planets...and it's only in your own solar system.
> 
> I never mentioned anything about planets...
> 
> > Meaning...all those others stars don't have a solar system, so they are not suns, they are stars.
> 
> Thousands and thousands of other stars, others suns, have been found to have planets... and even a star without any planets can still be referenced as a sun, as per dictionary definition. The word 'sun' is embedded ion the language and is used all the time. Get over >it.

There goes another fauci science guy who sez "Thousands and thousands of other stars, others suns, have been found to have planets..."

but yet cannot show any proof of other stars with a planet/planets (or even name one) that truly exist.


I bet Paul Alsing is wearing tissues in his bra...panties on too tight.


I mean, really...they haven't even built a telescope to see that far. 


Lock up Dr. Fauci
Lock him up
Lock him up
Lock him up
Lock him up
Lock up Dr. Lie.


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 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#558542

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-07-21 22:58 -0700
Message-ID<60F9091F.5A8A@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#558523
Paul Alsing wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 2:12:24 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 10:02:33 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 3:43:39 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > ...there is only one sun in the whole entire universe.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is only one Sun, but there are uncountable other suns in the universe. Just ask a dictionary... which, of course, tells us all just what a sun is...
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.dictionary.com/browse/sun
> > > > >
> > > > > "a star, especially one that has planets and other celestial bodies revolving around it:
> > > > > Many other solar systems have multiple suns, while ours has just one."
> > >
> > > > Strange how Paul Alsing uses 'fauci science' to get around words...
> > >
> > > Word salad...
> > >
> > > > Any intellectual honest person knows The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System.
> > >
> > > That is what I said. You don't understand the written word? I said "There is only one Sun..."
> > >
> > > > https://www.google.com/search?q=define+sun
> > >
> > > > wiki (the facuci science website) reads:
> > > >
> > > > The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System.
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun
> > >
> > > I doubt that anyone would argue about this...
> > >
> > > > But yous only counted 8 planets...and it's only in your own solar system.
> > >
> > > I never mentioned anything about planets...
> > >
> > > > Meaning...all those others stars don't have a solar system, so they are not suns, they are stars.
> > >
> > > Thousands and thousands of other stars, others suns, have been found to have planets... and even a star without any planets can still be referenced as a sun, as per dictionary definition. The word 'sun' is embedded ion the language and is used all the time. Get over >it.
> 
> > There goes another fauci science guy who sez "Thousands and thousands of other stars, others suns, have been found to have planets..."
> >
> > but yet cannot show any proof of other stars with a planet/planets (or even name one) that truly exist.
> 
> Oh, I can  ame a lot more than just one...here is a list of planets external to our solar system that have names...
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exoplanets_discovered_using_the_Kepler_space_telescope
> 
> ... is this enough for you?
> 
> I'm gonna guess that you have never heard of the Kepler Mission...
> 
> https://exoplanets.nasa.gov/keplerscience/
> 
> " Kepler has proven there are more planets than stars in our galaxy — and knowing that revolutionizes our scientific understanding of our place in the cosmos."



Oh yeah, i seen those pretty pictures of...

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/kepler186f_artistconcept.jpg


and they are still using fraudlant Drake Equations to try and get past ...8 planets.


An artistconcept illustration is not a photograph of a planet...it's 'fauci science'.


It's Fake Science! 

Look, build a telescope, point it to one other star and see if you 'see' a planet...not a dot. 

Yous guys take a dot and the result is this?

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/kepler186f_artistconcept.jpg


and then you multiply it by a million????

This is 'fauci science'...


Stop taking pictures of the end of the universe and take one past the eighth planet...



If Albert Einstein was alive today he would be in jail for lying to congress.







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 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#558544

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-07-21 23:19 -0700
Message-ID<60F90DF8.3AA6@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#558542
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Paul Alsing wrote:
> >
> > On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 2:12:24 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 10:02:33 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 3:43:39 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...there is only one sun in the whole entire universe.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is only one Sun, but there are uncountable other suns in the universe. Just ask a dictionary... which, of course, tells us all just what a sun is...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.dictionary.com/browse/sun
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "a star, especially one that has planets and other celestial bodies revolving around it:
> > > > > > Many other solar systems have multiple suns, while ours has just one."
> > > >
> > > > > Strange how Paul Alsing uses 'fauci science' to get around words...
> > > >
> > > > Word salad...
> > > >
> > > > > Any intellectual honest person knows The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System.
> > > >
> > > > That is what I said. You don't understand the written word? I said "There is only one Sun..."
> > > >
> > > > > https://www.google.com/search?q=define+sun
> > > >
> > > > > wiki (the facuci science website) reads:
> > > > >
> > > > > The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System.
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun
> > > >
> > > > I doubt that anyone would argue about this...
> > > >
> > > > > But yous only counted 8 planets...and it's only in your own solar system.
> > > >
> > > > I never mentioned anything about planets...
> > > >
> > > > > Meaning...all those others stars don't have a solar system, so they are not suns, they are stars.
> > > >
> > > > Thousands and thousands of other stars, others suns, have been found to have planets... and even a star without any planets can still be referenced as a sun, as per dictionary definition. The word 'sun' is embedded ion the language and is used all the time. Get over >it.
> >
> > > There goes another fauci science guy who sez "Thousands and thousands of other stars, others suns, have been found to have planets..."
> > >
> > > but yet cannot show any proof of other stars with a planet/planets (or even name one) that truly exist.
> >
> > Oh, I can  ame a lot more than just one...here is a list of planets external to our solar system that have names...
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exoplanets_discovered_using_the_Kepler_space_telescope
> >
> > ... is this enough for you?
> >
> > I'm gonna guess that you have never heard of the Kepler Mission...
> >
> > https://exoplanets.nasa.gov/keplerscience/
> >
> > " Kepler has proven there are more planets than stars in our galaxy — and knowing that revolutionizes our scientific understanding of our place in the cosmos."
> 
> Oh yeah, i seen those pretty pictures of...
> 
> https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/kepler186f_artistconcept.jpg
> 
> and they are still using fraudlant Drake Equations to try and get past ...8 planets.
> 
> An artistconcept illustration is not a photograph of a planet...it's 'fauci science'.
> 
> It's Fake Science!
> 
> Look, build a telescope, point it to one other star and see if you 'see' a planet...not a dot.
> 
> Yous guys take a dot and the result is this?
> 
> https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/kepler186f_artistconcept.jpg
> 
> and then you multiply it by a million????
> 
> This is 'fauci science'...
> 
> Stop taking pictures of the end of the universe and take one past the eighth planet...
> 
> If Albert Einstein was alive today he would be in jail for lying to congress.
> 
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
>  to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
>  the unchallengeable.

Here is a quote about ...so-called planets:

“Kepler already told us there were billions of planets, but now we know a good chunk of those planets might be rocky and habitable. 
Though this result is far from a final value, and water on a planet’s surface is only one of many factors to support life, it’s 
extremely exciting that we calculated these worlds are this common with such high confidence and precision.”

https://www.universetoday.com/148667/based-on-kepler-data-theres-a-95-chance-of-an-earth-like-planet-within-20-light-years/


The Headlind begins: Based on Kepler Data, ...


Data???? wat those dat mean?


"Though this result is far from a final value..." wat does that mean?


"we calculated these worlds are this common..."  'we calculated'???? wat does that mean?


That means, some fauci guy got a calculator
took the number one and mutiply it by a billion. Vola, a billion planets!

I'll make it simple for yous fauci science guys...FUCK YOUR CALCULATIONS!






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 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#558545

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-07-21 23:36 -0700
Message-ID<60F911EF.1FB6@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#558544
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 2:12:24 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 10:02:33 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 3:43:39 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ...there is only one sun in the whole entire universe.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There is only one Sun, but there are uncountable other suns in the universe. Just ask a dictionary... which, of course, tells us all just what a sun is...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.dictionary.com/browse/sun
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "a star, especially one that has planets and other celestial bodies revolving around it:
> > > > > > > Many other solar systems have multiple suns, while ours has just one."
> > > > >
> > > > > > Strange how Paul Alsing uses 'fauci science' to get around words...
> > > > >
> > > > > Word salad...
> > > > >
> > > > > > Any intellectual honest person knows The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System.
> > > > >
> > > > > That is what I said. You don't understand the written word? I said "There is only one Sun..."
> > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.google.com/search?q=define+sun
> > > > >
> > > > > > wiki (the facuci science website) reads:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System.
> > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun
> > > > >
> > > > > I doubt that anyone would argue about this...
> > > > >
> > > > > > But yous only counted 8 planets...and it's only in your own solar system.
> > > > >
> > > > > I never mentioned anything about planets...
> > > > >
> > > > > > Meaning...all those others stars don't have a solar system, so they are not suns, they are stars.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thousands and thousands of other stars, others suns, have been found to have planets... and even a star without any planets can still be referenced as a sun, as per dictionary definition. The word 'sun' is embedded ion the language and is used all the time. Get over >it.
> > >
> > > > There goes another fauci science guy who sez "Thousands and thousands of other stars, others suns, have been found to have planets..."
> > > >
> > > > but yet cannot show any proof of other stars with a planet/planets (or even name one) that truly exist.
> > >
> > > Oh, I can  ame a lot more than just one...here is a list of planets external to our solar system that have names...
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exoplanets_discovered_using_the_Kepler_space_telescope
> > >
> > > ... is this enough for you?
> > >
> > > I'm gonna guess that you have never heard of the Kepler Mission...
> > >
> > > https://exoplanets.nasa.gov/keplerscience/
> > >
> > > " Kepler has proven there are more planets than stars in our galaxy — and knowing that revolutionizes our scientific understanding of our place in the cosmos."
> >
> > Oh yeah, i seen those pretty pictures of...
> >
> > https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/kepler186f_artistconcept.jpg
> >
> > and they are still using fraudlant Drake Equations to try and get past ...8 planets.
> >
> > An artistconcept illustration is not a photograph of a planet...it's 'fauci science'.
> >
> > It's Fake Science!
> >
> > Look, build a telescope, point it to one other star and see if you 'see' a planet...not a dot.
> >
> > Yous guys take a dot and the result is this?
> >
> > https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/kepler186f_artistconcept.jpg
> >
> > and then you multiply it by a million????
> >
> > This is 'fauci science'...
> >
> > Stop taking pictures of the end of the universe and take one past the eighth planet...
> >
> > If Albert Einstein was alive today he would be in jail for lying to congress.
> >
> > --
> > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> >  to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
> >  the unchallengeable.
> 
> Here is a quote about ...so-called planets:
> 
> “Kepler already told us there were billions of planets, but now we know a good chunk of those planets might be rocky and habitable.
> Though this result is far from a final value, and water on a planet’s surface is only one of many factors to support life, it’s
> extremely exciting that we calculated these worlds are this common with such high confidence and precision.”
> 
> https://www.universetoday.com/148667/based-on-kepler-data-theres-a-95-chance-of-an-earth-like-planet-within-20-light-years/
> 
> The Headlind begins: Based on Kepler Data, ...
> 
> Data???? wat those dat mean?
> 
> "Though this result is far from a final value..." wat does that mean?
> 
> "we calculated these worlds are this common..."  'we calculated'???? wat does that mean?
> 
> That means, some fauci guy got a calculator
> took the number one and mutiply it by a billion. Vola, a billion planets!
> 
> I'll make it simple for yous fauci science guys...FUCK YOUR CALCULATIONS!
> 

about calculations Kepler uses, Drake's Equations:

"The problem, of course, is that none of the terms can be known, and most cannot even be estimated. 
The only way to work the equation is to fill in with guesses. And guesses-just so we’re clear-are merely expressions of prejudice.
Nor can there be “informed guesses.” If you need to state how many planets with life choose to communicate, there is simply no way to make an informed guess. It’s simply prejudice.
As a result, the Drake equation can have any value from “billions and billions” to zero. An expression that can mean anything means nothing. 
Speaking precisely, the Drake equation is literally meaningless, and has nothing to do with science.
 I take the hard view that science involves the creation of testable hypotheses. 
The Drake equation cannot be tested and therefore SETI is not science. SETI is unquestionably a religion."








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#558569

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-07-22 13:39 -0700
Message-ID<60F9D764.2929@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#558545
Paul Alsing wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 11:36:02 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 2:12:24 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 10:02:33 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 3:43:39 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ...there is only one sun in the whole entire universe.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There is only one Sun, but there are uncountable other suns in the universe. Just ask a dictionary... which, of course, tells us all just what a sun is...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://www.dictionary.com/browse/sun
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "a star, especially one that has planets and other celestial bodies revolving around it:
> > > > > > > > > Many other solar systems have multiple suns, while ours has just one."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Strange how Paul Alsing uses 'fauci science' to get around words...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Word salad...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Any intellectual honest person knows The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That is what I said. You don't understand the written word? I said "There is only one Sun..."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://www.google.com/search?q=define+sun
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wiki (the facuci science website) reads:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System.
> > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I doubt that anyone would argue about this...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But yous only counted 8 planets...and it's only in your own solar system.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I never mentioned anything about planets...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Meaning...all those others stars don't have a solar system, so they are not suns, they are stars.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thousands and thousands of other stars, others suns, have been found to have planets... and even a star without any planets can still be referenced as a sun, as per dictionary definition. The word 'sun' is embedded ion the language and is used all the time. Get over >it.
> > > > >
> > > > > > There goes another fauci science guy who sez "Thousands and thousands of other stars, others suns, have been found to have planets..."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > but yet cannot show any proof of other stars with a planet/planets (or even name one) that truly exist.
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, I can ame a lot more than just one...here is a list of planets external to our solar system that have names...
> > > > >
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exoplanets_discovered_using_the_Kepler_space_telescope
> > > > >
> > > > > ... is this enough for you?
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm gonna guess that you have never heard of the Kepler Mission...
> > > > >
> > > > > https://exoplanets.nasa.gov/keplerscience/
> > > > >
> > > > > " Kepler has proven there are more planets than stars in our galaxy — and knowing that revolutionizes our scientific understanding of our place in the cosmos."
> > > >
> > > > Oh yeah, i seen those pretty pictures of...
> > > >
> > > > https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/kepler186f_artistconcept.jpg
> > > >
> > > > and they are still using fraudlant Drake Equations to try and get past ...8 planets.
> > > >
> > > > An artistconcept illustration is not a photograph of a planet...it's 'fauci science'.
> > > >
> > > > It's Fake Science!
> > > >
> > > > Look, build a telescope, point it to one other star and see if you 'see' a planet...not a dot.
> > > >
> > > > Yous guys take a dot and the result is this?
> > > >
> > > > https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/kepler186f_artistconcept.jpg
> > > >
> > > > and then you multiply it by a million????
> > > >
> > > > This is 'fauci science'...
> > > >
> > > > Stop taking pictures of the end of the universe and take one past the eighth planet...
> > > >
> > > > If Albert Einstein was alive today he would be in jail for lying to congress.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
> > > > the unchallengeable.
> > >
> > > Here is a quote about ...so-called planets:
> > >
> > > “Kepler already told us there were billions of planets, but now we know a good chunk of those planets might be rocky and habitable.
> > > Though this result is far from a final value, and water on a planet’s surface is only one of many factors to support life, it’s
> > > extremely exciting that we calculated these worlds are this common with such high confidence and precision.”
> > >
> > > https://www.universetoday.com/148667/based-on-kepler-data-theres-a-95-chance-of-an-earth-like-planet-within-20-light-years/
> > >
> > > The Headlind begins: Based on Kepler Data, ...
> > >
> > > Data???? wat those dat mean?
> > >
> > > "Though this result is far from a final value..." wat does that mean?
> > >
> > > "we calculated these worlds are this common..." 'we calculated'???? wat does that mean?
> > >
> > > That means, some fauci guy got a calculator
> > > took the number one and mutiply it by a billion. Vola, a billion planets!
> > >
> > > I'll make it simple for yous fauci science guys...FUCK YOUR CALCULATIONS!
> > >
> > about calculations Kepler uses, Drake's Equations:
> >
> > "The problem, of course, is that none of the terms can be known, and most cannot even be estimated.
> > The only way to work the equation is to fill in with guesses. And guesses-just so we’re clear-are merely expressions of prejudice.
> > Nor can there be “informed guesses.” If you need to state how many planets with life choose to communicate, there is simply no way to make an informed guess. It’s simply prejudice.
> > As a result, the Drake equation can have any value from “billions and billions” to zero. An expression that can mean anything means nothing.
> > Speaking precisely, the Drake equation is literally meaningless, and has nothing to do with science.
> > I take the hard view that science involves the creation of testable hypotheses.
> > The Drake equation cannot be tested and therefore SETI is not science. SETI is unquestionably a religion."
> > --
> The Drake equation was never intended to be hard science and everything you have written about it is correct. Drake came up with it essentially over lunch as an example of a way to potentially estimate the number of planets with intelligent life using best guesstimate forceach element. It is just a fun exercise that anyone can do, and come up with his own number. When it comes to being testable, it certainly is not, but the fact of the matter is that no term in the equation can be proven to be z
> 
> The only reason I responded to this post was that you called the Drake equation fraudulent, and that is just not true.
> 
> Also, it is not true that the Kepler mission used the Drake equation to make its calculations and I don't think you can prove otherwise. 


I understand yous people...if the information is not in your head then it doesn't exist anywhere else..limited intelligence they call it. Know your limits.



https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwifq6nLv_fxAhWBAp0JHTrCALQQxfQBMAJ6BAgJEAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2020%2F11%2F05%2Fscience%2Fastronomy-exoplanets-kepler.html&usg=AOvVaw1HR650WjY-flEnpnUWn8Wp



""Dr. Batalha said that young scientists in the future might yet find a way to improve the value of eta-Earth: “Until then, this will be the de facto standard.”

The value of eta-Earth is an important and hitherto unknown factor in a mathematical expression known as the Drake Equation. 
It is used by astronomers to estimate how many technological civilizations might exist in the galaxy, and that we might be able to contact by radio or other means some cosmic day.""



https://www.google.com/search?q=kepler-186f+planet+drake&sxsrf=ALeKk016_iSLqLuI10PrW1-ItBmGu63UWw:1626985228884&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiE7PykwPfxAhXBZc0KHRJVCQYQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1920&bih=1067







-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#558573

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-07-22 23:15 -0700
Message-ID<60FA5E71.1EAD@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#558569
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Paul Alsing wrote:
> >
> > On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 11:36:02 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 2:12:24 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 10:02:33 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 3:43:39 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ...there is only one sun in the whole entire universe.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > There is only one Sun, but there are uncountable other suns in the universe. Just ask a dictionary... which, of course, tells us all just what a sun is...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://www.dictionary.com/browse/sun
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "a star, especially one that has planets and other celestial bodies revolving around it:
> > > > > > > > > > Many other solar systems have multiple suns, while ours has just one."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Strange how Paul Alsing uses 'fauci science' to get around words...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Word salad...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Any intellectual honest person knows The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That is what I said. You don't understand the written word? I said "There is only one Sun..."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://www.google.com/search?q=define+sun
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > wiki (the facuci science website) reads:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System.
> > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I doubt that anyone would argue about this...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But yous only counted 8 planets...and it's only in your own solar system.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I never mentioned anything about planets...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Meaning...all those others stars don't have a solar system, so they are not suns, they are stars.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thousands and thousands of other stars, others suns, have been found to have planets... and even a star without any planets can still be referenced as a sun, as per dictionary definition. The word 'sun' is embedded ion the language and is used all the time. Get over >it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > There goes another fauci science guy who sez "Thousands and thousands of other stars, others suns, have been found to have planets..."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > but yet cannot show any proof of other stars with a planet/planets (or even name one) that truly exist.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh, I can ame a lot more than just one...here is a list of planets external to our solar system that have names...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exoplanets_discovered_using_the_Kepler_space_telescope
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ... is this enough for you?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm gonna guess that you have never heard of the Kepler Mission...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://exoplanets.nasa.gov/keplerscience/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > " Kepler has proven there are more planets than stars in our galaxy — and knowing that revolutionizes our scientific understanding of our place in the cosmos."
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh yeah, i seen those pretty pictures of...
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/kepler186f_artistconcept.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > and they are still using fraudlant Drake Equations to try and get past ...8 planets.
> > > > >
> > > > > An artistconcept illustration is not a photograph of a planet...it's 'fauci science'.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's Fake Science!
> > > > >
> > > > > Look, build a telescope, point it to one other star and see if you 'see' a planet...not a dot.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yous guys take a dot and the result is this?
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/kepler186f_artistconcept.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > and then you multiply it by a million????
> > > > >
> > > > > This is 'fauci science'...
> > > > >
> > > > > Stop taking pictures of the end of the universe and take one past the eighth planet...
> > > > >
> > > > > If Albert Einstein was alive today he would be in jail for lying to congress.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
> > > > > the unchallengeable.
> > > >
> > > > Here is a quote about ...so-called planets:
> > > >
> > > > “Kepler already told us there were billions of planets, but now we know a good chunk of those planets might be rocky and habitable.
> > > > Though this result is far from a final value, and water on a planet’s surface is only one of many factors to support life, it’s
> > > > extremely exciting that we calculated these worlds are this common with such high confidence and precision.”
> > > >
> > > > https://www.universetoday.com/148667/based-on-kepler-data-theres-a-95-chance-of-an-earth-like-planet-within-20-light-years/
> > > >
> > > > The Headlind begins: Based on Kepler Data, ...
> > > >
> > > > Data???? wat those dat mean?
> > > >
> > > > "Though this result is far from a final value..." wat does that mean?
> > > >
> > > > "we calculated these worlds are this common..." 'we calculated'???? wat does that mean?
> > > >
> > > > That means, some fauci guy got a calculator
> > > > took the number one and mutiply it by a billion. Vola, a billion planets!
> > > >
> > > > I'll make it simple for yous fauci science guys...FUCK YOUR CALCULATIONS!
> > > >
> > > about calculations Kepler uses, Drake's Equations:
> > >
> > > "The problem, of course, is that none of the terms can be known, and most cannot even be estimated.
> > > The only way to work the equation is to fill in with guesses. And guesses-just so we’re clear-are merely expressions of prejudice.
> > > Nor can there be “informed guesses.” If you need to state how many planets with life choose to communicate, there is simply no way to make an informed guess. It’s simply prejudice.
> > > As a result, the Drake equation can have any value from “billions and billions” to zero. An expression that can mean anything means nothing.
> > > Speaking precisely, the Drake equation is literally meaningless, and has nothing to do with science.
> > > I take the hard view that science involves the creation of testable hypotheses.
> > > The Drake equation cannot be tested and therefore SETI is not science. SETI is unquestionably a religion."
> > > --
> > The Drake equation was never intended to be hard science and everything you have written about it is correct. Drake came up with it essentially over lunch as an example of a way to potentially estimate the number of planets with intelligent life using best guesstimate forceach element. It is just a fun exercise that anyone can do, and come up with his own number. When it comes to being testable, it certainly is not, but the fact of the matter is that no term in the equation can be proven to be
> >
> > The only reason I responded to this post was that you called the Drake equation fraudulent, and that is just not true.
> >
> > Also, it is not true that the Kepler mission used the Drake equation to make its calculations and I don't think you can prove otherwise.
> 
> I understand yous people...if the information is not in your head then it doesn't exist anywhere else..limited intelligence they call it. Know your limits.
> 
> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwifq6nLv_fxAhWBAp0JHTrCALQQxfQBMAJ6BAgJEAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2020%2F11%2F05%2Fscience%2Fastronomy-exoplanets-kepler.html&usg=AOvVaw1HR650WjY-flEnpnUWn8Wp
> 
> ""Dr. Batalha said that young scientists in the future might yet find a way to improve the value of eta-Earth: “Until then, this will be the de facto standard.”
> 
> The value of eta-Earth is an important and hitherto unknown factor in a mathematical expression known as the Drake Equation.
> It is used by astronomers to estimate how many technological civilizations might exist in the galaxy, and that we might be able to contact by radio or other means some cosmic day.""
> 
> https://www.google.com/search?q=kepler-186f+planet+drake&sxsrf=ALeKk016_iSLqLuI10PrW1-ItBmGu63UWw:1626985228884&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiE7PykwPfxAhXBZc0KHRJVCQYQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1920&bih=1067


Now I'm going to point out exactly where the fraud exist in Drake's Equation.


n =

Drake put in a value for n =

and that value he used is fraud.

Look up what number he put for n =

and you will see the fraud.





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 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#558576

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
Date2021-07-23 17:22 +1000
Message-ID<ilv90pFjj72U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#558573
On 23-Jul-21 4:15 pm, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
>>
>> Paul Alsing wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 11:36:02 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul Alsing wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 2:12:24 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>> Paul Alsing wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 10:02:33 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Paul Alsing wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 3:43:39 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...there is only one sun in the whole entire universe.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is only one Sun, but there are uncountable other suns in the universe. Just ask a dictionary... which, of course, tells us all just what a sun is...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.dictionary.com/browse/sun
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "a star, especially one that has planets and other celestial bodies revolving around it:
>>>>>>>>>>> Many other solar systems have multiple suns, while ours has just one."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Strange how Paul Alsing uses 'fauci science' to get around words...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Word salad...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Any intellectual honest person knows The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is what I said. You don't understand the written word? I said "There is only one Sun..."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=define+sun
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wiki (the facuci science website) reads:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System.
>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I doubt that anyone would argue about this...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But yous only counted 8 planets...and it's only in your own solar system.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I never mentioned anything about planets...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Meaning...all those others stars don't have a solar system, so they are not suns, they are stars.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thousands and thousands of other stars, others suns, have been found to have planets... and even a star without any planets can still be referenced as a sun, as per dictionary definition. The word 'sun' is embedded ion the language and is used all the time. Get over >it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There goes another fauci science guy who sez "Thousands and thousands of other stars, others suns, have been found to have planets..."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but yet cannot show any proof of other stars with a planet/planets (or even name one) that truly exist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, I can ame a lot more than just one...here is a list of planets external to our solar system that have names...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exoplanets_discovered_using_the_Kepler_space_telescope
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ... is this enough for you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm gonna guess that you have never heard of the Kepler Mission...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://exoplanets.nasa.gov/keplerscience/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> " Kepler has proven there are more planets than stars in our galaxy — and knowing that revolutionizes our scientific understanding of our place in the cosmos."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh yeah, i seen those pretty pictures of...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/kepler186f_artistconcept.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and they are still using fraudlant Drake Equations to try and get past ...8 planets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An artistconcept illustration is not a photograph of a planet...it's 'fauci science'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's Fake Science!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Look, build a telescope, point it to one other star and see if you 'see' a planet...not a dot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yous guys take a dot and the result is this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/kepler186f_artistconcept.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and then you multiply it by a million????
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is 'fauci science'...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stop taking pictures of the end of the universe and take one past the eighth planet...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If Albert Einstein was alive today he would be in jail for lying to congress.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
>>>>>> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
>>>>>> the unchallengeable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a quote about ...so-called planets:
>>>>>
>>>>> “Kepler already told us there were billions of planets, but now we know a good chunk of those planets might be rocky and habitable.
>>>>> Though this result is far from a final value, and water on a planet’s surface is only one of many factors to support life, it’s
>>>>> extremely exciting that we calculated these worlds are this common with such high confidence and precision.”
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.universetoday.com/148667/based-on-kepler-data-theres-a-95-chance-of-an-earth-like-planet-within-20-light-years/
>>>>>
>>>>> The Headlind begins: Based on Kepler Data, ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Data???? wat those dat mean?
>>>>>
>>>>> "Though this result is far from a final value..." wat does that mean?
>>>>>
>>>>> "we calculated these worlds are this common..." 'we calculated'???? wat does that mean?
>>>>>
>>>>> That means, some fauci guy got a calculator
>>>>> took the number one and mutiply it by a billion. Vola, a billion planets!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll make it simple for yous fauci science guys...FUCK YOUR CALCULATIONS!
>>>>>
>>>> about calculations Kepler uses, Drake's Equations:
>>>>
>>>> "The problem, of course, is that none of the terms can be known, and most cannot even be estimated.
>>>> The only way to work the equation is to fill in with guesses. And guesses-just so we’re clear-are merely expressions of prejudice.
>>>> Nor can there be “informed guesses.” If you need to state how many planets with life choose to communicate, there is simply no way to make an informed guess. It’s simply prejudice.
>>>> As a result, the Drake equation can have any value from “billions and billions” to zero. An expression that can mean anything means nothing.
>>>> Speaking precisely, the Drake equation is literally meaningless, and has nothing to do with science.
>>>> I take the hard view that science involves the creation of testable hypotheses.
>>>> The Drake equation cannot be tested and therefore SETI is not science. SETI is unquestionably a religion."
>>>> --
>>> The Drake equation was never intended to be hard science and everything you have written about it is correct. Drake came up with it essentially over lunch as an example of a way to potentially estimate the number of planets with intelligent life using best guesstimate forceach element. It is just a fun exercise that anyone can do, and come up with his own number. When it comes to being testable, it certainly is not, but the fact of the matter is that no term in the equation can be proven to be
>>>
>>> The only reason I responded to this post was that you called the Drake equation fraudulent, and that is just not true.
>>>
>>> Also, it is not true that the Kepler mission used the Drake equation to make its calculations and I don't think you can prove otherwise.
>>
>> I understand yous people...if the information is not in your head then it doesn't exist anywhere else..limited intelligence they call it. Know your limits.
>>
>> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwifq6nLv_fxAhWBAp0JHTrCALQQxfQBMAJ6BAgJEAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2020%2F11%2F05%2Fscience%2Fastronomy-exoplanets-kepler.html&usg=AOvVaw1HR650WjY-flEnpnUWn8Wp
>>
>> ""Dr. Batalha said that young scientists in the future might yet find a way to improve the value of eta-Earth: “Until then, this will be the de facto standard.”
>>
>> The value of eta-Earth is an important and hitherto unknown factor in a mathematical expression known as the Drake Equation.
>> It is used by astronomers to estimate how many technological civilizations might exist in the galaxy, and that we might be able to contact by radio or other means some cosmic day.""
>>
>> https://www.google.com/search?q=kepler-186f+planet+drake&sxsrf=ALeKk016_iSLqLuI10PrW1-ItBmGu63UWw:1626985228884&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiE7PykwPfxAhXBZc0KHRJVCQYQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1920&bih=1067
> 
> 
> Now I'm going to point out exactly where the fraud exist in Drake's Equation.
> 
> 
> n =
> 
> Drake put in a value for n =
> 
> and that value he used is fraud.
> 
> Look up what number he put for n =
> 
> and you will see the fraud.




Drake's equation is useless anyway, because we have absolutely no idea 
how likely it is that life will evolve when conditions are suitable. It 
may be pretty much inevitable, or Earth may be a truly freak occurrence 
that has happened nowhere else in the observable universe.

Until we have some handle on that, Drake's equation is nothing more than 
a curiosity - if that.

Sylvia.

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#558589

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-07-23 08:43 -0700
Message-ID<60FAE39A.1FA3@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#558573
Paul Alsing wrote:
> 
> > On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 11:15:05 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > > Now I'm going to point out exactly where the fraud exist in Drake's Equation.
> > >
> > >
> > > n =
> > >
> > > Drake put in a value for n =
> > >
> > > and that value he used is fraud.
> > >
> > > Look up what number he put for n =
> > >
> > > and you will see the fraud.
> 
> Now you are moving the goalposts. 


I did not move the goalpost. I simply responded to what you wrote:

"The only reason I responded to this post was that you called the Drake equation fraudulent, and that is just not true." --Paul Alsing





> 
> "The problem, of course, is that none of the terms can be known, and most cannot even be estimated.
> The only way to work the equation is to fill in with guesses. And guesses-just so we’re clear-are merely expressions of prejudice."






> 
> And this is true. To work the Drake Equation you need to make a guess for each term in the equation, and a guess is not a fraud. A guess is what is *required* in order to generate an answer!



You simply don't understand Drake and his Equation. 



I wrote: "Now I'm going to point out *exactly* where the fraud exist in Drake's Equation."


n =

Drake put in a value for n =

and that value he used is fraud.

Look up what number he put for n =

and you will see the fraud.


The value Drake put in was not a "guess" , it was intentional fraudulent.



But you don't know what that value is because you didn't bother to 'look it up'. You're just making uninformed, off-the-cuff statements.


It's obvious to everyone here...


What is the value that Drake used in n = ???? 









-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#558608

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-07-23 13:20 -0700
Message-ID<60FB2474.6338@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#558589
Paul Alsing wrote:
> 
> On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 8:43:15 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 11:15:05 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Now I'm going to point out exactly where the fraud exist in Drake's Equation.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > n =
> > > > >
> > > > > Drake put in a value for n =
> > > > >
> > > > > and that value he used is fraud.
> > > > >
> > > > > Look up what number he put for n =
> > > > >
> > > > > and you will see the fraud.
> > >
> > > Now you are moving the goalposts.
> > I did not move the goalpost. I simply responded to what you wrote:
> >
> > "The only reason I responded to this post was that you called the Drake equation fraudulent, and that is just not true." --Paul Alsing
> > >
> > > "The problem, of course, is that none of the terms can be known, and most cannot even be estimated.
> > > The only way to work the equation is to fill in with guesses. And guesses-just so we’re clear-are merely expressions of prejudice."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > And this is true. To work the Drake Equation you need to make a guess for each term in the equation, and a guess is not a fraud. A guess is what is *required* in order to generate an answer!
> 
> > You simply don't understand Drake and his Equation.
> >
> >
> >
> > I wrote: "Now I'm going to point out *exactly* where the fraud exist in Drake's Equation."
> > n =
> >
> > Drake put in a value for n =
> >
> > and that value he used is fraud.
> >
> > Look up what number he put for n =
> >
> > and you will see the fraud.
> > The value Drake put in was not a "guess" , it was intentional fraudulent.
> >
> >
> >
> > But you don't know what that value is because you didn't bother to 'look it up'. You're just making uninformed, off-the-cuff statements.
> >
> >
> > It's obvious to everyone here...
> >
> >
> > What is the value that Drake used in n = ????
> 
> All you are doing here is confirming that you don't know much about math.
> 
> The Drake equation is:
> 
> N = (R*)(fp)(ne)(fl)(fi)(fc)(L)
> 
> where:
> 
> N = the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which communication might be possible (i.e. which are on our current past light cone);
> and
> 
> R∗ = the average rate of star formation in our galaxy
> fp = the fraction of those stars that have planets
> ne = the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets
> fl = the fraction of planets that could support life that actually develop life at some point
> fi = the fraction of planets with life that actually go on to develop intelligent life (civilizations)
> fc = the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space
> L = the length of time for which such civilizations release detectable signals into space
> 
> N is not a guessed number, N is the answer! DRake did not use any number for N!


The number Drake gave for fp =  was 0.5

(you're not suppose to know that i guess)


What number did Drake give for n = ?


(you're not suppose to know that i guess)

(everyone is trying to hide Drake's original inputs cause they know it is a fraud.)


( I  forgot to warn you it might be very difficult for you to find it, you have to get pass the coverups of Drake's fraud)


and you posted the new user edited versions of Drake's original version.


(you're not suppose to see his original version because...it is a fraud.)


(I forgot to warn you it might be very difficult for you to find Drake's original equation and his inputs  because others are trying to erase it from the internet)

cancel culture been around a long time...



Okay, I'll give you a hint of What number did Drake give for n = ?


multible choice


a) 0

b) 1

c) 2

d) 3

Now, in order for you to understand the number Drake gave, you need to understand
what n = means originally in Drake's real Equations...


n =  in Drake's original equation, it stands for the number of planets in a star system able to support Life.



So, which number did Drake picked? 0, 1, 2, or 3 ?









-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#558615

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-07-23 15:58 -0700
Message-ID<60FB4989.14C8@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#558608
Paul Alsing wrote:
> 
> On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > >
> > > On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 8:43:15 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 11:15:05 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now I'm going to point out exactly where the fraud exist in Drake's Equation.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > n =
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Drake put in a value for n =
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > and that value he used is fraud.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Look up what number he put for n =
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > and you will see the fraud.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now you are moving the goalposts.
> > > > I did not move the goalpost. I simply responded to what you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "The only reason I responded to this post was that you called the Drake equation fraudulent, and that is just not true." --Paul Alsing
> > > > >
> > > > > "The problem, of course, is that none of the terms can be known, and most cannot even be estimated.
> > > > > The only way to work the equation is to fill in with guesses. And guesses-just so we’re clear-are merely expressions of prejudice."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > And this is true. To work the Drake Equation you need to make a guess for each term in the equation, and a guess is not a fraud. A guess is what is *required* in order to generate an answer!
> > >
> > > > You simply don't understand Drake and his Equation.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I wrote: "Now I'm going to point out *exactly* where the fraud exist in Drake's Equation."
> > > > n =
> > > >
> > > > Drake put in a value for n =
> > > >
> > > > and that value he used is fraud.
> > > >
> > > > Look up what number he put for n =
> > > >
> > > > and you will see the fraud.
> > > > The value Drake put in was not a "guess" , it was intentional fraudulent.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > But you don't know what that value is because you didn't bother to 'look it up'. You're just making uninformed, off-the-cuff statements.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It's obvious to everyone here...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What is the value that Drake used in n = ????
> > >
> > > All you are doing here is confirming that you don't know much about math.
> > >
> > > The Drake equation is:
> > >
> > > N = (R*)(fp)(ne)(fl)(fi)(fc)(L)
> > >
> > > where:
> > >
> > > N = the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which communication might be possible (i.e. which are on our current past light cone);
> > > and
> > >
> > > R∗ = the average rate of star formation in our galaxy
> > > fp = the fraction of those stars that have planets
> > > ne = the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets
> > > fl = the fraction of planets that could support life that actually develop life at some point
> > > fi = the fraction of planets with life that actually go on to develop intelligent life (civilizations)
> > > fc = the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space
> > > L = the length of time for which such civilizations release detectable signals into space
> > >
> > > N is not a guessed number, N is the answer! DRake did not use any number for N!
> 
> > The number Drake gave for fp = was 0.5
> >
> > (you're not suppose to know that i guess)
> 
> It does not matter what number you pick for fp or for any term, that is the whole point!
> >
> >
> > What number did Drake give for n = ?
> >
> >
> > (you're not suppose to know that i guess)
> >
> > (everyone is trying to hide Drake's original inputs cause they know it is a fraud.)
> 
> Here is the original Drake Equation, from 1960...
> 
> https://www.astro.umd.edu/~miller/teaching/astr380f09/lecture20.pdf
> 
> ... and it is exactly what I referenced aboce.



I was was specifically requesting Drake's original inputs..the value he gave n.



> >
> >
> > ( I forgot to warn you it might be very difficult for you to find it, you have to get pass the coverups of Drake's fraud)
> >
> >
> > and you posted the new user edited versions of Drake's original version.
> >
> >
> > (you're not suppose to see his original version because...it is a fraud.)
> >
> >
> > (I forgot to warn you it might be very difficult for you to find Drake's original equation and his inputs because others are trying to erase it from the internet)
> >
> > cancel culture been around a long time...
> 
> I say you are making this all up. Post a link to the equation you are referencing if you can.
> >
> >
> >
> > Okay, I'll give you a hint of What number did Drake give for n = ?
> >
> >
> > multible choice
> >
> >
> > a) 0
> >
> > b) 1
> >
> > c) 2
> >
> > d) 3
> >
> > Now, in order for you to understand the number Drake gave, you need to understand
> > what n = means originally in Drake's real Equations...
> >
> >
> > n = in Drake's original equation, it stands for the number of planets in a star system able to support Life.
> 
> Well, that is just ne in the original equation. you are very confused. Been drinking today?



the e next to the n stands for earth.



> >
> >
> >
> > So, which number did Drake picked? 0, 1, 2, or 3 ?


What number did Drake give for n = ? 

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#558618

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-07-23 20:50 -0700
Message-ID<60FB8DFD.79EE@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#558615
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Paul Alsing wrote:
> >
> > On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 8:43:15 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 11:15:05 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Now I'm going to point out exactly where the fraud exist in Drake's Equation.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > n =
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Drake put in a value for n =
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > and that value he used is fraud.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Look up what number he put for n =
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > and you will see the fraud.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now you are moving the goalposts.
> > > > > I did not move the goalpost. I simply responded to what you wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "The only reason I responded to this post was that you called the Drake equation fraudulent, and that is just not true." --Paul Alsing
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The problem, of course, is that none of the terms can be known, and most cannot even be estimated.
> > > > > > The only way to work the equation is to fill in with guesses. And guesses-just so we’re clear-are merely expressions of prejudice."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And this is true. To work the Drake Equation you need to make a guess for each term in the equation, and a guess is not a fraud. A guess is what is *required* in order to generate an answer!
> > > >
> > > > > You simply don't understand Drake and his Equation.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I wrote: "Now I'm going to point out *exactly* where the fraud exist in Drake's Equation."
> > > > > n =
> > > > >
> > > > > Drake put in a value for n =
> > > > >
> > > > > and that value he used is fraud.
> > > > >
> > > > > Look up what number he put for n =
> > > > >
> > > > > and you will see the fraud.
> > > > > The value Drake put in was not a "guess" , it was intentional fraudulent.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > But you don't know what that value is because you didn't bother to 'look it up'. You're just making uninformed, off-the-cuff statements.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It's obvious to everyone here...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What is the value that Drake used in n = ????
> > > >
> > > > All you are doing here is confirming that you don't know much about math.
> > > >
> > > > The Drake equation is:
> > > >
> > > > N = (R*)(fp)(ne)(fl)(fi)(fc)(L)
> > > >
> > > > where:
> > > >
> > > > N = the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which communication might be possible (i.e. which are on our current past light cone);
> > > > and
> > > >
> > > > R∗ = the average rate of star formation in our galaxy
> > > > fp = the fraction of those stars that have planets
> > > > ne = the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets
> > > > fl = the fraction of planets that could support life that actually develop life at some point
> > > > fi = the fraction of planets with life that actually go on to develop intelligent life (civilizations)
> > > > fc = the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space
> > > > L = the length of time for which such civilizations release detectable signals into space
> > > >
> > > > N is not a guessed number, N is the answer! DRake did not use any number for N!
> >
> > > The number Drake gave for fp = was 0.5
> > >
> > > (you're not suppose to know that i guess)
> >
> > It does not matter what number you pick for fp or for any term, that is the whole point!
> > >
> > >
> > > What number did Drake give for n = ?
> > >
> > >
> > > (you're not suppose to know that i guess)
> > >
> > > (everyone is trying to hide Drake's original inputs cause they know it is a fraud.)
> >
> > Here is the original Drake Equation, from 1960...
> >
> > https://www.astro.umd.edu/~miller/teaching/astr380f09/lecture20.pdf
> >
> > ... and it is exactly what I referenced aboce.
> 
> I was was specifically requesting Drake's original inputs..the value he gave n.
> 
> > >
> > >
> > > ( I forgot to warn you it might be very difficult for you to find it, you have to get pass the coverups of Drake's fraud)
> > >
> > >
> > > and you posted the new user edited versions of Drake's original version.
> > >
> > >
> > > (you're not suppose to see his original version because...it is a fraud.)
> > >
> > >
> > > (I forgot to warn you it might be very difficult for you to find Drake's original equation and his inputs because others are trying to erase it from the internet)
> > >
> > > cancel culture been around a long time...
> >
> > I say you are making this all up. Post a link to the equation you are referencing if you can.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, I'll give you a hint of What number did Drake give for n = ?
> > >
> > >
> > > multible choice
> > >
> > >
> > > a) 0
> > >
> > > b) 1
> > >
> > > c) 2
> > >
> > > d) 3
> > >
> > > Now, in order for you to understand the number Drake gave, you need to understand
> > > what n = means originally in Drake's real Equations...
> > >
> > >
> > > n = in Drake's original equation, it stands for the number of planets in a star system able to support Life.
> >
> > Well, that is just ne in the original equation. you are very confused. Been drinking today?


I've been using the lowercase n, and you were using the uppercase N .




The Drake equation defines a “civilization” as a species possessing radiotelescopes. By this definition, civilization did not appear on Earth until the 1930s. 


> 
> the e next to the n stands for earth.
> 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So, which number did Drake picked? 0, 1, 2, or 3 ?
> 
> What number did Drake give for n = ?
> 
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
>  to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
>  the unchallengeable.








-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#558653

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-07-24 19:11 -0700
Message-ID<60FCC84A.4FC4@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#558618
Paul Alsing wrote:
> 
> On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 8:49:49 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> > I've been using the lowercase n, and you were using the uppercase N .
> 
> That's absurd. There is only 1 "N" or "n" in the equation, take your choice, and it represents the answer. Are you sure you haven't been drinking?
> 
> > The Drake equation defines a “civilization” as a species possessing radiotelescopes. By this definition, civilization did not appear on Earth until the 1930s.
> 
> Here is what the original paper s ays about "L"...
> 
> "The communicative lifetime L
> Our last factor is the duration during which a communicative civilization would communicate. This is affected by a number of things. It could be that aggression is an inevitable
> trait and that it just as inevitably leads to destruction that, if not total, severely limits the
> time that civilizations can let their existence be known. It could be that even for stable
> advanced civilizations they don’t talk much; for example, note that cable television does not
> broadcast signals into space, whereas ordinary TV does. On the other hand, perhaps most
> advanced species have very extended lifetimes, and that they communicate actively all the
> while.
> With all this in mind, and given that we have had this capability for around 50 years, I
> could imagine L being anywhere from decades to billions of years. What is your best guess?"
> 
> So, it does not mention "radio telescopes" at all, you just made that up. You are guilty of splitting hairs. It does not really matter how you want to define "civilization", use whatever definition you like. It makes no difference whatsoever. It is just a guess or > estimate in any case. The Drake Equation is just a fun exercise, not a life-or-death combat, and all the 'rules' are loosey-goosey and your guess is not particularly important at all, you will still get an answer, and it will not be a


You have a pattern, Everytime you show you don't know somehing you
believe people are making it up.   

> 
> > > the e next to the n stands for earth.
> 
> No, the ne term means "habitable planets that are Earth-like". Again, you should read the original Drake Equation paper which I referenced earlier.


e is a postcript.





> 
> > > > > So, which number did Drake picked? 0, 1, 2, or 3 ?
> 
> You sure are dense. N or n (take your pick) stands for the answer... and zero is not a valid guess in any case. If you think differently, please provide a reference.


I gave you a multible choice of four, 0, 1, 2, or 3 ? and you're working
your way up from....zero???? You're getting warm...try again!  


There are children that know the answer to this question...did you left
back in the second grade???

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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