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Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.

From	clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen)
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Subject	Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.
Date	2025-02-21 05:53 +0000
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On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 21:44:03 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote:

> Le 20/02/2025 à 22:31, "Paul B. Andersen" a écrit :
>> So you prefer to believe that your derivation that
>> photons are not affected by gravity is correct,
>> and that GR's predictions thus are proven wrong.
>>
>> So you must be ignorant of the fact that photons are observed
>> to be deflected by gravity exactly as predicted by GR.
>>
>> Because you would not claim that "photons cannot be affected
>> by gravity" if you knew that they are.
>>
>> Or would you? :-D
>>
>> Paul
>
> What is the evidence that photons are deflected by the presence of
> matter
> in space?
> If the space surrounding bodies has the ability to deflect the
> trajectory
> of bodies, then space is not pure nothingness.
> But how can absolute vacuum manage to deflect bodies and photons with
> its
> little hooked fingers?
> What evidence do we have of this?
> The deflection of the rays of stars at the solar periphery?
> This is not evidence, but a grotesque claim. The sun ejects matter much
> further than one to two solar radii, and therefore the sun is surrounded
> by particles and gases ejected over millions of kilometers (which slowly
> fall back to its surface).
> Can't these gases and particles, over millions of kilometers, have
> refracting capacities?
> The same goes for galaxies, probably surrounded by enormous masses of
> gas
> over thousands of light years. So, couldn't this cause diffraction
> rings?
> As for black holes, which we can't see, who can prove their existence?
> Can't a huge mass of matter, at the center of a galaxy, have all the
> gravitational characteristics of a black hole without being a black
> hole?
> Haven't we made physics more metaphysical than physical?
>
> R.H.
Light remains a mystery. The problem with the refraction solution is
that light would be a wave without a medium, or we haven't found that
medium yet in laboratory vacuums, and it would be different from
Michelson's concept.

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Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-02-19 15:28 +0000
  Mass of photon? What it can't exist.  Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2025-02-19 15:53 +0000
    Re: Mass of photon? What it can't exist. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-02-19 19:26 +0000
      Re: Mass of photon? What it can't exist. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2025-02-20 15:35 +0000
        Re: Mass of photon? What it can't exist. Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-02-20 18:10 +0100
  Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. film.art@gmail.com (JanPB) - 2025-02-19 20:39 +0000
    Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-02-19 21:42 +0000
      Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. film.art@gmail.com (JanPB) - 2025-02-20 21:35 +0000
        Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-02-20 22:37 +0000
      Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-02-20 18:36 -0800
    Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-02-19 21:45 +0000
      Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. film.art@gmail.com (JanPB) - 2025-02-20 21:37 +0000
        Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-02-22 19:25 +0000
    Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-02-19 21:51 +0000
      Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. film.art@gmail.com (JanPB) - 2025-02-20 21:39 +0000
        Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-02-20 22:39 +0000
          Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2025-02-21 02:03 +0000
            Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-02-21 05:22 +0000
        Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-02-20 22:44 +0000
    Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-02-19 23:33 +0000
    Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-02-20 04:45 +0000
  Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-02-20 19:49 +0100
    Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-02-20 20:13 +0100
      Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-02-20 19:34 +0000
        Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-02-20 22:34 +0100
          Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2025-02-20 21:44 +0000
            Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-02-21 05:53 +0000
            Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-02-21 09:26 +0100
              Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2025-02-21 11:29 +0000
                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-02-22 08:31 +0100
                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 12:48 -0800
                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2025-02-22 20:52 +0000
                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-02-22 21:43 +0000
                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2025-02-22 23:22 +0000
                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-02-23 04:24 +0000
                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2025-02-23 14:45 +0000
                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-02-23 07:51 +0100
                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-02-23 09:24 +0100
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                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-02-21 23:18 -0800
                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-02-22 19:21 +0000
                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-02-22 09:57 +0100
                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-02-22 10:27 -0800
                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-02-23 09:12 +0100
                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-02-22 22:30 +0100
                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 16:05 -0800
                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2025-02-23 02:13 +0000
                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-02-23 04:50 +0000
                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-02-23 14:17 +0100
                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-02-23 15:53 +0100
                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-02-23 20:03 +0000
                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-02-23 21:46 +0000
                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-02-24 07:44 +0100
                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-02-24 00:17 +0000
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                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 14:58 -0800
                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-02-23 20:20 +0100
                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2025-02-23 19:30 +0000
                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-02-23 22:27 -0800
              Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-02-22 19:28 +0000
                Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-02-23 09:16 +0100
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          Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-02-21 10:46 +0100
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