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| Date | 2023-12-17 19:25 -0800 |
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| Subject | Re: Does the Principle of Relativity travel at the speed of light? |
| From | Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> |
On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 3:18:07 PM UTC-8, Mike Fontenot wrote: > The material that we've been discussing above is elementary. Much more > interesting is what special relativity says about the conclusions of > separated people who are undergoing identical (as confirmed by > accelerometers) finite accelerations. The answer is that the person on > the trailing rocket will conclude that the leading rocket maintains a > constant separation ahead of the trailing rocket. > > Many people still believe that the separation INCREASES in that > scenario, according to the person on the trailing rocket. That belief > comes from mutually-contradictory statements in Bell's Spaceship > paradox, as given in the webpage: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell%27s_spaceship_paradox . > > That webpage makes two mutually-contradictory claims: > > First, that the two rockets maintain the same separation, according to > the initial inertial observers, and secondly, > that the two rockets are identically constructed, and thus produce the > same thrust and acceleration when ignited, according to the people on > the trailing rocket. Those two statements can't both be simultaneously > true. If the first statement is true, then the second statement is > false: the two accelerometers can't have the same reading. The leading > rocket will be accelerating faster than trailing rocket, according to > the person on the trailing rocket. > > I've written eleven papers (on viXra) on this subject, the first two > fairly long, and the latter ones fairly short. You can find them on viXra: > > https://vixra.org > > by searching on my full name: "Michael Leon Fontenot". They can be > downloaded (in PDF form) at no charge. > > You can also get the two long papers separately on Amazon, and a third > paper on Amazon that contains all of the short papers. They aren't > free, but only cost about $7 (not counting shipping and taxes, etc.) ... > that's just a dollar or so more than printing costs. To find them, you > can just search on Amazon for my full name. (The fourth monograph > returned in that search, "A New Simultaneity Method for Accelerated > Observers in Special Relativity", is now known to be incorrect ... it's > only value is in providing some comfort to those people who can't > tolerate the instantaneous ageing of the home twin, according to the > traveling twin when he instantaneously reverses course in the twin paradox). > > The titles of the first two long monographs are > > "An Inconsistency Between the Gravitational Time Dilation Equation and > the Twin Paradox" > > and > > "A New Gravitational Time Dilation Equation". > > The third Amazon monograph is titled > > "An Accelerated Array of Clocks in Special Relativity: A Meaningful > "NOW-at-a Distance” ", > > and contains all the short papers. > > If you have any questions, I can be reached at: > > Physics...@gmail.com The string breaks everywhere at once. The problem is you attached simple behavior to a holistic thing. The pilot wave, ghost wave and similar concepts, that the wave form collapse is it snaps in the back then faster-than-effect makes the impulse in the front, is a pretty necessary concept for which we point to Fritz London and the notions of the superfluidity and superconductivity, to even begin to express why such a superclassical notion, gets assigned to Zeno and the supertask, from the tachyonic side, faster than light in any its media. Then it's real space contraction altogether that quite surely puts GR in front of SR, while most peple had followed the interpretation after the L principle the other way, that Einstein for example points out his own theory SR is that his earlier theory now called STR, is local, with regards to its consitution by the objects in the space, in GR. One big dot
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Re: Does the Principle of Relativity travel at the speed of light? Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-12-11 11:49 -0600
Re: Does the Principle of Relativity travel at the speed of light? Mike Fontenot <mlfasf@comcast.net> - 2023-12-11 14:55 -0700
Re: Does the Principle of Relativity travel at the speed of light? Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-12-13 19:19 -0600
Re: Does the Principle of Relativity travel at the speed of light? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-12-13 17:28 -0800
Re: Does the Principle of Relativity travel at the speed of light? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-12-13 18:39 -0800
Re: Does the Principle of Relativity travel at the speed of light? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-12-15 13:06 -0800
Re: Does the Principle of Relativity travel at the speed of light? Mike Fontenot <mlfasf@comcast.net> - 2023-12-14 12:47 -0700
Re: Does the Principle of Relativity travel at the speed of light? Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-12-14 13:55 -0600
Re: Does the Principle of Relativity travel at the speed of light? Mike Fontenot <mlfasf@comcast.net> - 2023-12-14 13:32 -0700
Re: Does the Principle of Relativity travel at the speed of light? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-12-14 18:31 -0800
Re: Does the Principle of Relativity travel at the speed of light? Mike Fontenot <mlfasf@comcast.net> - 2023-12-14 15:27 -0700
Re: Does the Principle of Relativity travel at the speed of light? Mike Fontenot <mlfasf@comcast.net> - 2023-12-17 16:18 -0700
Re: Does the Principle of Relativity travel at the speed of light? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-12-17 19:25 -0800
Re: Does the Principle of Relativity travel at the speed of light? Mike Fontenot <mlfasf@comcast.net> - 2023-12-18 09:29 -0700
Re: Does the Principle of Relativity travel at the speed of light? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-12-18 12:16 -0600
Re: Does the Principle of Relativity travel at the speed of light? Mike Fontenot <mlfasf@comcast.net> - 2023-12-18 13:28 -0700
Re: Does the Principle of Relativity travel at the speed of light? Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-12-18 21:04 -0600
Re: Does the Principle of Relativity travel at the speed of light? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-12-18 20:36 -0800
Re: Does the Principle of Relativity travel at the speed of light? Mike Fontenot <mlfasf@comcast.net> - 2023-12-19 09:09 -0700
Re: Does the Principle of Relativity travel at the speed of light? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2023-12-23 12:21 +0200
Re: Does the Principle of Relativity travel at the speed of light? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-12-23 11:28 -0800
Re: Does the Principle of Relativity travel at the speed of light? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2023-12-21 22:34 +0000
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