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Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms
Date 2025-02-06 08:27 +0100
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Am Mittwoch000005, 05.02.2025 um 23:51 schrieb rhertz:
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>> See:
>> https://paulba.no/paper/Electrodynamics.pdf
>> Read §3
>>   Theory of the Transformation of Co-ordinates and
>>   Times from a Stationary System to another System in
>>   Uniform Motion of Translation Relatively to the Former
>>
>> On the first page (page 5) Einstein defines the coordinate systems.
>> The "stationary system"  K(t,x,y,z) coordinates are Latin letters
>> The "moving system"      k(τ,ξ,η,ζ) coordinates are Greek letters
>>
>> So the Galilean transform is: ξ = x - vt

Sure, but that wasn't what Einstein wrote.
> 
> NO, innoble animal! ξ is the name of the horizontal axis in the moving
> frame k.
correct (without the insult, of course).

> ξ(x') = x' in the moving frame. I attached a graphic to clarify this
> but, with your "dog vision" you missed it.

There wasn't a function named ξ in Einstein's text.

Because x' has a Latin letter 'x' in it, it was meant as a coordinate 
belonging to system K.

Therefore the equation ξ = x - vt was meant, while x' = x - vt was written.

x' should be capable of reflecting a light beam, hence a mirror should 
be placed there.

This would fit to the term 'If we place x' = x - vt...' but not to the 
equation.

That's why it is hard to say, what actually was meant with x'.


> x' = x - vt is the well known Galilean transform, along with τ = t' = t.
> 
But that " τ = t' = t " wasn't, what Einstein had in mind.

> 
>> You will _not_ find this anywhere in Einstein's paper.
>>
>> The x' is a point in the stationary system K, it is NOT
>> a coordinate in the moving system k.
>>
>> So x' = x - vt is a _moving_ point in K.
>> And since x' is moving with the speed v, it will be stationary
>> relative to k.
> 
> relative to k.


No, the point x' MUST be stationary in K !!

If it is stationary in k, if would not move in respect to the emitter in 
the center of k and we had no use for the velocity v.

...


TH

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Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms hertz778@gmail.com (rhertz) - 2025-02-04 21:54 +0000
  Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms hertz778@gmail.com (rhertz) - 2025-02-05 04:25 +0000
    Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms hertz778@gmail.com (rhertz) - 2025-02-05 04:39 +0000
  Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-02-05 09:58 +0100
  Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-02-05 13:29 +0100
    Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2025-02-05 13:03 +0000
    Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-02-05 14:06 +0100
    Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms hertz778@gmail.com (rhertz) - 2025-02-05 22:51 +0000
      Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-02-06 08:27 +0100
      Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-02-06 19:48 +0100
        Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms hertz778@gmail.com (rhertz) - 2025-02-06 19:55 +0000
          Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-02-12 14:20 +0100
            Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms hertz778@gmail.com (rhertz) - 2025-02-12 18:11 +0000
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        Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-02-07 08:06 +0100
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