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| Message-ID | <610646F3.5CD5@ix.netcom.com> (permalink) |
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| Date | 2021-08-01 00:02 -0700 |
| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics |
| Subject | Re: How many planets are there? |
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Since the real number for ne= is not 3, not 2 but just only one n = 1 only one habitable planet called earth... then you don't even have what amounts to a 'pattern' (2 or more). You don't have a sample pattern to go by. Hell, I'll accept one snowflake on any other planet 'as proof of life on other planets' if it resembles our snowflake pattern! But, even there that doesn't exist. No pattern. no other earths. It's that simple. The Starmaker wrote: > > Then Drake wanted to change the number 2 to 3 because he thinks Venus is > a habitable planet... > > kooks everywhere. > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Okay, just a little re-cap... > > > > Those of you who have no idea how to recognize patterns or know what is a pattern... > > > > a closer look at what the "subscripts" reveals > > > > the p in fp is planets because Drake took the subscript :fp = Fraction of stars that form planets > > and made the letter p of planets a subscript. > > > > That's how Drake got the > > > > the p in fp . > > > > He did the same thing with all the others.. > > > > but with ne = 2 He didn't want to name the second planet. > > > > But here is a clue..habitable planets (ne) where life emerges = Earth/Earths or what you call today Earth-Like. > > > > So, since Frank Drake wrote n = 2, then what two are Earth-Like planets? > > > > Since most of yous have difficulty getting that answer because of attempts by the 'scientific community' to (hide Drake Fraud) > > > > the answer that Fred Drake 'had in mind' for what two (2) habitable planets (ne) where life emerges n=2 > > > > is....Earth and Mars. > > > > Now, *Mars* is the Fraudulent answer in Drake's Equation. > > > > "Mars" makes the whole entire Drake's Equation a complete FRAUD! > > > > In other words, in Drake's feeble mind he felt the only planets that were habitable where life emerges is were Earth and Mars. > > > > As they say...if the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts. > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > Okay, it seems that some of yous dont understand what a "postscript" is... > > > > > > ( i get it, what you don't know you don't know) > > > > > > I'll explain: > > > > > > A Postscript is and after thought after a letter. > > > > > > > N = The number of broadcasting civilizations. > > > > R = Average rate of formation of suitable stars (stars/year) in the Milky Way galaxy > > > > fp = Fraction of stars that form planets > > > > ne = Average number of habitable planets per star > > > > fl = Fraction of habitable planets (ne) where life emerges > > > > fi = Fraction of habitable planets with life where intelligent evolves > > > > fc = Fraction of planets with intelligent life capable of interstellar communication > > > > L = Years a civilization remains detectable > > > > > > the p in fp is planets > > > > > > the e in ne is Earth/earths > > > > > > the l in fl is life > > > > > > the i on fi is intelligent > > > > > > the c in fc is communication > > > > > > Upper case N is different from lower case n , they both have to different meanings. > > > > > > N is the answer, n is any number, can be changed. > > > > > > n = 2 > > > > > > 2 planets. > > > > > > Are yous going to ask me Why is the sky Blue? > > > > > > Can yous people get pass the second grade???? > > > > > > the p in fp is planets (Fraction of stars that form planets) IT'S A POSTSCRIPT!!!!! This is lunacy!! > > > > > > If you're unable to get past the postscript then there is no hopes for yous. > > > > > > the c in fc is communication > > > > > > (you don't need to be a math whiz to figure that got....) > > > > > > Go back to the first grade! No school September for yous... > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Paul Alsing wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, July 26, 2021 at 3:23:16 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > Paul Alsing wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 7:11:02 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > Paul Alsing wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, it does not mention "radio telescopes" at all, you just made that up. You are guilty of splitting hairs. It does not really matter how you want to define "civilization", use whatever definition you like. It makes no difference whatsoever. It is just a guess or > estimate in any case. The Drake Equation is just a fun exercise, not a life-or-death combat, and all the 'rules' are loosey-goosey and your guess is not particularly important at all, you will still get an answer, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have a pattern, Everytime you show you don't know somehing you > > > > > > > > > believe people are making it up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, show me to be wrong. Show me where Drake mentioned radio telescopes. Put up or shut up. Otherwise, I say you are making it up. You don't get to say stuff that you cannot confirm as far as I am concerned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean "where Drake mentioned radio telescopes"???? Drake was working as a radio astronomer...he used radio telecopes!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're telling me Drake is...retarded? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "the Drake equation defines a “civilization†as a species possessing radiotelescopes. By this definition, civilization did not appear on Earth until the 1930s." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is right here: > > > > > > > https://www.centauri-dreams.org/2018/02/16/mistakes-in-the-drake-equation/ > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a nice article, but nowhere does it give that definition of a "civilization", you have made that up... and besides, we are talking about the original Drake Equation, not some fellow's critique of it, or his modern update of it. That is all fine and dandy but is >definitely not part of this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > THIS IS INSANITY!!!! You first wrote: Show me where Drake mentioned radio telescopes. > > > > > > > > > > Now, you want "definition of a "civilization"" > > > > > > > > > > There is no end to your...MADNESS!! > > > > > > > > > > Here ia a quote directly from Fraud Drake ... > > > > > > > > > > "As I planned the meeting, I realized a few day[s] ahead of time we needed an agenda. And > > > > > so I wrote down all the things you needed to know to predict how hard it's going to be to detect extraterrestrial life. And > > > > > looking at them it became pretty evident that if you multiplied all these together, you got a number, N, which is the number of > > > > > detectable civilizations in our galaxy. This was aimed at the radio search, and not to search for primordial or primitive life forms." > > > > > > > > > > —Frank Drake > > > > > > > > > > Now, multible choice 0, 1, 2, or 3? > > > > > > > > Okay, it appears to me everyone is afraid to say the number that Frank Drake used for n = > > > > because it would pinpoint exactly where he intentionally committed fraud with his equation. > > > > > > > > That is also the reason Why his peers are trying to 'erase' that number from the Internet. > > > > (cannot be erased from books that was published in the past that contained his equation and original numbers numbers he used) > > > > > > > > I am simply pointing to everyone where exactly the intentional fraud occurred. > > > > > > > > So here are a some examples of the actual values Drake used in his equation: > > > > > > > > https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/project_modules/max_1200/89b98132414723.5605bc5d1a80f.png > > > > > > > > http://www.astrodigital.org/astronomy/drake_equation.html > > > > > > > > (you will notice a link :According to the Wikipedia entry for the Drake Equation, the following values were those used in the original formulation of the Drake Equation:) > > > > (but of course they fraudulent changed the original values Drake used in Wiki and called it Original estimates) > > > > > > > > R = 10 > > > > fp = 0.5 > > > > ne = 2.0 > > > > fl = 1.0 > > > > fi = 0.01 > > > > fc = 0.01 > > > > L = 10000 > > > > > > > > N = The number of broadcasting civilizations. > > > > R = Average rate of formation of suitable stars (stars/year) in the Milky Way galaxy > > > > fp = Fraction of stars that form planets > > > > ne = Average number of habitable planets per star > > > > fl = Fraction of habitable planets (ne) where life emerges > > > > fi = Fraction of habitable planets with life where intelligent evolves > > > > fc = Fraction of planets with intelligent life capable of interstellar communication > > > > L = Years a civilization remains detectable > > > > > > > > (But they cannot change it in books in the past, only online) > > > > > > > > So, now you know n = 2 (Average number of habitable planets per star) > > > > > > > > Now, Some of yous (not all of yous) have guessed Earth is one of the habitable planets... > > > > > > > > but Fred Drake put down the number 2 > > > > > > > > so, What is the name of the second one???? > > > > > > > > Since Frank Drake obviously is *using* our star as an example/sample of habitable planets, > > > > > > > > then what is the name of the habitable planet besides Earth? > > > > > > > > In Order for Frank Drake to use a sample for his equation, it would have to have a pattern, a sequence...meaning two or more planets. > > > > > > > > So, ne = 2.0 What two planets did he used in his equation? > > > > > > > > Earth is one. > > > > > > > > What's the second one he used for a sample? Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune or Pluto???? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge > > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > > > -- > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > -- > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge > > the unchallengeable. > > -- > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge > the unchallengeable. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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