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| From | whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: Uncle Jane and MPD (was Re: The Light Clock Thought Experiment - Questions) |
| Date | 2023-06-02 00:53 -0500 |
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Top posting is rarely appropriate but in this case there's no need in
people going through the garbage when the answer is so simple. I asked
(along with others) a simple question ("define what you mean by
frequency in the question you asked using balls as a model") and
you have been evading answering that question ever since, just as
you continue doing right here and now.
All your misdirection and evasions for weeks got us to this point.
Like all cranks you believe that pointless arguing, ad hominem
attacks, and shifting goalposts give you a way out. They do not. You
have a flunking grade for your efforts.
There is nothing to be gained by continuing on this course, Jane.
You have offered nothing worthy of my time and effort. It seems
several others have made similar points before dropping out of
discussions with you. Why do you persist when you have failed to
support your original thesis that light in transit has no
frequency but it has wavelength.
Please try to get your head on straight.
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On 6/1/2023 11:44 PM, Jane wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 21:12:11 -0500, whodat wrote:
>
>> On 6/1/2023 8:27 PM, Jane wrote:
>>> On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 19:54:14 -0500, whodat wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/1/2023 6:51 PM, Volney wrote:
>>>>> On 6/1/2023 7:47 PM, Jane wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> You know, the difference between your contributions here and mine is
>>>>>> that you can only continually claim that I am wrong without having
>>>>>> any reason to say so whereas I do not bother to brag about being
>>>>>> continually right because I have plenty of reason to know that I am.
>>>>>> In other words, nothing you say has any educational value whatsoever
>>>>>> whereas everything I say has potential to literally change the
>>>>>> world.
>>>>>
>>>>> The first rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is: You don't realize
>>>>> you're a member of the Dunning-Kruger Club.
>>>>
>>>> While I've used various tactics in arguing with others in the past
>>>> I've done my best to rely on facts where "Jane" is concerned.
>>>
>>> The trouble is you cannot even identify the facts let alone understand
>>> them.
>>
>> You've had multiple opportunities to engage in meaningful discussion in
>> this newsgroup and you fail to do so repeatedly, so I've not attempted
>> to be "on point" because you've been driving the wrong way on a one way
>> street. When one party (you) refuses to clarify their meaning and intent
>> there is no discussion to be had. All your ad hominem attacks become
>> meaningless, just like this one. What have you gained with this latest?
>
> Don't lie.
> Here are some examples of my 'meaningful' contributions.
> **************
> The so-called 'frequency' of light is defined as its wave emission rate
> at the source, c/λ. Light's arrival rate at any object which is at rest
> with the source has the same value. To be consistent, the frequency of
> light arriving at an object that is moving at speed v relative to the
> source must therefore be defined as (c+v)/λ.
>
> The supposed 'frequency' of light is defined as c/Lambda, which has one
> and only one physical meaning...the rate at which wavelengths depart
> from the source or pass any other point. In the frame of the light
> itself, nothing oscillates during travel. If you check Maxwell's
> equations, you will
> see why. You will also see that light moves at c relative to its source
> but at any other speed relative to other objects.
> Assigning a frequency to a radio signal is excusable and quite practical
> even though, again, nothing actually oscillates while it is traveling.
> It is the frequency applied to the antenna and that to which a
> receiver's filters must be tuned. Light is not produced by an AC signal
> on any antenna or any other known oscillatory process. There is no
> apparent reason for believing that it and radio are fundamentally similar.
> ****************
> Regarding Michelson's moving mirror experiment.
>
> After reflecting from moving mirrors V1 = c + rv and V2 = c – rv.
>
> Determining path lengths A back to B (P1) and B to A (P2):
> P1 = L + (2E+ d1) + (L+d1) :
> P2 = L + (2E - d2) + (L - d2)
> Path difference = 2(d1+d2)
>
> Determining d1 and d2 using travel times:
> Mirror C moves distance d1 at speed v during time (2E+d1)/(c+rv)
> For P1: d1/v = (2E+d1)/(c+rv) and so
> d1 = 2Ev/(c+v(r-1))
> Mirror D moves distance d2 at speed v during time (2E-d2)/(c-rv)
> For P2: d2/v = (2E-d2)/(c-rv) and so
> d2 = 2Ev/(c – v(r-1))
> Path difference = 2(d1 + d2) = 8Evc/(c2-v2(r-1)2)
> ~ 8Ev/c for v<<c
> (Note, (r-1)2 has the same value for r = 0 and r=2)
>
> Fringe displacement = 8Ev/cλ
>
> As can be seen, the value or r appears to have insignificant effect.
> However, for r = 0 or 1, there are Doppler changes in wavelength equal to
> (c+(2-r)v)/c and (c-(2-r)v)/c when reflecting from the moving mirrors.
>>
> ****
> So don't accuse me of not stating facts just because you, as a non-
> scientist, you have no idea of their meaning.
>
>
>
>
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