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  Updated crackpot index? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-08 14:46 -0500
    RE: Updated crackpot index? Earle Jones <earle.jones@comcast.net> - 2022-12-08 20:18 +0000
      RE: RE: Updated crackpot index? Earle Jones <earle.jones@comcast.net> - 2022-12-08 20:21 +0000
        Re: Updated crackpot index? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2022-12-08 16:43 -0500
    Re: Updated crackpot index? Stephan Russo <ptrp@susnon.sr> - 2022-12-08 20:58 +0000
      Note to Volney (was Re: Updated crackpot index?) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-08 18:15 -0600
        Re: Note to Volney (was Re: Updated crackpot index?) Hanoi Cuocco <ouco@ocaoch.ho> - 2022-12-09 14:35 +0000
          Re: Note to Volney (was Re: Updated crackpot index?) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-09 10:59 -0600
    Re: Updated crackpot index? Stephan Russo <ptrp@susnon.sr> - 2022-12-08 21:00 +0000
    Re: Updated crackpot index? Hanoi Cuocco <ouco@ocaoch.ho> - 2022-12-09 21:02 +0000
      Re: Updated crackpot index? Lou Abatangelo <lbta@aooutala.nl> - 2022-12-10 20:28 +0000
        Re: Updated crackpot index? Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2022-12-10 13:06 -0800
          Re: Updated crackpot index? Lou Abatangelo <lbta@aooutala.nl> - 2022-12-10 21:19 +0000
            Re: Updated crackpot index? Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2022-12-10 13:42 -0800
              Re: Updated crackpot index? Lou Abatangelo <lbta@aooutala.nl> - 2022-12-10 22:57 +0000
            Re: Updated crackpot index? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-10 16:18 -0600
              Re: Updated crackpot index? Trolidan7 <Trolidan7@eternal-september.org> - 2022-12-10 14:42 -0800
                Re: Updated crackpot index? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-10 17:59 -0600
          Re: Updated crackpot index? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-12-10 17:39 -0500
            Re: Updated crackpot index? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-12-11 13:08 -0500
              Re: Updated crackpot index? Smokey Abbiati <asbk@atmakb.ai> - 2022-12-11 18:21 +0000
                Re: Updated crackpot index? Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2022-12-11 10:40 -0800
                Re: Updated crackpot index? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-11 13:44 -0600
                  Re: Updated crackpot index? Smokey Abbiati <asbk@atmakb.ai> - 2022-12-11 21:37 +0000
                    Re: Updated crackpot index? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-11 16:07 -0600
                Re: Updated crackpot index? Darron Riva <orvd@raria.ar> - 2022-12-12 16:28 +0000
                  Re: Updated crackpot index? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-12 13:41 -0600
        Re: Updated crackpot index? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-10 16:16 -0600
      Re: Updated crackpot index? Lou Abatangelo <lbta@aooutala.nl> - 2022-12-10 23:33 +0000
    Re: Updated crackpot index? Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2022-12-10 11:51 -0800
      Re: Updated crackpot index? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-12-10 14:27 -0800
        Re: Updated crackpot index? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2022-12-11 05:14 -0800
          Re: Updated crackpot index? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2022-12-11 06:20 -0800
      Re: Updated crackpot index? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-12-10 17:45 -0500
        Re: Updated crackpot index? Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2022-12-10 15:08 -0800
          Re: Updated crackpot index? Lou Abatangelo <lbta@aooutala.nl> - 2022-12-10 23:22 +0000
    Re: Updated crackpot index? Darron Riva <orvd@raria.ar> - 2022-12-12 18:43 +0000
    Re: Updated crackpot index? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-18 14:53 -0500
      Re: Updated crackpot index? Vitaliy Bazzoli <zvt@viavzl.oi> - 2022-12-18 20:41 +0000
      Re: Updated crackpot index? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-22 09:29 +0100
        Re: Updated crackpot index? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-23 02:00 -0500
          Re: Updated crackpot index? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-24 09:57 +0100
            Re: Updated crackpot index? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-24 15:32 -0500
              Re: Updated crackpot index? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-25 11:17 +0100
                Re: Updated crackpot index? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-26 14:10 -0500
                  Re: Updated crackpot index? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-27 09:36 +0100
                    Re: Updated crackpot index? Thurman De palma <eaan@phapremr.an> - 2022-12-27 13:57 +0000
                      Re: Updated crackpot index? Y A <angel0000000010000000000000@gmail.com> - 2023-01-09 02:21 -0800
                    Re: Updated crackpot index? Emmet Robustelli <uttl@etlmms.re> - 2022-12-29 21:28 +0000
              Re: Updated crackpot index? Luigi Tumicelli <llei@cumiicli.lu> - 2023-01-09 09:04 +0000
    Re: Updated crackpot index? Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2022-12-22 13:31 -0800
    Re: Updated crackpot index? Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2022-12-24 09:35 -0800
    Re: Updated crackpot index? Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2022-12-24 13:02 -0800
      STUDENTS BEWARE: Don't be a victim of AP's fake math and science Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2022-12-24 14:22 -0800
    Re: Updated crackpot index? Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2022-12-24 16:27 -0800
    Re: Updated crackpot index? Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2022-12-25 09:20 -0800
    Re: Updated crackpot index? Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2022-12-25 18:58 -0800
    Re: Updated crackpot index? Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2022-12-26 12:31 -0800

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#585513

Michael Moroney wrote:

>> Oh nymshifter, avoid Occupied Crimea. I hear things have been going
>> BANG there. 🚀💣💥
> 
> Avoid spas in Occupied Melitopol and 卐Wagner卐 headquarters as well! 🚀
💣💥

au contraire, I see Russia taking over the entire capitalist europe, 
fucking the gringos capitalist americans into their ass. No, they are not 
gays and homos. They are doing it for fun.

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#585514

In sci.physics Smokey Abbiati <asbk@atmakb.ai> wrote:
> Michael Moroney wrote:
> 
>>> Oh nymshifter, avoid Occupied Crimea. I hear things have been going
>>> BANG there. 🚀💣💥
>> 
>> Avoid spas in Occupied Melitopol and 卐Wagner卐 headquarters as well! 🚀
> 💣💥
> 
> au contraire, I see Russia taking over the entire capitalist europe, 
> fucking the gringos capitalist americans into their ass. No, they are not 
> gays and homos. They are doing it for fun.

Non sequitur.

If they were not gays and homos, it would not be fun.

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#585518

On 12/11/2022 12:21 PM, Smokey Abbiati wrote:
> Michael Moroney wrote:
> 
>>> Oh nymshifter, avoid Occupied Crimea. I hear things have been going
>>> BANG there. 🚀💣💥
>>
>> Avoid spas in Occupied Melitopol and 卐Wagner卐 headquarters as well! 🚀
> 💣💥
> 
> au contraire, I see Russia taking over the entire capitalist europe,
> fucking the gringos capitalist americans into their ass. No, they are not
> gays and homos. They are doing it for fun.

But you are still obsessed with the topic, no matter what name you use.

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#585520

whodat wrote:

> On 12/11/2022 12:21 PM, Smokey Abbiati wrote:
>> Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>> Oh nymshifter, avoid Occupied Crimea. I hear things have been going
>>>> BANG there. 🚀💣💥
>>>
>>> Avoid spas in Occupied Melitopol and 卐Wagner卐 headquarters as well! 
>>> 🚀💣💥
>> 
>> au contraire, I see Russia taking over the entire capitalist europe,
>> fucking the gringos capitalist americans into their ass. No, they are
>> not gays and homos. They are doing it for fun.
> 
> But you are still obsessed with the topic, no matter what name you use.

stop reading mathematics you don't undrestand, you devoted cretin.

Zelensky was ready for neutrality – Pentagon ex-adviser 
https://%72%74.com/%72%75%73%73%69%61/568057-zelensky-peace-talks-
neutrality/

Ukrainian gay actor, a khazar gypsy goy, "President" Vladimir Zelensky was 
ready in March to meet some of Moscow’s conditions for peace, retired US 
Army Colonel Douglas MacGregor has claimed in a recent interview. He 
blamed former British Prime Minister _terrorist_ *_Boris_Johnson_* for 
preventing a settlement.

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#585526

On 12/11/2022 3:37 PM, Smokey Abbiati wrote:
> whodat wrote:
> 
>> On 12/11/2022 12:21 PM, Smokey Abbiati wrote:
>>> Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>> Oh nymshifter, avoid Occupied Crimea. I hear things have been going
>>>>> BANG there. 🚀💣💥
>>>>
>>>> Avoid spas in Occupied Melitopol and 卐Wagner卐 headquarters as well!
>>>> 🚀💣💥
>>>
>>> au contraire, I see Russia taking over the entire capitalist europe,
>>> fucking the gringos capitalist americans into their ass. No, they are
>>> not gays and homos. They are doing it for fun.
>>
>> But you are still obsessed with the topic, no matter what name you use.
> 
> stop reading mathematics you don't undrestand, you devoted cretin.

How very childish of you.

> Zelensky was ready for neutrality – Pentagon ex-adviser
> https://%72%74.com/%72%75%73%73%69%61/568057-zelensky-peace-talks-
> neutrality/
> 
> Ukrainian gay actor, a khazar gypsy goy, "President" Vladimir Zelensky was
> ready in March to meet some of Moscow’s conditions for peace, retired US
> Army Colonel Douglas MacGregor has claimed in a recent interview. He
> blamed former British Prime Minister _terrorist_ *_Boris_Johnson_* for
> preventing a settlement.

Ibid.
"But you are still obsessed with the topic, no matter what name you
use."

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#585563

Volney wrote:

>> au contraire, I see Russia taking over the entire capitalist europe,
> 
> Let me guess, nymshifter. 'Shrooms? LSD?
> 
>> fucking the gringos capitalist americans into their ass. No, they are
>> not gays and homos. They are doing it for fun.
> 
> If they're doing it for fun, they're gay.

amazing you know how to do it, and what is all about. The number of gays 
in this forum is increasing. Where are you gays coming from, america??

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#585581

On 12/12/2022 10:28 AM, Darron Riva wrote:
> Volney wrote:
> 
>>> au contraire, I see Russia taking over the entire capitalist europe,
>>
>> Let me guess, nymshifter. 'Shrooms? LSD?
>>
>>> fucking the gringos capitalist americans into their ass. No, they are
>>> not gays and homos. They are doing it for fun.
>>
>> If they're doing it for fun, they're gay.
> 
> amazing you know how to do it, and what is all about. The number of gays
> in this forum is increasing. Where are you gays coming from, america??

Only one self-professed gay here so far, you.

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#585452

On 12/10/2022 2:28 PM, Lou Abatangelo wrote:
> Trolidan7 wrote:
> 
>> On 12/9/22 1:02 PM, Hanoi Cuocco wrote:
>>> Volney wrote:
>>>> You may be honored to know that I will be rereading some of your posts
>>>> for excellent additions to the new crank index.
>>>
>>> you are so cool, nice guy. Here's a little about the tax_collectors and
>>> the money changers, making money, giving them to fools.
>>> (english subtitles)
>>>
>>> "You can't feed anyone with paper – you need food" - Putin on fake
>>> currencies
>>
>> The piece of shit is a comedian. You can exchange paper money for food.
> 
> no, you can't. Exchange this to food $100.00. You can't. Then give this to
> uKraine
> 	$100,000,000,000.00 which is $100 billions.
> 
> that's why the nazi west europe want uKraine, cheap/gratis gas and oil
> from Russia, and cheap/gratis grains and vegetables from fucking nazi
> uKraine.
> 
> that's why the putina looks like a traitor. After a ship going down,
> terror attack on Crimea, jets destroyed, bridge destroyed, pipeline
> destroyed etc, he allows the nazi west europe to harvest grains from the
> fucking nazi uKraine. No ship loaded with grains went to Africa. All to
> west europe, as Holland, France, Germany, Spain, etc. Allowing this, the
> putina looks undeniable like a traitor.
> 
> don't forget to give the above money to nazi uKraine. Tell them I sent you
> to give them that.

You're way out of your depth you know.

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#585467

Michael Moroney wrote:

>> Zelensky, like the Russian people in general,
>> does not want to be murdered by him.  End of joke.
>> 
> Russia seems to be a country full of sheeple. Iran explodes after one
> woman was killed over a dress code. China riots over excessive COVID

when iran was bombing bases in iraq, the cacamerians were running away 
like *cockroaches*, which are a paraphyletic group of insects belonging to 
Blattodea, containing all members of the group except termites.

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#585439

On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:46:13 PM UTC-5, Volney wrote:
> Many people score crank posts according to John Baez's Crackpot Index 
> (https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html). But it's almost a 
> quarter century old. I've been thinking of updating it, since cranks 
> have come up with many novel techniques since 1998 that are not listed. 
> For example, using crackpot-only words and phrases, for example 
> "Einsteinian" and "relativist", usually intended to insult scientists. 
> 
> Is this worth doing? 
> Should I take the existing crackpot index and simply add to it? 
> Should any of its original entries be changed, even if only the points? 
> Should I redo this in a completely different format? If so, suggestions? 
> Should point scores apply to individual posts or the poster overall? 
> 
> In any case, full credit will be given to Baez for the original. 
> 
> 
> Do you have suggestions for added entries, plus point scores for each? 
> 
> Example additions, exact phrasing and points not yet determined: 
> 
> People who agree with an argument promoted by an expert are "worshiping" 
> him, are brainwashed, indoctrinated, or are parrots. 
> 
> Silence is consent: "I notice that there are no comments on my 
> manifesto. That means that you all agree with it!" 
> 
> "Physics is a religion/cult!" 
> 
> References to things like "Old Biology" (textbook standard biology) and 
> "New Biology" (the crank's version of biology including bizarre changes, 
> the crank believes his version is or will be accepted) 
> 
> Expand Baez's Item #21: "I won a Nobel Prize for my discovery" when they 
> didn't. 
> Less delusional: "I should have won a Nobel Prize for my discovery." 
> Sour grapes: "The Nobel Prize is worthless"/"the committee awarding it 
> is corrupt", etc. because they didn't win a Nobel. 
> "I was offered the Nobel Prize but I turned it down because it's worthless." 
> 
> 
> I want to keep this generic, otherwise it may become relativity/Einstein 
> specific or creationism specific. Also certain behavior unique to only 
> one crank probably shouldn't be included. 
> 
> I set followups to sci.physics.

Should some distinction be made between the well-meaning but simply wrong and those with malicious intent?

Dan

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#585455

On 12/10/2022 11:51 AM, Dan Christensen wrote:
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:46:13 PM UTC-5, Volney wrote:
>> Many people score crank posts according to John Baez's Crackpot Index
>> (https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html). But it's almost a
>> quarter century old. I've been thinking of updating it, since cranks
>> have come up with many novel techniques since 1998 that are not listed.
>> For example, using crackpot-only words and phrases, for example
>> "Einsteinian" and "relativist", usually intended to insult scientists.
>>
>> Is this worth doing?
>> Should I take the existing crackpot index and simply add to it?
>> Should any of its original entries be changed, even if only the points?
>> Should I redo this in a completely different format? If so, suggestions?
>> Should point scores apply to individual posts or the poster overall?
>>
>> In any case, full credit will be given to Baez for the original.
[...]
> 
> Should some distinction be made between the well-meaning but simply wrong and those with malicious intent?

I think so.

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#585492

On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 2:28:03 PM UTC-8, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 12/10/2022 11:51 AM, Dan Christensen wrote: 
> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:46:13 PM UTC-5, Volney wrote: 
> >> Many people score crank posts according to John Baez's Crackpot Index 
> >> (https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html). But it's almost a 
> >> quarter century old. I've been thinking of updating it, since cranks 
> >> have come up with many novel techniques since 1998 that are not listed. 
> >> For example, using crackpot-only words and phrases, for example 
> >> "Einsteinian" and "relativist", usually intended to insult scientists. 
> >> 
> >> Is this worth doing? 
> >> Should I take the existing crackpot index and simply add to it? 
> >> Should any of its original entries be changed, even if only the points? 
> >> Should I redo this in a completely different format? If so, suggestions? 
> >> Should point scores apply to individual posts or the poster overall? 
> >> 
> >> In any case, full credit will be given to Baez for the original.
> [...]
> > 
> > Should some distinction be made between the well-meaning but simply wrong and those with malicious intent?
> I think so.

No, that's a false dichotomy that is doublespeak of those who do wrongs 
then claim they have the right to do wrongs, wrong-wrongers.

Ignorance isn't a defense, and neither is insanity.

And neither is star-chamber, kangaroo-court, hillbilly-pilling, holier-than-thouing, 
second-classing, inequal-protectioning malfeasance, and their criminal coterie.

"Intent."

Take your crackers back to Portsmouth, redcoat filth.



P.S. "material, implication" is neither, and drinking alone is for alcoholics.

You drunk.




How about a nice candid polygraph, open book.

Share and share alike?  Fair and fair alike.



I spit on your perfidy and hypocrisy.

And most of all your ignorance:
  in your allusions, 
  that are delusions.

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#585498

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 5:14:06 AM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 2:28:03 PM UTC-8, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: 
> > On 12/10/2022 11:51 AM, Dan Christensen wrote: 
> > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:46:13 PM UTC-5, Volney wrote: 
> > >> Many people score crank posts according to John Baez's Crackpot Index 
> > >> (https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html). But it's almost a 
> > >> quarter century old. I've been thinking of updating it, since cranks 
> > >> have come up with many novel techniques since 1998 that are not listed. 
> > >> For example, using crackpot-only words and phrases, for example 
> > >> "Einsteinian" and "relativist", usually intended to insult scientists. 
> > >> 
> > >> Is this worth doing? 
> > >> Should I take the existing crackpot index and simply add to it? 
> > >> Should any of its original entries be changed, even if only the points? 
> > >> Should I redo this in a completely different format? If so, suggestions? 
> > >> Should point scores apply to individual posts or the poster overall? 
> > >> 
> > >> In any case, full credit will be given to Baez for the original. 
> > [...] 
> > > 
> > > Should some distinction be made between the well-meaning but simply wrong and those with malicious intent? 
> > I think so.
> No, that's a false dichotomy that is doublespeak of those who do wrongs 
> then claim they have the right to do wrongs, wrong-wrongers. 
> 
> Ignorance isn't a defense, and neither is insanity. 
> 
> And neither is star-chamber, kangaroo-court, hillbilly-pilling, holier-than-thouing, 
> second-classing, inequal-protectioning malfeasance, and their criminal coterie. 
> 
> "Intent." 
> 
> Take your crackers back to Portsmouth, redcoat filth. 
> 
> 
> 
> P.S. "material, implication" is neither, and drinking alone is for alcoholics. 
> 
> You drunk. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> How about a nice candid polygraph, open book. 
> 
> Share and share alike? Fair and fair alike. 
> 
> 
> 
> I spit on your perfidy and hypocrisy. 
> 
> And most of all your ignorance: 
> in your allusions, 
> that are delusions.


I prove Cantor proves Zeno proves
the line is drawn.

You can too, and if you knew, should.

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#585460

On 12/10/2022 2:51 PM, Dan Christensen wrote:
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:46:13 PM UTC-5, Volney wrote:
>> Many people score crank posts according to John Baez's Crackpot Index
>> (https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html). But it's almost a
>> quarter century old. I've been thinking of updating it, since cranks
>> have come up with many novel techniques since 1998 that are not listed.
>> For example, using crackpot-only words and phrases, for example
>> "Einsteinian" and "relativist", usually intended to insult scientists.
>>
>> Is this worth doing?
>> Should I take the existing crackpot index and simply add to it?
>> Should any of its original entries be changed, even if only the points?
>> Should I redo this in a completely different format? If so, suggestions?
>> Should point scores apply to individual posts or the poster overall?
>>
>> In any case, full credit will be given to Baez for the original.
>>
>>
>> Do you have suggestions for added entries, plus point scores for each?
>>
>> Example additions, exact phrasing and points not yet determined:
>>
>> People who agree with an argument promoted by an expert are "worshiping"
>> him, are brainwashed, indoctrinated, or are parrots.
>>
>> Silence is consent: "I notice that there are no comments on my
>> manifesto. That means that you all agree with it!"
>>
>> "Physics is a religion/cult!"
>>
>> References to things like "Old Biology" (textbook standard biology) and
>> "New Biology" (the crank's version of biology including bizarre changes,
>> the crank believes his version is or will be accepted)
>>
>> Expand Baez's Item #21: "I won a Nobel Prize for my discovery" when they
>> didn't.
>> Less delusional: "I should have won a Nobel Prize for my discovery."
>> Sour grapes: "The Nobel Prize is worthless"/"the committee awarding it
>> is corrupt", etc. because they didn't win a Nobel.
>> "I was offered the Nobel Prize but I turned it down because it's worthless."
>>
>>
>> I want to keep this generic, otherwise it may become relativity/Einstein
>> specific or creationism specific. Also certain behavior unique to only
>> one crank probably shouldn't be included.
>>
>> I set followups to sci.physics.
> 
> Should some distinction be made between the well-meaning but simply wrong and those with malicious intent?
> 
That's more of an issue of to whom the index is applied. For example, 
our nymshifter is deliberately trolling, not a crackpot, so I won't be 
adding its techniques. (on the other hand, it supports Putler's 
genocidal war. THAT'S insane!)

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#585464

On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 5:45:58 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 12/10/2022 2:51 PM, Dan Christensen wrote: 
> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:46:13 PM UTC-5, Volney wrote: 
> >> Many people score crank posts according to John Baez's Crackpot Index 
> >> (https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html). But it's almost a 
> >> quarter century old. I've been thinking of updating it, since cranks 
> >> have come up with many novel techniques since 1998 that are not listed. 
> >> For example, using crackpot-only words and phrases, for example 
> >> "Einsteinian" and "relativist", usually intended to insult scientists. 
> >> 
> >> Is this worth doing? 
> >> Should I take the existing crackpot index and simply add to it? 
> >> Should any of its original entries be changed, even if only the points? 
> >> Should I redo this in a completely different format? If so, suggestions? 
> >> Should point scores apply to individual posts or the poster overall? 
> >> 
> >> In any case, full credit will be given to Baez for the original. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Do you have suggestions for added entries, plus point scores for each? 
> >> 
> >> Example additions, exact phrasing and points not yet determined: 
> >> 
> >> People who agree with an argument promoted by an expert are "worshiping" 
> >> him, are brainwashed, indoctrinated, or are parrots. 
> >> 
> >> Silence is consent: "I notice that there are no comments on my 
> >> manifesto. That means that you all agree with it!" 
> >> 
> >> "Physics is a religion/cult!" 
> >> 
> >> References to things like "Old Biology" (textbook standard biology) and 
> >> "New Biology" (the crank's version of biology including bizarre changes, 
> >> the crank believes his version is or will be accepted) 
> >> 
> >> Expand Baez's Item #21: "I won a Nobel Prize for my discovery" when they 
> >> didn't. 
> >> Less delusional: "I should have won a Nobel Prize for my discovery." 
> >> Sour grapes: "The Nobel Prize is worthless"/"the committee awarding it 
> >> is corrupt", etc. because they didn't win a Nobel. 
> >> "I was offered the Nobel Prize but I turned it down because it's worthless." 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I want to keep this generic, otherwise it may become relativity/Einstein 
> >> specific or creationism specific. Also certain behavior unique to only 
> >> one crank probably shouldn't be included. 
> >> 
> >> I set followups to sci.physics. 
> > 
> > Should some distinction be made between the well-meaning but simply wrong and those with malicious intent? 
> >
> That's more of an issue of to whom the index is applied. For example, 
> our nymshifter is deliberately trolling, not a crackpot, so I won't be 
> adding its techniques. (on the other hand, it supports Putler's 
> genocidal war. THAT'S insane!)

I wasn't thinking so much of these paid Russian Nazi trolls. They will go away when their paychecks stop or they get conscripted as canon fodder. I was thinking of the long-term math trolls here who seem to be knowingly misinforming inexperienced readers here on mathematical topics for their kicks or other darker motives.

Dan

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#585465

Dan Christensen wrote:

> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 5:45:58 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney
>> That's more of an issue of to whom the index is applied. For example,
>> our nymshifter is deliberately trolling, not a crackpot, so I won't be
>> adding its techniques. (on the other hand, it supports Putler's
>> genocidal war. THAT'S insane!)
> 
> I wasn't thinking so much of these paid Russian Nazi trolls. They will
> go

read this paper, you stinking lying nazis. You are putrid. A deplorable 
excuse for a subhuman excrement. Proofs, idiot. They are coming to clean 
cacanada from the nazis. Expect them. They do not forget. They do not 
forgive. You are killing children, you nazi putrid excrement.

Azov Battalion Chief Ideologist Claims They Don't Use Nazi Symbols
https://%62%69%74%63%68%75%74%65.com/%76%69%64%65%6f/SOmdOOB41b03

remember, cacanada has to be cleaned from the nazis. You infected uKraina 
with nazis and genocide since 2014. It stays in the history books, you 
indolent impertinent nazi.

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#585575

Volney wrote:

> On 12/10/2022 9:41 PM, patdolan wrote:
> "Silence is concent."  I'm thinking 25 points for that.
> 
> I'm not sure yet whether the "If you don't comment on my kookposts, you
> must agree with them" and "Waah! They don't comment on my kookposts!"
> posts counts once or twice.

what is america? they are *gays_in_a_helicopter*, that's what america is. 
The corrupt capitalist govern- *ment* are fooling gays with helicopters in 
movies, and the fools, sleeping on streets, are going into military, 
thinking *hey,_they_are_giving_me_a_helicopter*. What they get, is a 
*vaccine*, because are gays, and may not reproduce. You go to doctor in 
america, when you want to reproduce.

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#586013

On 12/8/2022 2:46 PM, Volney wrote:

Several proposed additions to John Baez's Crackpot Index.
(I have not yet decided whether to add to his excellent list or rewrite 
it. For now treat these as additions)

38. X points for stating people who agree with a theory promoted by an 
expert are "worshiping" him.
Or stating "Physics is a religion/cult!"

39. X points for Silence is consent: "I notice that there are no 
comments on my
manifesto. That means that you all agree with it!"
Or the opposite: Whining that nobody is taking their "manifesto" seriously.

40. References to things like "Old Biology" (textbook standard biology) and
"New Biology" (the crank's version of biology including bizarre changes,
the crank believes his version is or will be accepted)

21. Expand Baez's Item #21: "I won a Nobel Prize for my discovery" when 
they didn't.
"I was offered the Nobel Prize but I turned it down because it's worthless."
Less delusional, fewer points: "I should have won a Nobel Prize for my 
discovery."
Sour grapes  because they didn't win a Nobel: "The Nobel Prize is 
worthless"/
"the committee awarding it is corrupt", etc.
Bonus points for claiming multiple Nobel Prizes.

41. Claiming 'One day my work will be discovered by "cyber 
archeologists" studying the dawning of the Information Age' by digging 
through Usenet posts or Google archives.
Bonus points for references to extraterrestrial aliens.
Bonus points for creating a physical book which will eventually be 
discovered and appreciated.

42. X points for each new "theory" depending on one of their previous 
unproven "theories" treated as being factual.

43. X points for refusal to engage in a discussion of the theory. 2X for 
launching ad hominem attacks against the engaging person instead.

44. X points for ignoring or refusing to work out a science textbook 
style example problem where, for example, numbers are plugged into a 
formula to get some value.
(for example, if a falling object falls at a speed of v=gt, what speed 
is it falling after t=5 seconds)

45. X points for stating experts merely repeat what they were told, 
brainwashed, indoctrinated, or are parrots. The mere fact that
experts agree on X (simply because X happens to be true) means that they
"parrot" one another.

46. Using crackpot-only words or phrases, usually intended as an insult.
Classic examples: "Einsteinian" and "relativist".

47. Rejection of data provided or experiments that require sophisticated 
data analysis. Likely because they don't understand the problem in the 
first place.

48. Megalomaniac/Narcissistic personality disorder claims such as "I was
chosen by God/the gods" or "I am a demigod" or "I am smarter than all 
the experts in the field, past and present"
Textbook Dunning-Kruger Effect.

49. X points for each reference to an unproven or disproven conspiracy 
theory. 2X points for stating the conspirators are out to get them or 
are a victim of the conspiracy.

50. X points for claiming their theory is a fact or "proven" when in 
science theories can only be disproven.

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#586017

Maciej Wozniak wrote:

> On Sunday, 18 December 2022 at 20:53:04 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
>> On 12/8/2022 2:46 PM, Volney wrote:
>> 
>> Several proposed additions to J̶o̶h̶n̶ B̶a̶e̶z's̶ C̶r̶a̶c̶k̶p̶o̶t̶ I̶n̶d̶e̶x̶.
>> (I have not yet decided whether to add to h̶i̶s̶ e̶x̶c̶e̶l̶l̶e̶n̶t̶ l̶i̶s̶t̶ or rewrite
>> it. For now treat these as additions)
> 
> And how much would you give for insisting that adjusting a clock to your
> ISO idiocy means putting it into some "Newton mode"?

barijnia pizdu Mockba

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#586356

Am 18.12.2022 um 20:53 schrieb Volney:
> On 12/8/2022 2:46 PM, Volney wrote:
>
> Several proposed additions to John Baez's Crackpot Index.
> (I have not yet decided whether to add to his excellent list or rewrite
> it. For now treat these as additions)


> 38. X points for stating people who agree with a theory promoted by an
> expert are "worshiping" him.
> Or stating "Physics is a religion/cult!"


Your method is wrong to begin with, because you should not plug in, what 
you try to find out.

Here your 'error' is, that you consider certain topics as 'crackpottery'.

But before you could possibly do that, a discussion of the validity of 
your claim is required.

For instance: here you need to discuss the question first, whether 
physicst build a sect or cult prior to claiming, that mentioning this is 
'crackpottery'.

But it is very difficult to proove impossibility and the absense of 
something hidden (like secret cults, for instance).

Such open questions are therefore not settled by your decision to place 
them in such a list. And other solutions are also difficult, because 
secret cults are actually hidden.


...

TH

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