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Re: How many planets are there?

Message-ID <60FB8DFD.79EE@ix.netcom.com> (permalink)
Date 2021-07-23 20:50 -0700
From The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: How many planets are there?
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The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Paul Alsing wrote:
> >
> > On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 8:43:15 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 11:15:05 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Now I'm going to point out exactly where the fraud exist in Drake's Equation.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > n =
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Drake put in a value for n =
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > and that value he used is fraud.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Look up what number he put for n =
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > and you will see the fraud.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now you are moving the goalposts.
> > > > > I did not move the goalpost. I simply responded to what you wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "The only reason I responded to this post was that you called the Drake equation fraudulent, and that is just not true." --Paul Alsing
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The problem, of course, is that none of the terms can be known, and most cannot even be estimated.
> > > > > > The only way to work the equation is to fill in with guesses. And guesses-just so we’re clear-are merely expressions of prejudice."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And this is true. To work the Drake Equation you need to make a guess for each term in the equation, and a guess is not a fraud. A guess is what is *required* in order to generate an answer!
> > > >
> > > > > You simply don't understand Drake and his Equation.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I wrote: "Now I'm going to point out *exactly* where the fraud exist in Drake's Equation."
> > > > > n =
> > > > >
> > > > > Drake put in a value for n =
> > > > >
> > > > > and that value he used is fraud.
> > > > >
> > > > > Look up what number he put for n =
> > > > >
> > > > > and you will see the fraud.
> > > > > The value Drake put in was not a "guess" , it was intentional fraudulent.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > But you don't know what that value is because you didn't bother to 'look it up'. You're just making uninformed, off-the-cuff statements.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It's obvious to everyone here...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What is the value that Drake used in n = ????
> > > >
> > > > All you are doing here is confirming that you don't know much about math.
> > > >
> > > > The Drake equation is:
> > > >
> > > > N = (R*)(fp)(ne)(fl)(fi)(fc)(L)
> > > >
> > > > where:
> > > >
> > > > N = the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which communication might be possible (i.e. which are on our current past light cone);
> > > > and
> > > >
> > > > R∗ = the average rate of star formation in our galaxy
> > > > fp = the fraction of those stars that have planets
> > > > ne = the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets
> > > > fl = the fraction of planets that could support life that actually develop life at some point
> > > > fi = the fraction of planets with life that actually go on to develop intelligent life (civilizations)
> > > > fc = the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space
> > > > L = the length of time for which such civilizations release detectable signals into space
> > > >
> > > > N is not a guessed number, N is the answer! DRake did not use any number for N!
> >
> > > The number Drake gave for fp = was 0.5
> > >
> > > (you're not suppose to know that i guess)
> >
> > It does not matter what number you pick for fp or for any term, that is the whole point!
> > >
> > >
> > > What number did Drake give for n = ?
> > >
> > >
> > > (you're not suppose to know that i guess)
> > >
> > > (everyone is trying to hide Drake's original inputs cause they know it is a fraud.)
> >
> > Here is the original Drake Equation, from 1960...
> >
> > https://www.astro.umd.edu/~miller/teaching/astr380f09/lecture20.pdf
> >
> > ... and it is exactly what I referenced aboce.
> 
> I was was specifically requesting Drake's original inputs..the value he gave n.
> 
> > >
> > >
> > > ( I forgot to warn you it might be very difficult for you to find it, you have to get pass the coverups of Drake's fraud)
> > >
> > >
> > > and you posted the new user edited versions of Drake's original version.
> > >
> > >
> > > (you're not suppose to see his original version because...it is a fraud.)
> > >
> > >
> > > (I forgot to warn you it might be very difficult for you to find Drake's original equation and his inputs because others are trying to erase it from the internet)
> > >
> > > cancel culture been around a long time...
> >
> > I say you are making this all up. Post a link to the equation you are referencing if you can.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, I'll give you a hint of What number did Drake give for n = ?
> > >
> > >
> > > multible choice
> > >
> > >
> > > a) 0
> > >
> > > b) 1
> > >
> > > c) 2
> > >
> > > d) 3
> > >
> > > Now, in order for you to understand the number Drake gave, you need to understand
> > > what n = means originally in Drake's real Equations...
> > >
> > >
> > > n = in Drake's original equation, it stands for the number of planets in a star system able to support Life.
> >
> > Well, that is just ne in the original equation. you are very confused. Been drinking today?


I've been using the lowercase n, and you were using the uppercase N .




The Drake equation defines a “civilization” as a species possessing radiotelescopes. By this definition, civilization did not appear on Earth until the 1930s. 


> 
> the e next to the n stands for earth.
> 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So, which number did Drake picked? 0, 1, 2, or 3 ?
> 
> What number did Drake give for n = ?
> 
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
>  to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
>  the unchallengeable.








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