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Re: local time

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Subject Re: local time
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On 8/2/2021 12:36 PM, Ken Seto wrote:
> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:48:02 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 8/2/2021 11:28 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2021 7:07 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time....however, there is no clock
>>>>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
>>>>>>>>> absolute time in different frames. A clock second in different frame
>>>>>>>>> will represent a different amount of absolute time. That’s why clocks
>>>>>>>>> in different frames will accumulate a different amount of clock time
>>>>>>>>> in different frames.
>>>>>>>> Stupid Ken, why do you make up garbage assertions like that and pretend
>>>>>>>> that they are true?
>>>>>>> Stupid moron Mike, that’s how the GPS operates. Gee you are stupid no
>>>>>>> wonder souname is Moron_y.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, Ken, that is not how the GPS operates. How it operates is fully
>>>>>> described in its publicly available system documentation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have elected to not read any of that documentation, and instead just
>>>>>> decided to try to guess how it works, using your common sense. Of course,
>>>>>> guessing how something works rather than reading about how it actually
>>>>>> works it’s how the GPS operayess not something that someone with good
>>>>>> common sense would do.
>>>>>>
>>>>> SR
>>>>> That’s how the GPS operates. They offset the GPS before launch by making
>>>>> its clock second to have 4,4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation. This
>>>>> makes the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of
>>>>> a ground clock second and thus the GPS and the ground clock are in synch
>>>>> in terms of absolute time.
>>>>>
>>>> No, Ken that is not what the offset is for. What it is for is discussed in
>>>> the documentation. Don’t guess.
>>>
>>> That’s exactly what it’s for. They invented different explanations to avoid in conflict with SR/GR.
>>>
>> You lie, Stupid Ken. Why do you lie?
>> The explanation is right in the documentation and it explicitly
>> references GR as the reason. There is no mention of any "redefined GPS
>> second" anywhere. No such thing exists. There is ONE second used in
>> science with an explicit definition, there is no “redefinition" of it.
> 
> Stupid moron Mike, GR tell them how much to...

So now you claim GR is correct so your Muddle Mechanics is wrong?

> ...redefine the GPS second so that the passage of a redefined GPS second is corresponded to the passage of a ground clock second.

...but you still don't quite understand GR?  Show me where Einstein or 
anyone else talked about redefined seconds, Stupid Ken.  A second is a 
second is a second, there are no "redefined seconds".

>> Why would it just so happen that the GR prediction just happens to match
>> your “redefined second" garbage?
>   stupid moron Mike, the GR prediction tell them

so you DO claim GR is correct.  Time to scrap your Muddle Mechanics!
> 
>> Why did the first GPS prototype happen
>> to use the standard timebase which didn't work before switching to the
>> GR predicted version? Why do you refuse to read the public documentation?

No answer, Stupid Ken?

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