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Re: The first postulate is a truism.

From Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: The first postulate is a truism.
Date 2025-06-24 12:47 +0300
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On 2025-06-23 21:16:23 +0000, LaurenceClarkCrossen said:

> On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 8:43:48 +0000, Mikko wrote:
> 
>> On 2025-06-22 11:25:52 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
>> 
>>> Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 2025-06-19 17:37:29 +0000, LaurenceClarkCrossen said:
>>>> 
>>>>> Perplexity:
>>>>> 
>>>>> "The First Postulate of Special Relativity
>>>>> 
>>>>> Statement of the First Postulate
>>>>> 
>>>>> The first postulate of special relativity, also known as the principle
>>>>> of relativity, states:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The laws of physics are the same in all inertial frames of
>>>>> reference."
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> "truism
>>>>> /?tr?iz?m/  n. a statement that is obviously true and says nothing new
>>>>> or interesting. —truistic/tr?istik/ adj." -Oxford American.
>>>> 
>>>> The first postulate is not a truism. It is possible to imagine a world
>>>> where it is not true and to believe that we actually live in a such
>>>> world.
>>> 
>>> Applying 'truism' to postulate is a category error anyway,
>>> (but what do we expect from dear Laurence?)
>> 
>> I think the (mistaken) idea was that if it is a truism it is wrong
>> to call it a postulate.

> I agree. It is mistaken to think a truism cannot be a postulate. Look at
> the first postulate.

Looking at the first postulate does not help as we already determined
that it is not a truism.

-- 
Mikko

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The first postulate is a truism. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-06-19 17:37 +0000
  Re: The first postulate is a truism. Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-06-20 12:06 +0300
    Re: The first postulate is a truism. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-06-20 11:43 +0200
    Re: The first postulate is a truism. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-06-20 18:55 +0000
      Re: The first postulate is a truism. Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-06-21 13:19 +0300
        Re: The first postulate is a truism. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-06-21 21:14 +0000
          Re: The first postulate is a truism. Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-06-21 22:31 +0000
            Re: The first postulate is a truism. bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-22 00:11 +0000
            Re: The first postulate is a truism. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-06-22 11:45 +0200
            Re: The first postulate is a truism. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-06-23 00:09 +0000
              Re: The first postulate is a truism. Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-06-23 13:47 +0000
          Re: The first postulate is a truism. Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-06-22 12:43 +0300
            Re: The first postulate is a truism. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-06-23 21:25 +0000
              Re: The first postulate is a truism. Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-06-24 12:36 +0300
        Re: The first postulate is a truism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-06-22 13:25 +0200
          Re: The first postulate is a truism. bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-22 13:50 +0000
          Re: The first postulate is a truism. Jerald Warszawski <raw@eazreizs.pl> - 2025-06-22 14:03 +0000
          Re: The first postulate is a truism. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-06-22 16:46 +0200
            Re: The first postulate is a truism. Walid Paradjanov <awload@wlv.ru> - 2025-06-22 16:07 +0000
          Re: The first postulate is a truism. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-06-23 03:21 +0000
            Re: The first postulate is a truism. Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-06-23 11:13 +0300
            Re: The first postulate is a truism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-06-23 19:20 +0200
              Re: The first postulate is a truism. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-06-23 21:52 +0000
                Re: The first postulate is a truism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-06-24 09:27 +0200
                Re: The first postulate is a truism. Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-06-24 12:38 +0300
          Re: The first postulate is a truism. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-06-23 21:09 +0000
            Re: The first postulate is a truism. Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-06-24 12:42 +0300
              Re: The first postulate is a truism. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-06-24 19:59 +0200
            Re: The first postulate is a truism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-06-27 07:17 +0200
              Re: The first postulate is a truism. Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-06-27 10:54 +0300
                Re: The first postulate is a truism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-06-27 12:51 +0200
                Re: The first postulate is a truism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-06-28 18:22 +0200
                Re: The first postulate is a truism. Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> - 2025-06-28 19:18 +0200
                Re: The first postulate is a truism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-06-29 06:20 +0200
                Re: The first postulate is a truism. Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> - 2025-06-29 10:03 +0200
                Re: The first postulate is a truism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-06-30 14:15 +0200
                Re: The first postulate is a truism. Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> - 2025-06-30 17:31 +0200
                Re: The first postulate is a truism. Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2025-06-30 23:11 +0200
                Re: The first postulate is a truism. Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-06-30 22:18 +0000
                Re: The first postulate is a truism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-07-01 07:20 +0200
                Re: The first postulate is a truism. bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-07-01 09:39 +0000
                Re: The first postulate is a truism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-06-29 10:34 +0200
                Re: The first postulate is a truism. bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-07-01 09:42 +0000
                Re: The first postulate is a truism. Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-06-29 13:46 +0300
    Re: The first postulate is a truism. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-06-20 18:59 +0000
    Re: The first postulate is a truism. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-06-21 01:28 +0000
      Re: The first postulate is a truism. Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-06-21 13:22 +0300
        Re: The first postulate is a truism. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-06-21 21:11 +0000
          Re: The first postulate is a truism. Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-06-22 12:45 +0300
        Re: The first postulate is a truism. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-06-23 21:29 +0000
          Re: The first postulate is a truism. Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-06-24 12:45 +0300
    Re: The first postulate is a truism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-06-22 13:25 +0200
      Re: The first postulate is a truism. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-06-22 16:47 +0200
      Re: The first postulate is a truism. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-06-23 03:36 +0000
      Re: The first postulate is a truism. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-06-23 03:48 +0000
      Re: The first postulate is a truism. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-06-23 03:54 +0000
      Re: The first postulate is a truism. Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-06-23 11:43 +0300
        Re: The first postulate is a truism. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-06-23 21:16 +0000
          Re: The first postulate is a truism. Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-06-24 12:47 +0300
      Re: The first postulate is a truism. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-06-23 13:32 +0000
        Re: The first postulate is a truism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-06-24 09:27 +0200
          Re: The first postulate is a truism. Jefforey Yoshimatsu <rymaoeo@msyhua.jp> - 2025-06-24 10:02 +0000
          Re: The first postulate is a truism. Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2025-06-24 13:07 +0200
            Re: The first postulate is a truism. Otte Baigushev <aa@bigtghsoev.ru> - 2025-06-24 17:41 +0000
            Re: The first postulate is a truism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-06-25 12:08 +0200
          Re: The first postulate is a truism. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-06-24 20:03 +0200
        Re: The first postulate is a truism. Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-06-24 12:54 +0300
  Re: The first postulate is a truism. bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-20 10:18 +0000

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